I did read the article and within the article is a link to where the information was sourced .. it looks like a blog :/). As for the databases I am referring to ... scientific medical databases with peer reviewed research such as the lancet , pubmed, cinahl, Cochrane . Again you seem to personally attack insult and try to discredit me crystal .I really would prefer if you keep your post about the topic and not about me :-) my reply was addressed to Calle and my questions to him are reasonable . Anyone can post info and stats that does not make a source credible .

I have no expectation that people read or acknowledge my posts . That is an assumption on your part . Also an assumption about my medical qualifications . You have no idea what my role is .., what I am qualified to do or what I have access to . Again assumptions .

one of the hot topics....a side issue is how to get along with people we disagree with, call it a subplot that is growing these days...

if your only source of news is mainstream media ala television and local newspapers i predict an easy life and not so easy afterlife...

one christian's perspective....from the get go it seemed contrived to me but that is because of my viewpoint...antichrist kingdom is world domination....lockdown seems like a step towards this appointed by WHo

atheists generally are pro covid, pro abortion, pro paris climate accord, pro transgender and same sex marriage, pro open borders...basically pro anything that is anti christian....the devil was the subtlest creature in the garden...

notice he uses the term antichrist...so goal is to do everything against christ as opposed to recruiting people for satanism....

25 years from now when you are asked to take a chip on your hand or forehead don't say i didn't warn you..revelation 13:17-And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Covid-19: Pfizer director says science 'winning the race' against virus

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56455774

"Science is winning the race between coronavirus and the vaccine, Pfizer's UK medical director has said."

"While the main threat continues to come from new variants, Pfizer is already designing an updated vaccine that will work, he said."

"If you look at what's happening in the UK there are dramatic reductions in the death rate, dramatic reductions in hospitalisations and in the number of cases," he said.

hi calle .. I read the analyses article attached to your link ... it is very confusing to read . If I have understood it correctly ., the analyses refers to people already infected with covid that received a subsequent vaccination. ... is that correct ??? If so .. what evidence is there that the vaccine caused the deaths and not the covid infection ???

Who is the author of the article ??? It does not specify his qualifications/credentials ???

http://www.nakim.org/israel-forums/viewtopic.php?t=270812&s=The_uncovering_of_the_vaccination_data_in_Israel__reveals_a_frightening_picture

Are you claiming that the ministry of health is withholding information or providing false information about covid vaccine outcomes ??

I will check my medical databases and see if any actual scientific data has been published from Israel .


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The claim is that Pfizer’s shot causes “mortality hundreds of times greater in young people compared to mortality from coronavirus without the vaccine, and dozens of times more in the elderly, when the documented mortality from coronavirus is in the vicinity of the vaccine dose, thus adding greater mortality from heart attack, stroke, etc.”

My understanding is that they have compared the death rate on people recently taking the jab (within 5 week).
It also states that “those vaccinated and above 65, 0.2 percent … died during the three-week period between doses, hence about 200 among 100,000 vaccinated. This is to be compared to the 4.91 dead among 100,000 dying from COVID-19 without vaccination.” Do the math from there 200/4,91=40,73

Else they clearly claim 3 sites for the data, but have not looked in to them. For instance I don´t no if the death rate in covid they use is for all or just for all people or specified for people over 65, but guess so sine they have compared on younger.

(might be little more info there https://foreignaffairsintelligencecouncil.wordpress.com/2021/03/04/death-rates-skyrocket-in-israel-following-pfizer-experimental-covid-vaccines/ )
Dr Hervé Seligmann works at the Emerging Infectious and Tropical Diseases Research Unit, Faculty of Medicine, Aix-Marseille University, Marseille, France. He is of Israeli-Luxembourg nationality. He has a B. Sc. In Biology from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and has written over 100 scientific publications.

The other person comparing the data is engineer Haim Yativ about their research and data analysis.

The authors of the article declare they have no conflicts or interests other than having children in Israel.

A shame you take it personally. I'm not attacking you at all, and certainly not insulting you.
I ask reasonable questions, similar to the ones you yourself ask of others. You have asked several times to see proof, get source links etc etc. Why is it then
unreasonable to ask the same of you?

And no, I don't know exactly what you have access to, but I do know from working in hospital that personnel only has access to what is relevant to their work to protect people's privacy. Unless you're a hacker, these perimeters are very strict. And I doubt Covid research is part of ICU work.
I wonder if any hospital would even have access to that, unless there is a research facility connected to it. But even then I doubt ICU personnel would have access to that as it's not relevant to their work.
So why is it offending if I ask question about that? Seems logical to me.

All I'd like to see is that people that only copy what we are already being spoon-fed by the media all day long, for over a year now, acknowledge that this info is possibly skewed AND/OR that there is another side to it that also has to be considered.

Covid-19: More than 6,000 'lives saved by vaccine programme'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56521415

"The Covid-19 vaccination programme has saved more than 6,000 lives, an analysis by Public Health England says."

"Most would have been among the over-80s and some among people in their 70s, estimates up to the end of February suggest."

