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Topic: The disease of Addiction.
jonlaw's photo
Thu 01/17/08 04:14 PM
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Concur; my actions in the beginning were absolutely my own. In the middle and the end....not so much.

My true self would never commit armed robbery. I would never hit someone with my car. I would never kidnap and tape and tie another.
In my own mind I would never hire someone to injure another.
In my own mind, I would never try and kill myself.
Under the influence of drugs.....anything can happen. And usually does.

As I have said....my story is long and shameful. And a mind that hasn't been deadened...will never place themselves in predicaments that I have. The drugs will and do kill our humanity. So much so...that I did not recognize myself.

Kat
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Oh the things we done while in our disease is not who we are its just the things we did. I am grateful for people like you who share their stories in order to contribute thanks:smile:

jonlaw's photo
Thu 01/17/08 04:18 PM

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Define death differently from either and then maybe we'll talk......


lemme just go to the hospital and get those cancer patients in a self help program laugh
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I don,t know anything about your story other than what you post here and from this post well ...I,m stuck for wordsembarassed

jonlaw's photo
Thu 01/17/08 04:20 PM

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Addiction can take many forms.. Some are even addicted to self.

Nice point, doc.

jonlaw, keep it rollin, this thread is depicting reality. You all are maintaining equilibrium, quite inspiring y'all!
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thank you for being here and your support that means alotflowerforyou

jonlaw's photo
Thu 01/17/08 04:24 PM
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cancer is a disease, are you all seriously telling me that alcoholism and drug addiction are on the same field as cancer?

in my eyes, and the eyes of many, you are hurting your own cause by speaking as if it were.
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I can not see that in the eyes of many do you actually believe your own bull**** laugh laugh laugh

no photo
Thu 01/17/08 04:24 PM
God Bless all those who have had addictions, or still do, and work with it continually. Keep up the great work! Although I've never been a drug addict, my major partying days of drinking are over. It's a choice that I made at the start of this year. Life has more to offer than that.

jonlaw's photo
Thu 01/17/08 04:27 PM
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listen... i'm not at all trying to lessen you lot's victory over addiction. if anything, my way of thinking is better imo. you were responsible for your addictions and your actions just as you are now. you have beaten something that's hard. you yourself and noone else. you've shown that you have the strength to overcome.

don't cheapen it by saying it was anything but you
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Fact is we are not responsible for our diease, however we are responsible for our own recovery.

toastedoranges's photo
Thu 01/17/08 04:28 PM
I can not see that in the eyes of many do you actually believe your own bull**** laugh laugh laugh


and you, your's?

it's good that you're better, but you're using a crutch. deal with your life and your issues as your own doing, your life is your own and noone else's

jonlaw's photo
Thu 01/17/08 04:29 PM



ha, you telling me to stfu? lol


STFU????
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shut the .... up
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That was lame

toastedoranges's photo
Thu 01/17/08 04:31 PM
That was lame


come now, don't let me get up your butt. i am not the creator of the abreviation, i was merely asking if that's what she was meaning

Winx's photo
Thu 01/17/08 04:33 PM




Define death differently from either and then maybe we'll talk......


lemme just go to the hospital and get those cancer patients in a self help program laugh


There is a book called the DSM - Diagnositic Statistical Manual.
It is the tool by which Dr.'s and insurance companies get their diagnosis. It lists all the diseases. Addiction is a disease in that book.




aint is in the dictionary



Ain't is an informal/slang word in a book about words that are spoken by people.

The Diagnostic Statistical Manual is a book of diagnoses that were researched heavily by the medical community.

Comparing those two books is like comparing apples and oranges.

toastedoranges's photo
Thu 01/17/08 04:34 PM
Ain't is an informal/slang word in a book about words that are spoken by people.

The Diagnostic Statistical Manual is a book of diagnoses that were researched heavily by the medical community.

Comparing those two books is like comparing apples and oranges.


homosexuality was once considered a phsychological disorder and was documented to be so, does that mean that it is?

feralcatlady's photo
Thu 01/17/08 04:37 PM
thanks for the share scttrbrain......I just love and respect you more.....didn't think possible....but it is.


jonlaw's photo
Thu 01/17/08 04:37 PM
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Isn't it amazing what can come from jail?

