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Topic: Coronavirus - part 2
Dodo_David's photo
Sat 01/02/21 06:12 PM
Here is Frank Drebin with his back turned toward Covid-19:


Are you really in Melbourne don't lie's photo
Sun 01/03/21 01:24 AM
https://rumble.com/vbalzn-canadian-doctor-destroys-utterly-unfounded-public-hysteria-over-covid-19.html

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Sun 01/03/21 06:08 AM
Edited by SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž on Sun 01/03/21 06:15 AM
The idea had been to start vaccinating medical personnel, esp. the nursing staff in homes for the elderly on Jan 8th. However, the interest and willingness to take it is low among them!
Isn't that funny...
I wonder what they're going to do about that because I'm thinking... if even the nursing staff doesn't want to take the vaccine, chances are the elderly in the homes are going to change their minds too.
Things are looking up :)

I don't know how nursing staff in hospitals feel about it, but what I read the other day coming from nurses, for the first time saying what they've seen and know, they're not going to want it either.

Also, the other day I heard they're contemplating giving everyone the first shot and not a smaller group so there's enough left for their 2nd shot to complete vaccination.
They know nothing for certain about the max time in between, nor when they'll have more to give everyone the 2nd shot.
So I'm wondering... is their agenda to give everyone a shot because of what is in it or are they really to find the best way to deal with this virus?

I've also read that so far they still haven't been able to properly isolate the virus so there cannot be a properly working vaccine either.

I stand by my point of view: I'm not going to get it. Meaning someone else gets lucky and maybe can have 3 :D

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Sun 01/03/21 06:39 AM

The idea had been to start vaccinating medical personnel, esp. the nursing staff in homes for the elderly on Jan 8th. However, the interest and willingness to take it is low among them!
Isn't that funny...
I wonder what they're going to do about that because I'm thinking... if even the nursing staff doesn't want to take the vaccine, chances are the elderly in the homes are going to change their minds too.
Things are looking up :)

I don't know how nursing staff in hospitals feel about it, but what I read the other day coming from nurses, for the first time saying what they've seen and know, they're not going to want it either.

Also, the other day I heard they're contemplating giving everyone the first shot and not a smaller group so there's enough left for their 2nd shot to complete vaccination.
They know nothing for certain about the max time in between, nor when they'll have more to give everyone the 2nd shot.
So I'm wondering... is their agenda to give everyone a shot because of what is in it or are they really to find the best way to deal with this virus?

I've also read that so far they still haven't been able to properly isolate the virus so there cannot be a properly working vaccine either.

I stand by my point of view: I'm not going to get it. Meaning someone else gets lucky and maybe can have 3 :D


Crystal, I agree. I have also heard of many hospital staff who refuse to take it. They are on the front lines and see with their own eyes what is happening. We sitting at home listening to lies from the tv have no clue unless we dig for it.

No one can tell me why we didn't use masks and shut down for the flu every year? No one can explain how deaths from flu, pneumonia, heart disease, cancer, and many other diseases have fallen to unheard of lows while all deaths seem to be blamed on covid. Perhaps mr David can give us a funny gif to explain it?

blah..blah..'s photo
Sun 01/03/21 07:41 AM

The idea had been to start vaccinating medical personnel, esp. the nursing staff in homes for the elderly on Jan 8th. However, the interest and willingness to take it is low among them!
Isn't that funny...
I wonder what they're going to do about that because I'm thinking... if even the nursing staff doesn't want to take the vaccine, chances are the elderly in the homes are going to change their minds too.
Things are looking up :)


Hi Crystal, are you saying that frontline nursing staff don't believe there's a need for a vaccine as they don't believe things are as bad as what the media and governments will have us believe?

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Sun 01/03/21 11:56 AM
Edited by Seamus on Sun 01/03/21 11:58 AM
As I understand it, many vaccinations are mandatory for N.H.S. staff, so I expect that the Covid-19 vaccine will also be mandatory.
In the U.K. the government wants to vaccinate thirty one million of the most vulnerable people. However, they are so incompetent, that at the current rate it will take them until the end of December 2022 to achieve this. Naturally, this is worst than useless because unless all of these people receive two doses of vaccine within three months it will be just a huge waste of money for no effect.
While the vaccine might have been rushed through and accordingly is reported to have many serious side-effects all conspiracy theories tend to be absurd because they require governments to be ultra-competent, which is far from the case, as is obvious.
I don't think that there's any need for a vaccine against this particular virus but that's my choice.

