~ For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, so that the human race could forever be divided between those who believe in him and those who do not.

If God so loved the world, why would he have created a religion that clearly divides people and sets them at odds against one another?

that is a nice prayer

Hello Abra...the scripture you speak of

is John 3:16

For God so loved the world
that He gave His Only begotten Son
that whoso believeth in him
should not perish
but have everlasting life

Actually - you would be much better served to re-read Wouldee's posts with understanding. He has given you the response you have requested in every manner that he knows how. All of them right on.

Gotta Serve somebody

by Mr.Bob Dylan

You may be an ambassador to England or France,
You may like to gamble, you might like to dance,
You may be the heavyweight champion of the world,
You may be a socialite with a long string of pearls

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You might be a rock 'n' roll addict prancing on the stage,
You might have drugs at your command, women in a cage,
You may be a business man or some high degree thief,
They may call you Doctor or they may call you Chief

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a state trooper, you might be a young Turk,
You may be the head of some big TV network,
You may be rich or poor, you may be blind or lame,
You may be living in another country under another name

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a construction worker working on a home,
You may be living in a mansion or you might live in a dome,
You might own guns and you might even own tanks,
You might be somebody's landlord, you might even own banks

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a preacher with your spiritual pride,
You may be a city councilman taking bribes on the side,
You may be workin' in a barbershop, you may know how to cut hair,
You may be somebody's mistress, may be somebody's heir

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

Might like to wear cotton, might like to wear silk,
Might like to drink whiskey, might like to drink milk,
You might like to eat caviar, you might like to eat bread,
You may be sleeping on the floor, sleeping in a king-sized bed

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may call me Terry, you may call me Timmy,
You may call me Bobby, you may call me Zimmy,
You may call me R.J., you may call me Ray,
You may call me anything but no matter what you say

You're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody.
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

This may sound like a romantic notion to you, but to me it doesn’t sound romantic at all.

Why should the acceptance of seeing Christ nailed to a cross cleanse you of your sins? Do two wrongs make a right somehow?

For me to accept that Jesus was nailed to a cross for my sake is the most putrid idea I can imagine. To accept that act for my sake is to condone it. I could never condone such a thing.

To me, the whole idea behind this man-made story is to make people feel guilty that Christ had already died for their sins. A perfectly sinless man died for your sins, how can you reject that???

But think of it the other way around!!!

If a perfectly healthy Jesus was standing before you next to an empty cross and there are Roman solders standing next to him with sledge hammers and spikes in their hands, would you condone that they nail him to the cross to pay for YOUR SINS????

I wouldn’t.

And the point is that if you couldn’t condone that before the fact, then there is no reason to condone it after the fact either. To accept that Jesus was nailed to a cross to pay for your sins is to condone the crucifixion.

I will never condone it. And therefore I can never accept that it was done for me. I totally reject the notion, and I’ll gladly suffer whatever the consequences might be for not condoning this horrific act in my name.

I denounce nailing Jesus to a cross for my sake.

I'm fully aware of what the Bible has to say about it.

I was just showing the absurdity of it all.

i do not agree with you Abra

not at all.

it is not absurd to me...

but he was God so it didn't hurt!

on the other hand, every time i read this thread
i see yzrabbit pleading...



and i feel sorry for the rabbit. he is constantly God forsaken!
it is a God forsaken crying shame!!

poor bunny

The statement remains Jesus is on the Cross and he says


"My God My God why have you Forsaken me"

If he is actually God how can he forsake himself?

If he is not god for that few minutes why has he forgotten that he will be god in a little while. Is it amnesia?

If he is quoting psalm 23 is he Fulfilling a prophesy or is he Just repeating a psalm that he knows will get attention.



thanks for the concern slowhand If I start talking to myself thats when you should really worry

good night everyone

night Rapunzel

good night s1owhand


there we go...i always think of Eric Clapton
when i think of slowhand

Nite rapunzel

yzrabbit. sometimes i worry. i can't help it.
it is just always forsaken!! forsaken!!

now, why can't God who is all powerful forsake him/herself?
it seems to me that would be the best way to do it!
given it is always useless to forsake oneself. nevertheless
it can be done i think - so why cant God do it?

regardless of psalm 23...

awwww...thank you Kat

good night to you too

your probably correct slowhand God in heaven could abandon himself. From my reading of genesis he does not know if he is many or few gods.

However Jesus is on earth living like a man. Supposedly bound by the laws of earth. I don't think he would use all his powers just to forsake himself. What would be the purpose?