I think what most people don't understand is that when you have a one on one relationship with God, and The Savior it is just that. And it really honestly truly means nothing when you say we are this or that.....and we could care less whether you believe what we have or don't.....Because the only one that matter is God, Jesus Christ and what he wants for my life. It doesn't matter what you think at all in the whole scheme of it all.

And again I say to all that start these threads......If you want to believe that anything or anyone is your god....so be it....and please allow me the same. If you don't want us to answer what is truly in our hearts.....then stop asking....because it will always be the same answers because and only because of our relationship with the Almighty.

Feral if only you kept your relationship with god between you and god that would be great. However you come along and attack truth. Like the truth of evolution. This is dangerous to our society. If you want to live in peace with a personal relationship with your god, I'll be the first one to wish you well. However you never do that. You believe that you have the one truth and everyone else in wrong.
You are also someone that tries to say that the Bible is the word for word word of God. It is simple posts like this that prove that is impossible. I know you can't answer to the inconsistencies in the book. So don't feel bad that you are frustrated by these posts. It is the nature of the ground you stand on. Shifting like the sand.



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feral:

I often wonder how much of one's belief system has been taught through another's acceptances, and how much of it has been learned through a critical self-examination... or some combination thereof.

How much of the 'old belief system' one truly sheds, after accepting whichever new one(s) takes it's place, as it were.

The roots of what one needs to lose in order to gain always lay deep within one... the immediate and obvious 'surface change' of many who choose Christ leave them as a seed strewn amongst thorns, when that initial change is assumed as being complete. I feel there is so much more to Jesus' teachings than is actually practiced... underlying truthes which are not obtained through most of today's Christianity... 'Salvation' is only the beginning of 'enlightenment', and not completely understood.

Newly re-born Christians often display a tendency to apply their own indivual and specific unique 'victory' to all others. Unfortunately, I believe most modern-day Christianity practices completely miss the true cause and effect of 'what' someone needs 'saved' from, focusing only on the beauty of what it feels like to once again have 'hope', without directly addressing and processing all of the underlying causes of why one lost hope to begin with.

creativesoul
Yahweh gives life and he takes it away. His thoughts are not our thought. His are way higher. Yahweh hates but what does he hate? The Ammorites? What did they do that Yahweh hates them? Jealous for his name. he is the creator. He pass made a legal agreement with us. That he would protect us if we will believe and honour him. His name is Blaspemed everyday by million and millions of people. The Religious elite is responcible for this. They lie to you and twist the scriptures.The traits of Yahweh are the fruit of the spirit. yahshua said you may not hate your brother without a cause. Yaahweh hates those who take advantage of his children. Who kills them. His hate for them can be forgiven if they will recongize what they have done and repent. If they choose not to then they are sealing thier own fate.I would be very carefull about saying anything about our creator. He knows are hearts and minds. He knows if you really feel you done wrong. The creator Yahweh created the earth,and everything around you. Yahshua said if these were not crying out to him that these stones would. Do you believe that can happen. Either you believe the creator and do as he says for your own good. Or you do not. You are responcible for what you know. If you run him down not knowing if what you are saying is true or not. Then the father of lies will creep in and you will be worse off that you are now.... Shalom...Miles

Evolution being truth is not my truth...and just like you I am entitled to that opinion.......checks (Yea still live in the good ole USA) It is my truth that I pass along yes.....but I don't make anyone believe it......I just put it out there....just like alot of others including yourself do. The difference for me is...that people really seeking have more then one side telling them what is what...and as long as I have breath in me I will continue to do so. And I believe in the the Bible because again that is my right to do so. And I will fight for that right to believe that it is God's truth......and if you don't like that well.....get over it......

And if you don't believe in any God......then get out of religion thread because honestly what do you come in them for anyway.....If you believe a certain way....make a post and talk to others that believe the same. But please don't be so lame as to come in and put What I believe down and then expect no fight back....it just won't happen. If you said to me Debbie, that cherry plant is my god.....Thats swell you have fun praying to that cherry plant....power to ya. But you come into the threads and bash Christians, bash the bible, and bash Jesus and expect what? And please know that I know more then anyone that God, Jesus don't need me to defend them....but its not only them I am defending it's the person who might come in really seeking......thats who I do it for.

Actually its the other way around. Science is still allowed their thearys at our public schools where its against the laws to hold prayer for those who wish.

On American currency does it not say "in God we Trust" that what America was founded on.

With the removel of God also comes the removal of His protection.

I totally get what your saying creative. And I can't speak for all....only for myself. I have done much much searching and what I believe and why I believe it are from my own experiences.....I love the Lord with all my heart and soul for what he has and is doing in my life, what he does on a daily basis for myself and all in my life. I have seen many miracles that I could not longer deny him for he has revealed himself to me. He has shown me what his intentions are for my life and for that reason alone I follow.

And of course I want all to feel this way....but that is so unrealistic as it is my walk.....my relationship....and each person has to take that journey him/herself.

I also know that the Lord my God wants the news of him spread. Because he wants all to know his word....and that word is the Bible. And that means to study it daily, read it constantly and really really understand what the teachings of his living word is........And that again is a path that each has to take on his/her own...

i have the free will to do as i feel is best

yes, it is a big part of who i am ,
and has been that way since i was a child..


