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Been clean & sober a little over 5 years here, nov. 7th 2002 marks the beggining of my clean time. I'm lucky enough that after a few months clean I was able to continue on my own. Unfortunatly most addicts or alchohalics cannot do so. People who try to beat addiction on their own usualy fail for lack of peer support and lack of tools for maintaining sobreighty, as the saying goes, insanity is doing the same thing over & over while expecting differant results. Of course, people who've never experianced severe addictions will never understand fully because they can't comprehend how our addictions made our choices for us. In the new season of the wire (on HBO), on the second episode it began with a scene of an NA meeting and the lady speaker of that scene summed it up well. She said she told herself she'd never trick, then after she was tricking she made new rules which she then implied went out the window as well. Followed up by saying setting these rules is only making a list of things you will do once your inner addict tells you to. And that's the reality of addiction and in my using days I too broke every rule I put in front of myself. God by my side I'll be sober again today, my name is Timothy and I AM an addict;^]
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" " Been clean & sober a little over 5 years here, nov. 7th 2002 marks the beggining of my clean time. I'm lucky enough that after a few months clean I was able to continue on my own. Unfortunatly most addicts or alchohalics cannot do so. People who try to beat addiction on their own usualy fail for lack of peer support and lack of tools for maintaining sobreighty, as the saying goes, insanity is doing the same thing over & over while expecting differant results. Of course, people who've never experianced severe addictions will never understand fully because they can't comprehend how our addictions made our choices for us. In the new season of the wire (on HBO), on the second episode it began with a scene of an NA meeting and the lady speaker of that scene summed it up well. She said she told herself she'd never trick, then after she was tricking she made new rules which she then implied went out the window as well. Followed up by saying setting these rules is only making a list of things you will do once your inner addict tells you to. And that's the reality of addiction and in my using days I too broke every rule I put in front of myself. God by my side I'll be sober again today, my name is Timothy and I AM an addict;^] Wonderful share and congrats on your clean time. Ya I always had standards also just when I drank or drugged I would lower them thats all lol. I hope you will keep dropping in even if its just to say hi. I don,t know where this thread is going,but I feel it can be useful to the still suffering addict/alcoholic or whatever addictions one might have. There is even non addicts offering to help others and that is so cool. Anyway nice to meet you Timoth my name is Brian and I to am a addict. Your Brother in Recovery. Brian 
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Funches, An addiction usually develops over time. So it's easy not to notice at first. But as the problem grows, the chances of losing everything important multiplies. No one plans to be addicted and no plans to lose his or her family, friends, job, health, and self-respect - but it can happen. No one plans to die from it - but it can happen. no matter how you spin it...it all comes down to making a choice ..if one becomes unknowningly or unwillingly addicted and once realizing they are addicted and then make the choice to remain addicted then one can make the choice to no longer be addicted ...addiction starts off as being a way to feel good or better but turns into a philosophy as to how to never feel bad in life again people can live with addiction maybe they have to take medication for an injury or illiness but yet they make the decision not to abuse their medication ..to abuse something to the point that it interfer with or ruins ones life then it's obvious that there is something else going on within the person and they are using the addiction to mask the underlining problems ..but either way it's a choice to act or not act and really has nothing to do with God unless one wish to blame God for creating the situation that may have cause the addiction |
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Thanks jonlaw, it's always good to see the strength of us together in these threads. Wishing you all a happy lifetime of sobreighty;^]
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Funches, your lack of education in NA is very obvious. First off, once an addict always an addict, the differance is abstinence from the substance. And the saying in NA is nothing about "never feeling bad again", the philosophy is actualy that it gets harder without our crutch aka problem drug, which is one of the reasons peer support is so important.
Praise God for sending my PO to lock me up, my addiction would have killed me otherwise;^] |
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" " Funches, your lack of education in NA is very obvious. First off, once an addict always an addict, the differance is abstinence from the substance. And the saying in NA is nothing about "never feeling bad again", the philosophy is actualy that it gets harder without our crutch aka problem drug, which is one of the reasons peer support is so important. Praise God for sending my PO to lock me up, my addiction would have killed me otherwise;^] That about sums it up I 2 was locked up ,but have ben out since 1986 up to that I had did close to 12 years in and out I call it life on the layaway plan lol. My last was 5and a half years. I have been in and out of the program ever since but they always said "keep comming back" and here I am I will share more of my story as this thread evolves. I just love alcoholics and addicts once we clean up there is a bond that only God could create. Again thak-you for being here my friend. |
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Winx
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Thu 01/17/08 08:23 AM
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Funches kinda hit on something..other demons there and that's about as far as I'll agree with him on anything.lol come on tomie...you only agreed with me because I said they had Demons in them ..but I didn't mean real Demons I meant the fake Demons ...like past memories [/quote[ Past memories, guilt, remorse, depression, mental illness, anxieties, and post traumatic stress disorder are all REAL demons of the mind. Please read a pyschology book or take some pyschology classes. |
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" " Funches, your lack of education in NA is very obvious. First off, once an addict always an addict, the differance is abstinence from the substance. And the saying in NA is nothing about "never feeling bad again", the philosophy is actualy that it gets harder without our crutch aka problem drug, which is one of the reasons peer support is so important. Praise God for sending my PO to lock me up, my addiction would have killed me otherwise;^] That about sums it up I 2 was locked up ,but have ben out since 1986 up to that I had did close to 12 years in and out I call it life on the layaway plan lol. My last was 5and a half years. I have been in and out of the program ever since but they always said "keep comming back" and here I am I will share more of my story as this thread evolves. I just love alcoholics and addicts once we clean up there is a bond that only God could create. Again thak-you for being here my friend. No prob, it works if ya work it;^] |