"The PHE analysis compared expected deaths with Covid-19 with deaths observed among the four million over-70s given first doses by the end of January, assuming it would take 31 days before the protective effects of the vaccine had a significant impact on death rates.

It estimated 6,100 lives had been saved:
5,900 among the over-80s 200 among people in their 70s "

"And an even higher number of lives would have been saved, PHE said, if vaccines also helped to reduce transmission of the virus, as hoped."

crystal you are hilarious . There is a thing called professional development . Doctors, nurses and health professionals have access to a wide range of scientific research databases ... you are completely wrong . Not sure how they do things in your country but I would imagine it is the same . Perhaps you are completely out of touch . Of course Unqualified health assistants do not have access to much at all . Perhaps that is were the confusion is . I am not offended at all that you ask what my medical databases are ., I am offended that you make personal claims and assumptions about me ... the topic Is covid ... not your fixation with blondey111 again you know nothing about me , where I work ,,what my role and qualifications are .. so please stop posting assumptions about me .

Oh and btw .. asking for links and sources is only part of the equation .. you also need to understand validity and credibility . Even scientific research can be biased .

I think if you have an underlying health issue, a low immune system or if you have indeed been touched by covid, then maybe those opposed to the vaccine would feel differently, or not. All medication/vaccines have side effects, and these are listed on the printed sheet you receive with the medication. How any of us will react, if at all, varies from person to person and other influences such as health conditions, other meds etc.

Here in the UK we are issued with a little certificate stating when we had the vaccine, and which one was administered. Will restrictions be imposed for those who don’t have a vaccine certificate? Who knows, but I guess we will learn more over the coming months.

At the moment though it’s down to choice, so many will have the vaccine and there will be those who choose not to. Of course there will also be some who are required to have the vaccine because of their job

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thanks so much Calle for your response I have downloaded the original articles along with your new link , also found the original report but haven’t had time to review them yet . Will comment once I have read all the info.

my tactic for getting along with people who disagree is to avoid people mostly seriously rarely leave my house these days. I shop mostly online.
I go out once a month with friends to keep my sanity.
at least there are some like minded people here that's comforting. makes you feel not as alone

Hi
Yes, the more I investigate the more insane/scary this seems. The survival rate is 99,8 % and they still stress and push a vaccine with fear.
Several Doctors have said that this kind of Mrna-vaccin it have backfired in all animal studies, so based on that it might brake the Nuremberg code. The Vaccine have not got the ordinary approval or testing. Se for example.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/cya-fraudulent-marketing-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-unapproved-product-permitted-use/5738844

Example on warning for MRNA-vaccine: https://www.bitchute.com/video/2jldnOmiJQsd/ (really hope they are wrong)

well in a Way it is line with Bills for some reasons smiling predictions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwCR9eYpopU .

I pass on being guinea pig.

All vaccines are tested by what are known as Clinical Trials. This involved 1000's of people freely agreeing to be vaccinated in order to test the vaccine works and that it's safe, before being approved by medical experts for use in the general population.

Here in the UK these approved vaccines have now been offered and freely given to nearly 30 million people, with no serious side effects reported.

30 million people vaccinated here in the UK. More than half the adult population.

It seems to me there are a lot of people, including me, putting their trust in medical science in producing these vaccines to protect us from Covid-19, and help us all out of this pandemic saving as many lives as possible along the way. No one is forcing anyone to have a vaccination.

Yeah, even the CBG, our version of the FDA in the US, has said that they don't know if it will work, if it is safe, if you can't get infected anymore once you got the poison.
The woman who had to deliver this news in a press conference was so nervous I think she had to wear 3 Tena Ladies. I felt sorry for her.

And indeed it did NOT get fully approved but conditionally.
Anything to administer the poison to people and not deviate from the agenda that's behind this.

It's shocking how so many people still are blind to the facts and truths. I'm not making this up, I only educated myself, using the internet. Info readily available to all. But not when you follow the mainstream media and news.
The media is also interesting btw...
I'd never thought of it until our politician Thierry Baudet mentioned it:
The media used to be the one to question what government does. Media used to be the rebel.
Now media is censured, in the pocket of government, a meek follower of what they're spoon-fed or forced to publish. They're not the questioner, the 'rebel' anymore.

Glad to see that there still are quite a lot of people that don't buy into what the media makes the masses believe!
And good you insisted and didn't go along with their crap.

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This -section from that article- is hilarious:



In what way 'unprotected'? We have an immune system that is superior to anything. Epigenetics has proved this as well.
So we who aren't getting the shot ARE protected!
This assumption totally ignores our immune system while it's the most important things to stay alive. Most of us likely wouldn't even make it out of the womb without a functioning immune system, yet we are unprotected?

Really stupid to throw that argument in.
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http://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/how-safe-are-covid-19-vaccines

Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance, helps vaccinate almost half the world’s children against deadly and debilitating infectious diseases

AS PART OF ITS MISSION TO SAVE LIVES, REDUCE POVERTY AND PROTECT THE WORLD AGAINST THE THREAT OF EPIDEMICS, GAVI HAS HELPED VACCINATE MORE THAN 822 MILLION CHILDREN IN THE WORLD’S POOREST COUNTRIES, PREVENTING MORE THAN 14 MILLION FUTURE DEATHS

Share the facts

We all need information that can be trusted. Misinformation and false claims threaten to undermine the success of vaccines and put people's lives at risk.