I choose to pray for others because i love them and want them to experience the peace and love of God that i know in my heart

and i will pray for you too, cuz that is what i want to do

Hey there Debbie,

again i just want to back you here

Amen

<<<<<<< Miles... it is undeniable that any given author writes his own acceptances down(that which lives within one). I recognize your genuine consideration, and I thank you for it... please know that it is reciprocated.

I must, in my own good faith, while in pursuit of ALL that is available that promotes increased connection to Spirit within, continue an attempt to grow, by incorporating new understanding(s)which promote peace within and thrive on good notions and principles.

As a direct result of finding wonderfully enlightening writings outside the context of the Bible, as well as within it, I have no doubt that God 'uses' many more methods than just biblical scripture. After one recognizes the ability to accurately define predictable human behaviour(s) based upon what one has been exposed to during one's life, there is a whole new understanding which must be incorporated, because it IS. So many things are known... truly known. They ARE based in fact, and can be demonstrated as such, for and as proof. Therefore, the only measure I could truly be at ease with, was finding the connection between all of the knowns, because they were.

You said: "The traits of Yahweh are the fruit of the spirit."

I could not possibly agree more... but my friend, the Spirit within me does not hate and is not jealous or vengeful or any number of other human attributes that have been attributed to God as a result of the author's need to do so. God is everywhere throughout the bible, if you can see through the fingerprint of the authors within in order to recognize what is of man and what is of not.

You said: "Either you believe the creator and do as he says for your own good. Or you do not."

How does one truly know what the creator says to do? There are any number of wonderful teachings that lead to a tremendous inner peace that are found outside biblical scriptures, as well as within. As far as what I believe, that which is good breeds good emotion and feeling, and vice-versa.

Peace be with you, my friend...>>>>>>>

Ahhhh thanks sweets.......you know who hearts you madly V.....Me thats who......


and I agree about the praying...

I pray when the Lord puts it on my heart to do so....

I have even prayed for rabbit for whatever injustice that has turned him to stone.......For the Lord God to soften his heart once more......and yes I even Love the lil rabbit-meister...

feral:

The nature of your response was wonderful... and it came through as such...

May God bless you and your endeavors.


Rapunzel:

I appreciate your consideration and prayer.

thank you dear debbie



Yes, and i love you too little rabbit- meister
and i will also pray for your heart to be softened

ohhhhh

creative soul
your reply makes me cry


thank you

i love you and i love everyone here

I don't have all the answers
but i do have a lot of love
and i have faith in and love for God

and that faith and His love for me
has carried me through great adversity


and if i can share the Light with you
i would be most grateful and happy to

Rapunzel:

God love you... WE just did ...share the light

Repunzel - I, like you, feel a great deal of freedom. I feel completly at peace with my inner self. I feel a great sense of connection between all people and all of nature. I feel the greatest sense of fulfillment in exercising my free will, to attain knowledge. To discover new things, to make new friends.

Will you then extend a prayer for me. A prayer in which I will continue to find and feel such a complete wealth of joy and fulfillment, just as I am, without a deity in my life?

Regardless, you can be sure that when I speak to the moon tonight, I will ask that it's light continue to shine in the dark to light your way.

I hope that your future continues to grant what you are so proud of - feelings of superioty over those who are not so self fulfilled as you. If that is what makes you whole, I would pray to the moon to allow it to continue for you.

As I say to all of that offer to pray for me



In return I will be thinking for you

Dear Redy...thank you for your reply,
however the last part you mentioned is not true...
I do not have feelings of superiority...


Also , since you addressed me personally,
I wonder why you are so adamant
about not wanting a deity in your life...
That is very odd to me...

i wonder if you were treated so poorly, or if you were badly burned in your heart and mind at one time or more in your life, regarding someone or something from the church that affected you so strongly & so negatively that you have chosen to go so far the other way against God & have hardened your heart as well

If you met me on the street or in another context, i think we would actually be able to share stories that may be parallel in our lives, you never know.... we might even be able to be friends ...You may be surprised to know that i haven't had the best experiences with churches....I was raised Catholic, and went to Catholic School, too...
but i choose to not be a member
of any one particular denomination ...

I could tell you stories for days what i have gone through
but i do not want those bad experiences and observations
to keep me from a close walk with my Creator...

Men will always fail, but God does not,
and just because we don't see the whole picture
does not mean that He is not in control
or that he is doing a bad job...

We just don't see the fullness of What He has planned

If you really got to know me and understand me more,
than you do, you will see that i am confident,
but not egotistical

I am part of His creation not the Creator

Christians are not perfect,
but we are forgiven and cleansed
by the shed blood of our Lord Jesus the Christ daily...
and we are His Masterpieces in progress..

I'm not rapunzel, but I will pray in my own way for you to have all that you need and all that you want to live a valuable and deserving life. A life so full of love and joy and laughter that you will be freed from all negative influences. To speak good and do good will indeed....good be received.
Light to you my dear friend. Oceans of love, stars filled with light, and mountains of joy.

Kat