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Topic: The disease of Addiction.
jonlaw's photo
Wed 01/16/08 11:38 AM
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There is the 12-step way and the cognitive therapy way. Whatever works!
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I totally agree with you.

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Wed 01/16/08 11:44 AM
the first and only step should be to stop using it

Differentkindofwench's photo
Wed 01/16/08 11:59 AM
Have you ever been addicted to anything funches?

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Wed 01/16/08 12:05 PM

Have you ever been addicted to anything funches?


to eating food and drinking water in order to live

jonlaw's photo
Wed 01/16/08 12:29 PM
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the first and only step should be to stop using it

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I am not going to tell you how you do or if,however there is more to addiction than just the using its a inside job my friend and a person has got to deal with that.

Its also about helping others giving away freely what was freely given to me.

Winx's photo
Wed 01/16/08 12:45 PM


Have you ever been addicted to anything funches?


to eating food and drinking water in order to live


An addict's re-wired brain tells them that they need drugs to live.

feralcatlady's photo
Wed 01/16/08 03:14 PM
Edited by feralcatlady on Wed 01/16/08 03:54 PM
I am going through this right now. My brother is an alcoholic and I moved him from San Diego in October. This last Monday his landlady called the police as he was so drunk and out of control. I tried to get him to go to detox and into a 12-step.....and he said no....And as anyone who has gone through this knows.....It has to be a decision the addict makes...you cannot make it for them. Now this is Wednesday and He is in a hotel drunk. I finally went over their and told him...ok I see you have made your choice....and left.

I will not have anything to do with him...as hard as that is.....

I found my father dead on his living room rug.....so drunk he had fallen on a lamp and bled out.....and died.

My sister died at 18 in an accident, where she to was drunk. And my mom at 50.....so this is something I am not only very familiar with....but also have broken the cycle as far as my family by the grace of God.....


feralcatlady's photo
Wed 01/16/08 03:53 PM


Have you ever been addicted to anything funches?


to eating food and drinking water in order to live


Once again funches you speak about something you know nothing of.......As much as I wish it were true that people could just say.....hey I am not going to be an addict today....it just doesn't work like that...Just as it doesn't work that they wake up in the morning and say, "Hey beautiful day I think I will become an addict."

Milesoftheusa's photo
Wed 01/16/08 03:59 PM
Shalom Jonlaw.

yahweh does things in his timing. You or we do not know that Yahweh allowed what happened to you for a greater good. It sounds you found it in your heart to help others.. it reminds me of Romans 8:28

Rom 8:28-30

28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love Elohim, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
NKJV


May Your Work Continue To Glorify Yahweh....Blessings..Miles

jonlaw's photo
Wed 01/16/08 04:05 PM
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I am going through this right now. My brother is an alcoholic and I moved him from San Diego in October. This last Monday his landlady called the police as he was so drunk and out of control. I tried to get him to go to detox and into a 12-step.....and he said no....And as anyone who has gone through this knows.....It has to be a decision the addict makes...you cannot make it for them. Now this is Wednesday and He is in a hotel drunk. I finally went over their and told him...ok I see you have made your choice....and left.

I will not have anything to do with him...as hard as that is.....

I found my father dead on his living room rug.....so drunk he had fallen on a lamp and bled out.....and died.

My sister died at 18 in an accident, where she to was drunk. And my mom at 50.....so this is something I am not only very familiar with....but also have broken the cycle as far as my family by the grace of God.....


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I must say your post has touched my heart, and yes you sure are not a stranger to this disease hun.

I do not know weather you know that there is help for people that this disease has touched from others drinking.

If there is anything I can do or say please e-mail me and again thank-you so mush for sharing it surley means the world to me.
flowerforyou

madamx7316's photo
Wed 01/16/08 04:05 PM
im very proud of you and continue in your journey. i am an addict. i have been clean 15 years and still live one day at a time.

feralcatlady's photo
Wed 01/16/08 04:07 PM
Thank you miles....I needed that right now......God Bless you.

feralcatlady's photo
Wed 01/16/08 04:11 PM

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I am going through this right now. My brother is an alcoholic and I moved him from San Diego in October. This last Monday his landlady called the police as he was so drunk and out of control. I tried to get him to go to detox and into a 12-step.....and he said no....And as anyone who has gone through this knows.....It has to be a decision the addict makes...you cannot make it for them. Now this is Wednesday and He is in a hotel drunk. I finally went over their and told him...ok I see you have made your choice....and left.

I will not have anything to do with him...as hard as that is.....

I found my father dead on his living room rug.....so drunk he had fallen on a lamp and bled out.....and died.

My sister died at 18 in an accident, where she to was drunk. And my mom at 50.....so this is something I am not only very familiar with....but also have broken the cycle as far as my family by the grace of God.....


"


I must say your post has touched my heart, and yes you sure are not a stranger to this disease hun.

I do not know weather you know that there is help for people that this disease has touched from others drinking.

If there is anything I can do or say please e-mail me and again thank-you so mush for sharing it surley means the world to me.
flowerforyou


thank you very much.....I teach and help others also....which truly helps me also. And I might just take you up on the e-mail. I know the Lord will never give me more then I can handle, and that it's not up to me for my brother to break this......I told him as I was leaving that his only hope is to get on his knees and give it to God.....thats all I can do at this point...And pray pray pray and then just when I think I can't do it anymore.....pray pray pray

Thanks jon.....I feel I have met a kindred spirit.

jonlaw's photo
Wed 01/16/08 04:58 PM


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I am going through this right now. My brother is an alcoholic and I moved him from San Diego in October. This last Monday his landlady called the police as he was so drunk and out of control. I tried to get him to go to detox and into a 12-step.....and he said no....And as anyone who has gone through this knows.....It has to be a decision the addict makes...you cannot make it for them. Now this is Wednesday and He is in a hotel drunk. I finally went over their and told him...ok I see you have made your choice....and left.

