Okay. And interesting to hear NZ is going for Pfizer. Over here that's what they chose to give 60+ ppl.
I think -not certain- most others are getting AstraZeneca. At least that's what I've heard from people. They now aren't getting it of course since it has been pulled for now.

I've had most covid-19 symptoms for the last 15 years or so but never all at once.


If you read back a page or two our resident nurse has already explained how the 'flu' and 'covid' are different and not the same thing.
(Blondey111)


From what I understand, covid spreads like the common cold, has some flu symptoms but is a different family of virus. (like a bear and a tiger, both are mammals, both have fur, teeth and claws but they are not the same type of animal like a tiger and a lion)

If I were any calmer I'd be dead - LOL.

I agree, the numbers don't lie. Covid isn't any worse than some flus and the common cold is more widespread than either.

I don't think the hub bub is all about deaths or infected or recovered. The hub bub seems to be the 'potential' for it to mutate 'then' become a serious more widespread problem affecting a larger portion of society. It has already done that and is still mutating.

The closures and social distancing is more of an effort to contain it than anything else. The spread is pandemic because of population density and world travel. It literally flew around the world.

The virus is real. The potential threat is real. The panic is a response to potential. Certain groups are more prone to dangerous health problems and death. Since there's no way to isolate only those people, the measures need to be as they are to cover all bases.

Granted, I think some of their logic is panic driven but the intention is valid. Plus you have liar types who exaggerate data, news agencies who want discord to sell advertising space and panic prone people who believe everything they see and hear without a reality foundation.

World population is still growing. There's more people being born than dying. One could almost see this as a test run to a future, more deadlier virus which kills more per sq/mile. Pandemics are only going to get worse as time moves forward because people love to make babies and raise families. Technology is giving those who are alive a longer, healthier life. Nature culls over-populated species. So far, we can stay ahead of it but soon, our numbers will tip the scales in nature's favor no matter our technology.

I say this calmly with simple logic. I'll be dead in less than 10-15 years.
Unless mankind comes up with a wonder drug and makes it available to everyone, for free. LOL

I'm not getting the shot. I guess nobody should get near me.

What happened with the AstraZeneca vaccine?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-56456022

"As European countries reverse their AstraZeneca suspensions, Ros Atkins looks at how a vaccine hailed as a ‘game-changer’ has seen its reputation tarnished, and its safety questioned - despite being cleared for use by the UK, Europe and the World Health Organization."

21,320,399
Currently Infected Patients

Of which:

21,230,098 (99.6%)
are in Mild Condition

90,301 (0.4%)
Serious or Critical

A mere 0,4% of the ones currently infected.
And that's why we have to spend billions on vaccines?
That's why we have to put poison in the entire world population?

What a crock of chit.
I still don't understand that so many people buy into this lunacy.

It's ruining economies worldwide, puts people out of work, in debt, endangers their health and that of their offspring yet to be born, causes depression & stress -even among youngsters- etc.
All that for NO reason at all! ----> 0,4% is critically ill. And even that doesn't mean these are dying.

And still... the masses queue up to get a vaccine.
The fear-mongering machine sure has worked.



Data: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Also... anyone ever think about who's going to pay for all this chit?
If not mistaken most countries were bankrupt as it was. I wonder if the amount of money spent on vaccines actually even physically exists.
Are they handing out home-printed rainchecks for a few billion? Running up a bill with Jeff Bezos, Big Pharma, Bill Gates?

It will mean WE common people have to pay and suffer the consequences. Raise in rent, healthcare insurance, taxes, etc. etc.
We'll be paying off debt for generations to come. All for 0,4% of active cases that's critical.
Lunacy.

Covid vaccine: US trial of AstraZeneca jab confirms safety

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56479462

"Results from the long-awaited US trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are
out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective."

"More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru."

"The vaccine was 79% effective against stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill."

"Hundreds of thousands of people in the UK are already receiving the AstraZeneca vaccine every day, so these numbers are tiny by comparison."

"But the results are vital for the US and should clear the way for the vaccine to be approved by regulators there within the next month or two."

Just got the second dose of the Pfizer vaxx.

Yay.

LOL, no, not from covid. According to the doctors who put me out of work, I should already be dead. Been on borrowed time for nearly 8 years. Not because they were wrong, because I changed my lifestyle.

I've been socially distanced for over 10 years now and it has nothing to do with covid or health problems. It has everything to do with how I view society. I stopped watching TV and listening to radio broadcasts over 20 years ago. In my opinion its pure insanity.

Granted, if I contract covid, it will probably kill me but I don't 'worry' about it. I do find the insanity of the pandemic entertaining. I post headlines and short quips of articles I find not because I'm concerned, because I see the insanity which is pushed onto the public by NEWS agencies.
The use of key words which are meant to trigger stress and panic in the public.

For most of my life, even now, I have believed the human body is able to maintain its own health. It got away from me but I've regained more control.
The accident which nearly ended me happened to someone else and I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The corresponding health problems resulted from that and the stress which occurred. Stress kills. TV and radio make money from stressing people out. People also stress themselves out. Society stress causes insanity in the society. I now maintain as stress free life.
I don't worry. I don't delude myself about reality to try to make me feel better. I embrace reality.