Dodo_David's photo
Sun 01/03/21 03:06 PM
Here are some reactions to the Covid-19 pandemic that have been expressed throughout the world:






SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž's photo
Sun 01/03/21 03:07 PM


The idea had been to start vaccinating medical personnel, esp. the nursing staff in homes for the elderly on Jan 8th. However, the interest and willingness to take it is low among them!
Isn't that funny...
I wonder what they're going to do about that because I'm thinking... if even the nursing staff doesn't want to take the vaccine, chances are the elderly in the homes are going to change their minds too.
Things are looking up :)


Hi Crystal, are you saying that frontline nursing staff don't believe there's a need for a vaccine as they don't believe things are as bad as what the media and governments will have us believe?

No, I'm saying there is very little interest among them in getting the -or this- vaccine.

SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž's photo
Sun 01/03/21 03:14 PM

As I understand it, many vaccinations are mandatory for N.H.S. staff, so I expect that the Covid-19 vaccine will also be mandatory.
In the U.K. the government wants to vaccinate thirty one million of the most vulnerable people. However, they are so incompetent, that at the current rate it will take them until the end of December 2022 to achieve this. Naturally, this is worst than useless because unless all of these people receive two doses of vaccine within three months it will be just a huge waste of money for no effect.
While the vaccine might have been rushed through and accordingly is reported to have many serious side-effects all conspiracy theories tend to be absurd because they require governments to be ultra-competent, which is far from the case, as is obvious.
I don't think that there's any need for a vaccine against this particular virus but that's my choice.

Yes, this.

And what you say about the 3 months window... that's why it's ridiculous to think of making the 2nd dose for people who had the 1st shot into the 1st shot for more people, meaning all of these will likely not get the 2nd shot within the 3 months window.
And as I said, it makes me think whether they are keen on getting more people 1 shot for a secret reason or they're hoping they'll get more to give all the 2nd dose in time.

Like you I also don't think there's any need for a vaccine against this virus.
My choice too. And I'm fine with people standing in front of the line to get it. Gives us the opportunity to see what happens. The same what NZ is going to do as far as I understood from what Blondey said.

blah..blah..'s photo
Mon 01/04/21 04:32 AM
Why aren't they interested in getting a vaccine though?

SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž's photo
Mon 01/04/21 05:23 AM
Edited by SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž on Mon 01/04/21 05:24 AM

Why aren't they interested in getting a vaccine though?

The health department spokeswoman didn't say.
What I read from nurses in hospitals, who decided to finally speak up, was that they knew the vaccine wasn't good / unsafe and they didn't want to get something like that in their bodies.
I suspect the nurses from the old people's homes have the same reason.

All the spokeswoman was concerned about was the vaccines going to waste when they send too many to the homes because the staff didn't want to get them. I don't think she was much interested in the fact medical personnel doesn't want it.
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blah..blah..'s photo
Mon 01/04/21 08:59 AM
It seems odd that there is this deadly virus going around, and yet even with a vaccine, people are happy to carry on as normal, you'd think people would be desperate to get vaccinated so they don't die :smile:

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Mon 01/04/21 09:49 AM
Daily coronavirus briefing: Accuweather

I check out accuweather daily. I read their breifing for entertainment.
I don't go to NEWS sites or watch TV.

Newest entries first:

U.K. becomes first country to use AstraZeneca vaccine

U.S. considers cutting Moderna vaccine in half to inoculate more people

U.S. now has more than 20 million cumulative coronavirus cases

Here are the latest coronavirus numbers globally, provided by Johns Hopkins University:
Confirmed cases: 85,068,700
Recoveries: 47,810,058
Fatalities: 1,842,095

Coronavirus cases rise in Mexico as American tourism persists

French authorities arrest 7, issue over 1,600 fines following New Year's Eve party

Larry King hospitalized for COVID-19

Doctor hospitalized after receiving coronavirus vaccine
A 32-year-old female doctor in Mexico was admitted to the intensive care unit of a public hospital in the northern state of Nuevo Leon after she experienced seizures, difficulty breathing and a skin rash following the COVID-19 vaccine. Mexican authorities said they are studying why the doctor was hospitalized after receiving the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine. β€œThe initial diagnosis is encephalomyelitis,” the Health Ministry said in a statement released on Friday night. Encephalomyelitis is an inflammation of the brain and spinal cord. The ministry said that the doctor has a history of allergic reactions. Reuters said Pfizer and BioNTech could not immediately be reached for comment.