Nearly a year after the COVID-19 pandemic began, several vaccines have now been rolled out across the world, including some that use new RNA technology that has never been approved for use on humans before. Although all these vaccines have been produced at record speed, with processes run in parallel to save time, there have been many checks and balances to ensure their safety, including being subject to the same scientific and regulatory rigour as any other vaccine.

Any possible risks that may exist are considerably lower than those associated with COVID-19 infection, and vastly outweighed by the benefits of protecting people and preventing the virus from spreading.

ENSURING SAFETY
A candidate vaccine goes through several stages before it can be given to people – right from the exploratory science, to the pre-clinical testing (often on animals), then clinical development (which includes three phases of human trials), and finally regulatory review and approval, manufacturing and quality control.
In pre-clinical studies, a vaccine is tested to see whether it is toxic and how it reacts with the body – this is to identify a safe dose before testing the vaccine candidate in people.

Human trials are designed to spot side effects – these are not the same as temporary short-term reactions such as a headache, sore arms, fatigue, chills and fever, which are not uncommon in other vaccines or injections, and are usually not harmful in the long term. Genuine side effects means anything that is long-lasting and potentially dangerous.

NEW TECHNOLOGY
Two of the new vaccines developed by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna use mRNA technology. The advantages of mRNA vaccines are numerous – they are fast to develop, cheaper and easier to manufacture than more traditional vaccines. Although RNA vaccines have not been used on the public before, this technology has been carefully developed for over a decade and there are many reasons to be reassured that they are safe.

So how does an mRNA vaccine work? RNA (ribonucleic acid) is related to DNA, and mRNA is messenger RNA, part of our genetic code that tells cells what proteins to make. The COVID-19 vaccines exploit this by sending a copy of the messenger RNA belonging to the coronavirus into our cells instructing them to make spike proteins similar to those found on the surface of the COVID-19 virus. This works because the spike protein triggers a strong immune reaction in our bodies.

But the viral RNA does not tamper with our own genetic code because it does not enter the nucleus at the heart of our cells, and so does not come into contact with our DNA. Also RNA disintegrates within about 72 hours.

SIDE EFFECTS
During clinical trials, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was given to half of a total of 43,500 people, and the Moderna vaccine to around 15,000 of 30,000 people in the trial. Throughout the phase 1, 2 and 3 trials assessing safety, no major side-effects have been reported so far.

Oxford/AstraZeneca’s candidate is a vector vaccine, which also works by inserting part of the genetic code of the virus into cells instructing them to make spike proteins. But unlike mRNA vaccines these instead use a harmless virus to deliver it. In clinical trials of this vaccine there were very rare reports of events associated with inflammation of the nervous system, but it is not clear whether those events were related to the vaccine.

The Task Force for Global Health’s Brighton Collaboration is a group of more than 750 vaccine experts working on vaccine safety, including for COVID-19 vaccines. In partnership with the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI) – which, together with Gavi and the World Health Organization (WHO) is driving forward COVID-19 vaccine development – the Brighton Collaboration convened global experts to draft lists of potential adverse events of special interest for COVID-19 vaccine candidates which are reviewed by WHO.

This is just one part of the routine monitoring carried out on use of a new vaccine in the population, to watch out for any unexpected side effects. This includes a wide range of possible side-effects, including any respiratory complications (such as pneumonia or acute respiratory distress syndrome), as well as cardiac (including cardiogenic shock, cardiomyopathy or coronary artery disease), acute renal and hepatic injury, or sepsis.

MYTHS AND MISINFORMATION
As with any drug or vaccine, separating fact from fiction is critical and can be increasingly hard to do with the amount of noise surrounding the safety of COVID-19 vaccines. Rumours circulating on the internet and on social media platforms include, for example, ones claiming that the new vaccines can affect fertility, despite there being no evidence. More importantly, there is no biological possibility that COVID-19 vaccines could affect fertility.

Nor can the vaccines actually give you COVID-19, and there is no biologically plausible mechanism through which they could do so. While there have been anecdotal reports of people appearing to get COVID-19 after the first dose of the vaccine, it is most likely that these patients already had the virus incubating before their shot. Or they were part of the small percentage of people in whom the vaccine failed to trigger an immune response, and then subsequently became infected.

Ultimately safety is paramount throughout the entire vaccine development and the regulatory approval process. Moreover, any possible risks that may exist are considerably lower than those associated with COVID-19 infection, and vastly outweighed by the benefits of protecting people and preventing the virus from spreading.

excellent post young fella ....

Thank you. This was all extracted from the website, http://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/how-safe-are-covid-19-vaccines, they have certainly provided all the reliable information we all need.

This virus will kill the morons and the unlucky.

I doubt that very much. Death rate is just 3% worldwide, in some countries even much lower.
And I can guarantee there's a helluva lot more morons in this world!