I will not have anything to do with him...as hard as that is.....

I found my father dead on his living room rug.....so drunk he had fallen on a lamp and bled out.....and died.

My sister died at 18 in an accident, where she to was drunk. And my mom at 50.....so this is something I am not only very familiar with....but also have broken the cycle as far as my family by the grace of God.....


"


I must say your post has touched my heart, and yes you sure are not a stranger to this disease hun.

I do not know weather you know that there is help for people that this disease has touched from others drinking.

If there is anything I can do or say please e-mail me and again thank-you so mush for sharing it surley means the world to me.
flowerforyou
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thank you very much.....I teach and help others also....which truly helps me also. And I might just take you up on the e-mail. I know the Lord will never give me more then I can handle, and that it's not up to me for my brother to break this......I told him as I was leaving that his only hope is to get on his knees and give it to God.....thats all I can do at this point...And pray pray pray and then just when I think I can't do it anymore.....pray pray pray

Thanks jon.....I feel I have met a kindred spirit.
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Oh I am so proud of you to keep your faith in such tradgedy and to help others God is sure using you as a instrument of His peace.

You desrve to be happy and I hope you will find it. For me God works through people and today I feel He has worked through you to help me so thank- you very much:smile:

no photo
Wed 01/16/08 05:06 PM



Have you ever been addicted to anything funches?


to eating food and drinking water in order to live


Once again funches you speak about something you know nothing of.......As much as I wish it were true that people could just say.....hey I am not going to be an addict today....it just doesn't work like that...Just as it doesn't work that they wake up in the morning and say, "Hey beautiful day I think I will become an addict."


you just said yourself that you can't help anyone unless they make the decision to stop ...no matter how much you warn people that something is addictive they may make the decision to do it anyway ...I notice in here that people always saying you have free choice well use it and make the choice to stop ..

feralcatlady's photo
Wed 01/16/08 05:17 PM




Have you ever been addicted to anything funches?


to eating food and drinking water in order to live


Once again funches you speak about something you know nothing of.......As much as I wish it were true that people could just say.....hey I am not going to be an addict today....it just doesn't work like that...Just as it doesn't work that they wake up in the morning and say, "Hey beautiful day I think I will become an addict."


you just said yourself that you can't help anyone unless they make the decision to stop ...no matter how much you warn people that something is addictive they may make the decision to do it anyway ...I notice in here that people always saying you have free choice well use it and make the choice to stop ..


It's just not that easy.......I wish it were fuches......I wish I could wiggle my cute lil nose and it would be done....but thats about as realistic as what your saying.

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Wed 01/16/08 05:21 PM

It's just not that easy.......I wish it were fuches......I wish I could wiggle my cute lil nose and it would be done....but thats about as realistic as what your saying.


but eventually it was your decision..what difference does it make if it took I second or twenty years it all comes down to making that decision to stop

feralcatlady's photo
Wed 01/16/08 05:30 PM
It does in a sense....but the control of the addiction is much stronger then the free will to stop. People as you may or may not know will loose everything to choose the addiction.....My brother chose it over me....the only person he has in this world.....what does that say to you funches?

feralcatlady's photo
Wed 01/16/08 05:35 PM



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I am going through this right now. My brother is an alcoholic and I moved him from San Diego in October. This last Monday his landlady called the police as he was so drunk and out of control. I tried to get him to go to detox and into a 12-step.....and he said no....And as anyone who has gone through this knows.....It has to be a decision the addict makes...you cannot make it for them. Now this is Wednesday and He is in a hotel drunk. I finally went over their and told him...ok I see you have made your choice....and left.

I will not have anything to do with him...as hard as that is.....

I found my father dead on his living room rug.....so drunk he had fallen on a lamp and bled out.....and died.

My sister died at 18 in an accident, where she to was drunk. And my mom at 50.....so this is something I am not only very familiar with....but also have broken the cycle as far as my family by the grace of God.....


"


I must say your post has touched my heart, and yes you sure are not a stranger to this disease hun.

I do not know weather you know that there is help for people that this disease has touched from others drinking.

If there is anything I can do or say please e-mail me and again thank-you so mush for sharing it surley means the world to me.
flowerforyou
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thank you very much.....I teach and help others also....which truly helps me also. And I might just take you up on the e-mail. I know the Lord will never give me more then I can handle, and that it's not up to me for my brother to break this......I told him as I was leaving that his only hope is to get on his knees and give it to God.....thats all I can do at this point...And pray pray pray and then just when I think I can't do it anymore.....pray pray pray

Thanks jon.....I feel I have met a kindred spirit.
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Oh I am so proud of you to keep your faith in such tradgedy and to help others God is sure using you as a instrument of His peace.

You desrve to be happy and I hope you will find it. For me God works through people and today I feel He has worked through you to help me so thank- you very much:smile:


Yes God is using me in many many ways....and I am more then happy for go and do what he asks of me. I am happy....I have a wonderful family and do alot to help others which brings me much joy....and if I inspire others to stay sober then Praise God......my work is done....And the same goes for you Jon....my e-mail is open to you anytime.

no photo
Wed 01/16/08 05:38 PM

It does in a sense....but the control of the addiction is much stronger then the free will to stop. People as you may or may not know will loose everything to choose the addiction.....My brother chose it over me....the only person he has in this world.....what does that say to you funches?


I don't know your brother's situation also it's unfair to yourself to say that your brother choose the addiction over you because it certainly doesn't work like that ..your brother may have other demons that he uses the addiction to cope with

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