Ohio governor won't force healthcare workers to get vaccine

Dozens of people injected with incorrect COVID-19 shot
Over 40 people in West Virginia were accidentally given injections containing COVID-19 antibodies rather than the Moderna vaccine they thought they were getting, according to the state’s National Guard. CBS News reported that the antibody product was administered by the Boone County Health Department. The 42 individuals who received the incorrect shot have been contacted and are being given priority status for receiving the vaccine, the state Department of Health and Human Resources said.
"The moment that we were notified of what happened, we acted right away to correct it, and we immediately reviewed and strengthened our protocols to enhance our distribution process to prevent this from happening again," Maj. Gen. James Hoyer of the state's National Guard said.


Spike in COVID-19 cases after holiday gatherings threatens " total collapse of the health care system"

2,500 gather at illegal rave in France for New Years

Nursing home resident reportedly dies after COVID-19 vaccine
A nursing home resident in Switzerland who was among the first in the country to be vaccinated against COVID-19 later died, however officials have not indicated whether the death was related to the vaccine or not, according to the New York Post. β€œWe are aware of the case,” an official in the canton of Lucerne told Reuters, adding that the matter has been referred to Swiss drugs regulator Swissmedic. The resident, who received the coronavirus vaccine on Christmas Eve, had previously reacted negatively to the flu shot, according to the report.

Yoga studio remains open in Seattle, despite coronavirus restrictions barring fitness centers from operating

Public Health chief does not recommend mixing COVID-19 vaccines
After U.K. government guidance was updated this week to say the interchangeability of Covid-19 vaccines was a "reasonable" option, Public Health England’s Head of Immunisations Dr. Mary Ramsay said mixing Covid-19 vaccines is not recommended. β€œWe do not recommend mixing the Covid-19 vaccines – if your first dose is the Pfizer vaccine you should not be given the AstraZeneca vaccine for your second dose and vice versa,” Ramsay said in a statement, according to The Daily Mail. β€œThere may be extremely rare occasions where the same vaccine is not available, or where it is not known what vaccine the patient received. Every effort should be made to give them the same vaccine, but where this is not possible it is better to give a second dose of another vaccine than not at all,” she added. The updated U.K. guidance contradicts guidelines in the United States. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has noted that the authorized Covid-19 vaccines β€œare not interchangeable with each other or with other Covid-19 vaccine products,” and that β€œthe safety and efficacy of a mixed-product series have not been evaluated. Both doses of the series should be completed with the same product.”

Las Vegas Strip packed with tens of thousands on New Year’s Eve

Wuhan residents crowd the street for New Year celebration

Green card and work visa ban extended

2021 rang in to empty landmarks and cities

India approves AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine

Florida reports first case of new COVID-19 variant

Three more cases of COVID mutant variant found in California

US falls short of 2020 vaccination target

Dr. Drew tests positive for COVID-19

US unemployment claims drop for two weeks straight

China authorizes first locally-made vaccine

New York City aiming to vaccinate 1 million residents in January

27% of child-care providers still haven’t reopened

Wisconsin hospital worker after intentionally leaving vaccines out of fridge
Deliberate actions from one hospital worker in Wisconsin led to over 500 COVID-19 vaccines being destroyed after 57 vails containing the vaccine were intentionally taken out of the pharmacy refrigerator and left out overnight. According to CBS News, Advocate Aurora Health confirmed that the worker admitted to doing the act on purpose and an investigation is ongoing.
"We continue to believe that vaccination is our way out of the pandemic," Advocate Aurora Health said in a statement. "We are more than disappointed that this individual's actions will result in a delay of more than 500 people receiving their vaccine. This was a violation of our core values, and the individual is no longer employed by us."


Ukrainian ski resort fully booked as other foreign resorts ordered to shut down

U.S. may require negative COVID-19 test for more international passengers

Nurse tests positive less than 1 week after taking vaccine
An emergency room nurse in San Diego was administered the first of two doses of the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine on Dec. 18, but six days later, he began to experience symptoms such as fatigue, chills and muscle pain. The nurse, identified as Matthew W., then tested for the coronavirus and the result came back positive, ABC News said. According to medical experts, this diagnosis is not a surprise since it takes time for the body to build up an immunity to COVID-19 following vaccination. "We know from the vaccine clinical trials that it’s going to take about 10 to 14 days for you to start to develop protection from the vaccine," Dr. Christian Ramers told KGTV. Additionally, the second dose of the vaccine is crucial to help the body build up immunity. "That first dose we think gives you somewhere around 50%, and you need that second dose to get up to 95%," Ramers said. To help the body build up immunity after receiving the vaccine, some health officials are urging people to abstain from alcohol as drinking alcohol can blunt the immune response, NewScientist reported. In Russia, scientists are telling people not to drink alcohol for at least three days after receiving the Sputnik V vaccine, the country’s first coronavirus vaccine. However, no warnings have been given concerning alcohol consumption and the vaccines developed by Pfizer and Moderna.