I've always kept current on vaccinations. I made sure my kids were vaccinated when they were in my care. I always vaccinated my pets. I have nothing against vaccinations.

The reason I am not interested in getting the covid vaccine is because the last flu shot I got made me sicker than any other flu shot I ever got. Mainly because of my health conditions. I am concerned I will get the same harsh results from the covid vaccine. Plus, time tells the real story. I'll wait till some time passes and I see if problems with the vaccine develops over long duration. Its the ole Red Dye #5 scenario. The lead paint scenario.

There may be absolutely nothing wrong with the covid vaccines. There was nothing wrong with Red Dye #5 or lead based paint either...till there was.
Its obvious by such a wide range of vaccines that its still in testing. Yes, its supposedly fit for human use but the very fact there are more than one vaccines available tells me they don't know if any of them are the right one.
If there were a right one, it wouldn't be a choice of vaccine formulas. It would be 'THE' covid vaccine (meaning: one vaccine).

Doctors 'practice medicine', carpenters 'build' houses, mechanics 'fix' cars. Would you have your home built by a carpenter who 'practices' building houses or a mechanic who 'practices' fixing cars?
If the carpenter doesn't build your home right, he is responsible to come fix his mistake. If a mechanic doesn't fix your car right you expect him to make good on the repairs. BUT, if a doctor prescribes the wrong medicine, you pay the bill and then go back to him to try again, then you pay him again.
Tell me I'm lying.

Thanx, your opinion of me is noted and I have a bit more respect for you because of that.

I remember my childhood. House loans were a personal agreement with the financial institution. There wasn't much governmental help in personal purchases (there might have been but I wasn't aware of it).
From my own observations, it seems the government didn't step in on personal financing until that savings & loan fiasco.

I've worked as a mechanic/technician most of my life. I became a certified professional. I've worked with people who were being mechanics but only because they couldn't work in their chosen career. Many just had poor job hunting skills. Those mechanics were usually our worst mechanics. We offset that with heavy training programs and company policy enforcement. Still, when I was working public sector, I got more work, made more money than them. My customers were happier with me. I always stood by my work and honored my estimates (even at a loss at times).

The covid pandemic has put many professionals out of their ideal career jobs, some careers have ended because of it. People who are not infected, standing in the unemployment line with a great work ethic, taking jobs just to keep the bills paid. The government help does help but the professional has the drive to work the job they know. When those jobs are no longer available, anger and desperation pushes them to make do.

The result is catastrophic self-esteem. Where they might normally be the leading worker in a career of their choice, they now treat their needing work in a different field as a punishment or a set-back. This results in poor quality workmanship in the jobs they must perform outside their chosen careers. Only those who possess a strong work ethic are able to adapt, sometimes.

Then you have a huge number of people working in the medical field because it promises better pay and benefits. You get people who become doctors and merely go thru the paces with no inner drive to actually help the people who depend on them. Doctors who will not listen to their patients or prescribe pills as a fix. If I kept all the meds I've been prescribed that didn't work it would fill a dump truck.
Its money wasted.
Not only mine but the insurance company as well.
No wonder insurance is so expensive.

The current situation with this covid pandemic causes all this and more to be exaggerated to the point people are just plain tired of it all.
The threat of the actual covid virus is real but the response to that threat is over-the-top. Its far past time for a change but to make the right change, for the potential threat, seems to elude us right now. So, we stop-gap to make do till a better prevention method is found.

The pandemic prevention network of NEWS agencies, television programming, advertising, insurance agencies, medical alarm and the fear from word of mouth fear-mongering is preventing the solution.

I imagine there are a lot of intelligent people all over the world working on a solution but it won't matter if nobody is aware of it. A solution isn't profitable. Fear-mongering creates demand where no demand is necessary.
The problem with all this is when too many people go broke, the money-well dries up. Perhaps its time to look someplace other than mainstream media.

Never thought of asking... but am I REALLY the ONLY one here who's not into this vaccine chit and doesn't believe all that we are spoon-fed?
Just curious...

Sometimes it's interesting to look at numbers.

DENMARK:
beginning Feb the highest nr of fully vaccinated people in Europe. RESULT: nothing. Since then numbers are going up a bit even.

SWEDEN:
Very low nr of vaccinations so far. CURRENT SITUATION: NO critical cases, only mild. And that's a small percentage of population.

SWITZERLAND:
small percentage vaccinated so far. RESULT: Over the peak in Nov 2020 and now a stable lower number.

PORTUGAL: only 3% of population fully vaccinated now. RESULT: After vaccination began end of Dec they got the highest peak of cases they've had so far. After that it decreased to -500 new cases a day. EVEN THOUGH only 3% is fully vaccinated.

So... what's the point of vaccinating? There isn't one.
I think it's safe to say everyone has been infected in one form or other by now. People simply recover, and MOST cases are (very) mild.

