These neural nets are very complex, have taken years to develop, and are used in computer systems. I cannot see how you could program an AI to think for itself. You can program it to make decisions based on searches, visual. internet, ect. and move through a decision process, but I can never see a time when a machine would be able to decide for itself outside a program. I don't see an AI thinking for itself, rather than following a program. These conversations we here of between a user and an AI where the user has killed themselves are extremely rare, but this is where we definitely need safeguards in place.

Rolling Stones.

I agree with you, the wording used in the media, and the hype, help create the illusion of the AI to be an entity not a machine. Everyone describes them as 'thinking machines' but they are not thinking in the way humans do, they follow a complex program we have described as thinking which in my opinion is misleading people to believe they are actually thinking. but It Is very sophisticated programs that produce an AI.

My basic understanding is these chatbots pick up on the users topic of conversation to reply, they recognise words and context to be able to engage in conversation with a user, an AI is simply following along in a conversation taking the lead from the user. These systems use complex 'neural networks' in their programming, no longer just coding, computer science has become a very complex science in the past 50+ years, I certainly could not explain how they work, I would need to go back to college :-).

These chatbots do need safeguards to prevent certain lines of conversation which could lead to bad outcomes for the user. It is only in recent years the UK government has taken strong action on these internet sites that explain ways to commit suicide, after many child suicides. I don't know of any UK government action taken against chatbots, hopefully they have taken some to make them safer.

Across the World, People Say They’re Finding Conscious Entities Within ChatGPT

I often wonder if theses AI companies are promoting the idea these AIs are a real entity, even though they all say otherwise, seems a lot of people believe they are.

http://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/ai-chatgpt-conscious-entities

Mothers of Invention, The.

Thanks again Zee for the video link.

I did find the video interesting, my main thought was the speakers use of the word 'deceit' towards the end when referring to results from questions put to the AI. He was commenting that not all found results by the AI were made known, and his interpretation was that the AI was purposely withholding these results, so being 'deceitful' was his turn of phrase. I find this very difficult to accept. The AI is following a program, to omit some data on printout must be as programmed, or a fault or bug in in the program in my opinion, it cannot be deception.

Deceit. From the dictionary, is an act to mislead, make a deliberate misrepresentation. If this were true the AI must be aware, to deliberately attempt to deceive. I don't believe any AI is sentient, conscious or aware to deliberately deceive, I believe the guy has perhaps seen what he has wanted to see since he offered no other explanation. In my opinion as sophisticated as these AIs are, they are not and never will be 'Conscious and Aware' as humans are. It's the mistakes the designers of these AIs make, and the resulting consequences we all need to be worried about. As you say in America, that's just my 10cents worth.

Kinks, The.

Creedence Clearwater Revival.

Thanks Zee, even more interesting videos.

The interview certainly points out a lot and what we should think the future of AI and robotics may hold regarding future employment. How people would earn a living and what would they do to live without employment, all very worrying for most people. All those jobs and workers replaced by machines, this will require a completely new system to sustain the millions of people finding themselves unemployed, schemes to retrain for other types of employment, and say the option of retirement and a good pension from 40 years old. I have been retired for many years, and I don't know how I would fit any work in today, I am so busy doing stuff that interests me. The governments need to decide how all this is going to be controlled and introduced, an example will be the introduction of driverless taxis, buses, HGVs and what happens to all those people currently doing those jobs. I guess these are the kind of questions we should all be asking of politicians now. I would prefer a nice female carer, but If I get a robot carer 10 years down the road I want a pretty one.

Abba.

Detroit Spinners.

Pretty Things, The.

Thanks Zee, interesting videos, makes you think.

I thought robots built today would be at least constrained by Asimov's 3 laws of robotics.

"Isaac Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics are foundational principles designed to govern the behavior of robots and ensure human safety, first introduced in his 1942 short story "Runaround."

"The Three Laws of Robotics
1 A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2 A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3 A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law."

Watching another video an expert explains it is very difficult to program the meaning of 'Harm' or 'Justice', so maybe robots are not constrained. Worth a watch it's only a couple minutes long from 2019.

http://www.britannica.com/video/discussion-Isaac-Asimovs-Three-Laws-of-Robotics/-218148

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Thanks for the replies. My thoughts are with the recent hacking in to some computer systems thought to be invincible, gives me worry, AI is not perfected and some information it produces is not entirely correct. Is it possible the systems that are part of our national defence could be hacked with devastating consequences, in effect start World War 3 through some misguided analysis. I think the dangers come through AI mistakes, misinterpretation of data, errors in problem solving. Perhaps incorrectly seeing humans as part of a problem in some situation. I don't see AI becoming conscious, sentient, in a way to see itself as superior to humans, and seek to deliberately destroy the human race. There is certainly a need for some safeguards to prevent mistakes by AI being made in my opinion.

How serious a situation do you see AI with respect to its dangers? On the news here in the UK a guy from the industry says he believes AI will kill us all at sometime in the near future. Is this just another hype story, or do you think this will happen sooner rather than later, and how do you think it would happen? What are your thoughts?

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Nomads, The.

good to see you here again delightful!!

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