Just like I realize that not bending over backwards isn't the same as abuse. I'm just saying that the stereotypical nice guy approach will do you no favors. Unless you want the stereotypical nice girl and who really wants that?

Oh, I realize that there are shades of grey. Several, in fact. I'm also not doubting that there are women out there who want abuse. It's sad, but likely true.

It takes all types, no two people are the same. What may be one woman's "style" may not be another's. Taking this into account, there cannot be correct statements made for the general populace such as "all women prefer [blank]." I have known dominant women, I have known submissive women. Women who truly prefer jack-a**es and women who prefer someone chivalrous. This is why it's so important to actually listen, even if it's not face to face.

That, and it doesn't help to know the type you're looking for. If you're a guy looking for a women who is more caring, then don't waste time on girls who want you to treat them like crap.

Im a female and unfortunately this comment is pretty much on the mark with general population. Sorry to say chickys but whether u wanna admit it or not..fact of matter is majority of women want a man thats dominant and u dont get a dominant nice man. There just no such thing!!Woman that r with a "nice male" generally end up cheating or leaving sooner than when they r with an AHOLE.sorry but true :)

I'm sorry, but how is making an assumption of your personality and preference based on statements you've made and likely elements from your profile sexist?

I agree that women are lucky that sex is a huge motivation for men to do things for them. Without sex driving us, women would have to buy men drinks.

Its your choice to be with the women sporting the qualities you describe. I have never found it complimentary when men dis women then say that I am the exception. If you truly knew the mind of these women in their 20's, you would be with one.

since I am one, I can assure you that you are mistaken. I know what I respect and what I do not.

Thats not 'women dont like nice guys', thats 'you have experience with abusive women looking for pushovers'. Nice does not equal pushover ol' bean.

Men arent known for saying anything about their thoughts. I dont think folks are 'hung up' on pc. I think they just dont want to offend people. Praps that is not always useful, however.

Exactly. So who told you nice=pushover. I think you solved your own misconception.

Hmm.. I can appreciate sarcasm and satire, but I find that simply listening works wonders.

Now if only I could do something about my damnable memory :/

enlighten me.

I think I can promise you that your perception of nice and the typical womans perception of nice are askew.

So, you're happy there?
At the ends of the earth with the cheater?
Way to go.