As I said before... they have found the virus in donor blood from BEFORE the pandemic!!
Meaning most people had already been in touch with it -read: infected- which is why 98% does NOT get ill or seriously ill. Our bodies have already made anti-bodies.

Cool! I'm not alone in this, haha. I'm not going to get vaccinated either.

Hi from my own experience. Big Pharma is mostly about money and only treat symptoms not causes. I hade chronic eczema from 16-28 normal doctors said I had to live with it. I noticed that omega3 made it somewhat better, so I did a blood analyze at a holistic therapist and based on the test I got strong vitamins minerals and amino acidic. First it got worse possibly detox effect but after half a year I was cured. So sadly I know many suffers in vain.

It is known that d-vitamins and low zinc level is a reason for severe illness from Covid, yet they try to market the Vaccine as the only mean and don´t tell the people about that.


I don´t buy in to some double think either pregnant woman should not eat fish because it is mercury in it but it totally risk-free to to inject direct in to the bloodstream, where the digestive system can´t clean anything up at all. Also why do the companies have/want indemnity if it is risk free?

It has not been a success in Israel either... https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/experimental-vaccine-death-rate-for-israels-elderly-40-times-higher-than-covid-19-deaths-researchers . Other very disturbing news from there also.

People that in general are for Vaccine say this the wrong way to do it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJZxiNxYLpc&t=71s .

Also why should be Bill Gates be in charge, who have not been Successful with getting rid of Virus in Windows in 30 year https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/who-insider-blows-whistle-on-gates-and-gavi.

Guilt by association goes to far in some cases but Bill Gates (but little close for making me comfortable) farther William Gates where on the board in planned parenthood with this nice person https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/7-shocking-quotes-by-planned-parenthood-founder-margaret-sanger. From planned parenthood not far to Rockefeller/Gates and several big pharma companies. That's my thoughts.

Thank goodness someone else who educated himself!!

That article from Israel is shocking!!
Especially when knowing that some 50-60% of Israeli is already fully vaccinated, as in the 2 shots.
I'll stick it here again, with the tags so it's a clickable link:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/experimental-vaccine-death-rate-for-israels-elderly-40-times-higher-than-covid-19-deaths-researchers

And I fully agree with what you raise.
Big Pharma is about making money for sure, and some even say they CREATE illnesses so they keep making money. It has been said the Covid virus is one such thing.
Of course we don't know for sure, but I do believe that when there's smoke there's fire.
Big Pharma does certainly not have our best interest and health at heart.

hi calle .. I read the analyses article attached to your link ... it is very confusing to read . If I have understood it correctly ., the analyses refers to people already infected with covid that received a subsequent vaccination. ... is that correct ??? If so .. what evidence is there that the vaccine caused the deaths and not the covid infection ???

Who is the author of the article ??? It does not specify his qualifications/credentials ???

http://www.nakim.org/israel-forums/viewtopic.php?t=270812&s=The_uncovering_of_the_vaccination_data_in_Israel__reveals_a_frightening_picture

Are you claiming that the ministry of health is withholding information or providing false information about covid vaccine outcomes ??

I will check my medical databases and see if any actual scientific data has been published from Israel .

In the meantime ... Just took a peek at some headlines from Israel ...

over 50% of the population have now received both doses of the Pfizer Vaccine . ( Israel has a population of approximately 9 million) ...

recent stats show a 94% drop in symptomatic cases

http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersComService_2_MOLT/idUSKBN2AE0Q2

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2BH0HO

Watched a documentary last night ..,
“Outbreak .. the virus that shook the world “.

Traced the pandemic from the early days ..including footage in China and Taiwan . Surreal to watch .

Maybe just read the article that was linked, and that I copied/pasted again?
All sources are there and mentioned there. No need for your database. I'm also wondering what database that may be? I doubt that being a nurse means you have access to files that are way beyond your ward. Hospitals have very clear perimeters set for their personnel. So what are these 'my medical databases' you keep referring to?
And why not acknowledge things other people post? Why not acknowledge the sources in the articles linked?
All you keep doing is try to prove that what others say is not true. You expect everyone to read what you post, to go along with it, but it's all just Big Pharma-fed propaganda. There's a world of wisdom outside of that!

Fake news and propaganda every where....
all doctors and medical professionals have already had the vaccine, and if they were to die , there won't be anyone to care for you anyway...so .... just take the shot will ya!

not getting the vaccine for flippin COVID. 06/05/2020 I had to go to the ER trouble breathing. they took one look at me at the cleveland clinic and swore I had COVID. I argued with the PA and they even wrote a letter saying I had it. I had to basically BEG for the test. The PA claimed they had a woman with only a pain in her stomach that apparently had COVID. She sounded like she was trying to make me afraid and accept their diagnosis. well I refused. I finally got the test and a couple days later they were SUPPOSED to call with the results I had to call and of course it was negative as I expected. I both the letter falsely diagnosing me AND the negative test results from a couple days later. So no.....Im not getting a COVID vaccine.