Stay-at-home orders extended indefinitely in California as state is on verge of total crisis

Treasury and IRS begin delivering second round of $600 stimulus payments

Spanish residents who refuse vaccine could wind up on registry

Cuomo says New York investigating potential vaccine fraud

Pacific islands face food shortages as pandemic puts a strain on the global supply chain

City in Mexico uses armed forces to patrol beaches

Hospitals in the U.K. face "wall-to wall COVID" amid surge

Indonesia bans foreign visitors as new variant spreads

Stop. Smell. Be Well. A simple DIY smell test could catch COVID-19 cases

Virtual learning efforts failing many minority students

You may need a vaccine passport if you want to travel anywhere next year

Study says ultraviolet LED lights can kill coronavirus

Antibodies in breast milk could be potential treatment for coronavirus

COVID-19 vaccine causing more allergic reactions than anticipated
The frequency of allergic reactions to the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine is higher than what would be expected for other vaccines, the chief scientific adviser for Operation Warp Speed said according to a report. Dr. Moncef Slaoui said the last time he was updated on allergic reactions was Tuesday when there were six cases, and added that the data on COVID-19 immunizations is lagging behind the actual numbers, CNN reported. β€œThat frequency, as it stood yesterday, is superior to what one would expect with other vaccines,” he said. On Monday, a National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases official said the US is looking at why some people have suffered severe allergic reactions shortly after receiving the Pfizer vaccine. Slaoui said discussions are underway between the vaccine makers and the National Institutes of Health to consider holding clinical trials of vaccines in very allergic populations, The New York Post reported.

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Mon 01/04/21 10:44 AM
Boris Johnson widely expected to impose another lockdown to last several months, with only "essential" journeys allowed and one hour exercise outside.
So, after decades of closing Hospitals and cutting staff by governments of both major parties, it's finally come back to bite them with a pandemic. Naturally, there comes a point where any medical service wouldn't be able to cope but this is a mostly self-inflicted injury in my opinion.

SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž's photo
Mon 01/04/21 11:11 AM

Boris Johnson widely expected to impose another lockdown to last several months, with only "essential" journeys allowed and one hour exercise outside.
So, after decades of closing Hospitals and cutting staff by governments of both major parties, it's finally come back to bite them with a pandemic. Naturally, there comes a point where any medical service wouldn't be able to cope but this is a mostly self-inflicted injury in my opinion.

Yup, same here. That was already going on when I wanted to be a nurse, which was in 1985.
We only had 1100 IC beds when this pandemic started. They added 250 to that.
Isn't that insane with a population of nearly 18 million?
And the beds and premises likely aren't the biggest problem, but the personnel will be.
So this decades long daft policy sure as hell came round to bite them in the @$$, and with that all of us people.

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Mon 01/04/21 11:12 AM

Boris Johnson widely expected to impose another lockdown to last several months, with only "essential" journeys allowed and one hour exercise outside.
So, after decades of closing Hospitals and cutting staff by governments of both major parties, it's finally come back to bite them with a pandemic. Naturally, there comes a point where any medical service wouldn't be able to cope but this is a mostly self-inflicted injury in my opinion.

Wasn't that the idea of the spring "lockdown", or the Autumn "lockdown", or the winter tier system, all have failed to stop the spread of the virus, we can, of course blame the British public for being selfish and ignorant, but the government have to take a big share of the blame, their leadership and decision making during this pandemic, compared to other countries has been nothing short of farcical and shambolic IMO.

Had they dealt with the issue properly in March/April rather than faffing about, likewise in November when it was becoming obvious we were heading for a major second wave and they were far too late to act on scientific advice.

Not to mention the "eat out to help out" shenanigans, letting the pubs stay open until 10pm, opening shopping centres up to everyone, a complete and utter shambles!

SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž's photo
Mon 01/04/21 12:11 PM


Boris Johnson widely expected to impose another lockdown to last several months, with only "essential" journeys allowed and one hour exercise outside.
So, after decades of closing Hospitals and cutting staff by governments of both major parties, it's finally come back to bite them with a pandemic. Naturally, there comes a point where any medical service wouldn't be able to cope but this is a mostly self-inflicted injury in my opinion.