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Funches, your lack of education in NA is very obvious. First off, once an addict always an addict, the differance is abstinence from the substance. And the saying in NA is nothing about "never feeling bad again", the philosophy is actualy that it gets harder without our crutch aka problem drug, which is one of the reasons peer support is so important. Praise God for sending my PO to lock me up, my addiction would have killed me otherwise;^] or maybe I educated myself about myself to care about myself and learn enough not to let myself abuse myself and therefore take responsibility for myself and not willing to blame anything or anyone else but myself .. once an addict always an addict? that statement is self-defeating ..and an indication you will forever lack control over yourself |
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To believe nothing can have power over you is self defeat, because it's not true. In NA there is an emphasis of taking responsibility for your actions, there's no blame only cold hard reality. Sooooo, if you want to keep talking about something you know nothing about, admittatly I might add, go right ahead. I suggest the rest of us just ignore him, we choose to ask for help and reach out to help eachother, this is afterall about us & our recovery not funches and his uneducated opinions;^]
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Funches kinda hit on something..other demons there and that's about as far as I'll agree with him on anything.lol come on tomie...you only agreed with me because I said they had Demons in them ..but I didn't mean real Demons I meant the fake Demons ...like past memories Past memories, guilt, remorse, depression, mental illness, anxieties, and post traumatic stress disorder are all REAL demons of the mind. Please read a pyschology book or take some pyschology classes. well Winx..one really doesn't need to read a psychology book to know that past memories are not actual Demons or enitites..they are circumstance happenstance commonly known as sh_t happens |
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DAILY REFLECTIONS. Jan. 17 2008
HAPPINESS COMES QUIETLY. The trouble with us alcoholics was this; We demanded that the world give us happiness and peace of mind in just the paticular order we wanted to get it-- by the alcohol route. And we wern,t successful. But when we take time to find out some of the spiritual laws, and familiarize ourselves with them and put them into practice ,then we do get happiness and peace of mind...There seem to be some rules that we have to follow,but happiness and peace of mind are always here, open and free to anyone. " Dr Bob and the goodoldtimers p. 308 The simplicity of the AA program teaches me that happiness isn,t something I can demand. It comes upon me quietly, while I serve others. In offering a hand to the newcommer or to someone who has relapsed, I find that my own sobriety has been recharged with indescribable gratitude and happiness. |
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I suggest the rest of us just ignore him, how rude .. now I know how Glenn Close felt in the movie "Fatal Attraction" ..well that movie title does kind of explains this thread as usual a christian tries to think for everyone and tell them to ignore someonme just because that people disagree with their belief ..this is a forum where issues are discuss and debated ..isn't that how you stayed in an addiction because you didn't think you should listen to anything or anyone but your addiction ..so you're still being closed minded |
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aawwwww funches behave yourself.....
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aawwwww funches behave yourself..... no problem...they just ex-communicated me ... |
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Addiction can take many forms.. Some are even addicted to self.
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" " I suggest the rest of us just ignore him, how rude .. now I know how Glenn Close felt in the movie "Fatal Attraction" ..well that movie title does kind of explains this thread as usual a christian tries to think for everyone and tell them to ignore someonme just because that people disagree with their belief ..this is a forum where issues are discuss and debated ..isn't that how you stayed in an addiction because you didn't think you should listen to anything or anyone but your addiction ..so you're still being closed minded Wow I never expected this, as this was suppose to a helping and sharing thread and it still going to be. Funches why do you insist on spreading negativity I mean look at all your entries its all about you. There is something I am close minded about and thats the way I choose to recover. This thread is not all about Christians or anyones spiritual beliefs ,its about people helping people. I fail to see where you have tried to help anyone but yourself and selfishnes is what addicts and alcoholics try and avoid. Please try and keep this thread positive as a human being. |
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Addiction can take many forms.. Some are even addicted to self. that's called self-preservation ..it's usually the first requirement of oneself ...er...well it suppose to be |
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" " I suggest the rest of us just ignore him, how rude .. now I know how Glenn Close felt in the movie "Fatal Attraction" ..well that movie title does kind of explains this thread as usual a christian tries to think for everyone and tell them to ignore someonme just because that people disagree with their belief ..this is a forum where issues are discuss and debated ..isn't that how you stayed in an addiction because you didn't think you should listen to anything or anyone but your addiction ..so you're still being closed minded Wow I never expected this, as this was suppose to a helping and sharing thread and it still going to be. Funches why do you insist on spreading negativity I mean look at all your entries its all about you. There is something I am close minded about and thats the way I choose to recover. This thread is not all about Christians or anyones spiritual beliefs ,its about people helping people. I fail to see where you have tried to help anyone but yourself and selfishnes is what addicts and alcoholics try and avoid. Please try and keep this thread positive as a human being. Exactly, which is why I'm saying to ignore him. If somebody who never learned about government started talking about checks & balances we'd ignore them, same here. One who's uneducated about NA and AA has no valid opinion because they don't know how it works, much less about what it teaches;^] |
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Thanks Turlepoet
I am off to a few appointment will be back on later on. Have yourself a good day and I feel as I have made a new friend today. " Keep your Faith' and your " Faith will keep You'. Later.
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