THE LIFE
This is the life, if you don't say "nope" and you've dedicated you're life to dope.
Whether you snort, slam or smoke a glass dic. You've sold you're soul to something really SICK.
You don't notice, but you're life will change. You'll become scarey, and something strange.
People offer you food, thinking of you're condition.
They see you all torn up from malnutrition.
Once again you pass the food on the table, and go to another issue, for now you are able.
You spin around town thinking you are cool.
Puck what they think, you're nobody's fool.
But one by one, people leave you alone.
Their starting to see the monster you've grown.
First it's you're friends, you're kids, you're husband or wife............ you're convinced you
don't need them trashing you're life.
Then one day you realize they are all part of a conspiracy.
You shake that thought and do another blast.
Thinking and wondering, how long will this last?
What once was days now have no length.
You're habits roll on growing in strength.
Now you get a brainstorm and think you should deal.
Now---------The Sheit just took a turn.
You've jumped into the fire and started to burn.
At first you're shaken and taken, and treated like a lame.
But before long you're hip to the game.
First thing you realize and this is a must. Is that you are the only only one that you can trust.
Now all you're time is spent making rounds.
First quarters, grams, then ounces and pounds.
Now on to the last chapter of the book.
Ha! You decide you're gonna be a cook.
You know in you're heart it's gonna be trouble.
Sitting in the lab watching the bubble.
Now things in the life are too freaking intense.
You think what happened? It doesnt make sense.
Then one night you're sitting and minding the store.
When 16 punk cops come crashing through the door!
They slam you down with their feet in you're chest.
And say "Hello stupid" You're under arrest!
You know it's all over when you get to court.
There's 15 informants on you're report.
While you walk the yard you have time to reflect, on how your life has become so wrecked.
Then suddenly you have flashes like a neon sign..........hey there brother, want another line?
Suddenly you realize in a world of strife.
The price is heavy for living " the life"


Kat
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Wow that is powerfull I just do not know what to say it speaks for itself. Thank You for the privledge of your experince.

jonlaw's photo
Thu 01/17/08 05:10 PM

Just stopping by to give Jon a huge hug......Thanks for the vent yesterday it did a world of good......It amazes me how the Lord knows exactly when you need something and in your path it goes.

Thanks
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Thank -you we all helped eachother and I repect your story and value your input I will remember your brother in my prayers.

Everyone one here has helped me remain clean and sober one more day.

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Totage's photo
Thu 01/17/08 05:17 PM


Just stopping by to give Jon a huge hug......Thanks for the vent yesterday it did a world of good......It amazes me how the Lord knows exactly when you need something and in your path it goes.

Thanks
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Thank -you we all helped eachother and I repect your story and value your input I will remember your brother in my prayers.

Everyone one here has helped me remain clean and sober one more day.

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That's the key to it, take it one day at a time. Don't worry about if you're going to go back, just take it one step at a time, and you'll get through it.

feralcatlady's photo
Thu 01/17/08 07:26 PM
Kisses totage....

and thanks everyone......it really did make it easier to cope and like I said....God always lays you in the path of exactly what you need, exactly when you need it.

God Bless everyone in this room.....


Dear Lord.....Give them strength when it is needed, courage to face each day as a new and wonderful day, wisdom to show them always the path for them. And most of all Lord God....wrap your loving arms around each and everyone......so that the spirit of You shines through each one....In your mighty name this I pray Amen....and the people said AMEN.....

Winx's photo
Thu 01/17/08 08:32 PM
Amen.

scttrbrain's photo
Thu 01/17/08 08:58 PM

thanks for the share scttrbrain......I just love and respect you more.....didn't think possible....but it is.





Feral; it was just another stepping stone in my life. It lead me to where I am today. No money, barely a job, (hard to get a good one with felonies), but....you know what? I am a better person for it. I know so much more about what not to do now.

If I could change any of it...I am not sure which it would be. Because quite simply; I like me now. That person became me.

Katflowerforyou

jonlaw's photo
Thu 01/17/08 09:16 PM
Hi Everyone.

Thank you all for your experiece, strength, and hope I feel like I know alot of you personally this means alot to me.

I feel most of us agree that addiction is a disease a few naysayers but most agree. This disease destroys our whole being.the physical,emotional, mental, and the spiritual. The physical is our health,emotional is how we feel, mental is how we think and spiritual is our connection to God as we understand Him. These are all interconnected ie if we are sound mentally then we will feel good (emotional)if we feel good emotionally then we are feeling good spiritually all of this equals a balanced life.


I forgot to add is the primary disease of addiction leads to alot of secondary diseases ie liver disease,kidney failure heart disease,pancrious, korsacoffs disease(wet brain).And on it goes.

Now I would like to introduce one step a day and see the input of eachothers views on what it means to them and by the 12th day lets see how we feel. And please fel free to share on anything else.

Went to a meeting tonight and am tired so good nite and hope to see all tomorrow.

Love ya,shappy



scttrbrain's photo
Thu 01/17/08 09:56 PM
I can recite those 12 steps and traditions by heart. I did it all the time in meetings. As did many of us. It was a game of sorts to be able to do it.

Have a good night jon.

Kat

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