Wasn't that the idea of the spring "lockdown", or the Autumn "lockdown", or the winter tier system, all have failed to stop the spread of the virus, we can, of course blame the British public for being selfish and ignorant, but the government have to take a big share of the blame, their leadership and decision making during this pandemic, compared to other countries has been nothing short of farcical and shambolic IMO.

Had they dealt with the issue properly in March/April rather than faffing about, likewise in November when it was becoming obvious we were heading for a major second wave and they were far too late to act on scientific advice.

Not to mention the "eat out to help out" shenanigans, letting the pubs stay open until 10pm, opening shopping centres up to everyone, a complete and utter shambles!

It's one thing to be upset, it's another to read and find out if lockdown is actually effective at all. And there's a helluva lot of proof now that we're further in the pandemic that it doesn't do much, if at all.
They're just trying to scare people and with that divide us.

Here's one section. The full article via link below it.
Lockdowns Do Not Control the Coronavirus: The Evidence
6. Professor Ben Israel’s Analysis of virus transmission. April 16, 2020. β€œSome may claim that the decline in the number of additional patients every day is a result of the tight lockdown imposed by the government and health authorities. Examining the data of different countries around the world casts a heavy question mark on the above statement. It turns out that a similar pattern – rapid increase in infections that reaches a peak in the sixth week and declines from the eighth week – is common to all countries in which the disease was discovered, regardless of their response policies: some imposed a severe and immediate lockdown that included not only β€˜social distancing’ and banning crowding, but also shutout of economy (like Israel); some β€˜ignored’ the infection and continued almost a normal life (such as Taiwan, Korea or Sweden), and some initially adopted a lenient policy but soon reversed to a complete lockdown (such as Italy or the State of New York). Nonetheless, the data shows similar time constants amongst all these countries in regard to the initial rapid growth and the decline of the disease.”


Source: https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/

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Mon 01/04/21 12:31 PM
That's about what I've gathered from various news sources, that whatever various governments have done, the results have been much the same apart from the amount of suffering and distress piled on people.
Clearly, "lockdowns" and restrictions on movement have failed to control the spread of Covid-19 and why would they? Unless you live in an Hermetically sealed room with its own filtered air supply, it's an airborne virus and very few people can avoid coming into contact with it as they venture fearfully out to supermarkets where everybody is allowed.
I think it was Albert Einstein who remarked that at least one definition of insanity was "Repeating the same actions time after time but expecting a different result".

SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž's photo
Mon 01/04/21 01:01 PM

That's about what I've gathered from various news sources, that whatever various governments have done, the results have been much the same apart from the amount of suffering and distress piled on people.
Clearly, "lockdowns" and restrictions on movement have failed to control the spread of Covid-19 and why would they? Unless you live in an Hermetically sealed room with its own filtered air supply, it's an airborne virus and very few people can avoid coming into contact with it as they venture fearfully out to supermarkets where everybody is allowed.
I think it was Albert Einstein who remarked that at least one definition of insanity was "Repeating the same actions time after time but expecting a different result".

Indeed.
I've been following the data on and of since it began and you could indeed see that the curves of the graphs were very similar everywhere, except for the US which was one enormous curve that only kept going up. I think that was the only country with no clear 1st and 2nd wave but I guess if you look at it per state it would show the same.

Much of what has been in the media so far has been incorrect and a few inquiries made and Googling made that clear real fast. Like the stories of how Sweden was dealing with it.

Anywho, I don't believe in lockdown either. Nor in face mask. Yes, I see some value in that for the ones who have great risk if they'd get it. But as for the rest of us, not so much.

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Mon 01/04/21 01:17 PM

That's about what I've gathered from various news sources, that whatever various governments have done, the results have been much the same apart from the amount of suffering and distress piled on people.
Clearly, "lockdowns" and restrictions on movement have failed to control the spread of Covid-19 and why would they? Unless you live in an Hermetically sealed room with its own filtered air supply, it's an airborne virus and very few people can avoid coming into contact with it as they venture fearfully out to supermarkets where everybody is allowed.
I think it was Albert Einstein who remarked that at least one definition of insanity was "Repeating the same actions time after time but expecting a different result".


The problem seems to be, countries are not enforcing lockdown measures. Only 'pleading' to the public, not to socialize, is not enough. And recommending not to travel further than 5km from home does not work either, if there is no proper police checkpoints.

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