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Now you're ad-libing. He gave his son as in he allowed it to happen. He didn't stop the roman's from crucifying Jesus. He sent his son to give us the gospel. He didn't send his son to be a burnt offering or a sacrifice. How would it have been a sacrifice or a burnt offering from the Roman's to the Father? Jesus never belonged to the Roman, he was not something they could give up for the Father. That is why it's called a sacrifice or a burnt "offering". They were giving up something of theirs, to God in showing of appreciation and trust God would take care of them regardless of the loss of food or whatever it was they sacrificed. If you can not find a specific thing said of Jesus being a burnt offering, why make such false accusations? Cowboy ...so now are you are trying to argue that God didn't give his son as a sacrifice ...because if so, I'm going to bookmark this post so let's get it on record.... did God give his only begotton son as a sacrifice ? He came to justify our sins, yes. But no not as a "sacrifice". 1 John 4:10 10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. -propitiation - Atonement -Atonement - Reparation for a wrong or injury, Reparation or expiation for sin He came to forgive out of love, not some "sacrifice". Yes Jesus did sacrifice his own life in the doing so, but not in the sense of a sacrificial animal. And with having done that, Jesus is known as the sacrificial lamb of God. Because he sacrificed his entire life to living for God, not because he was sacrificed as a burnt offering. Cowboy..you claimed Jesus commanding you to preach the gospel is the same as non-believers preaching..... No, never said that. Do you not listen Funches? Jesus told us to preach the GOSPEL. Yes the terms "preach" is the same in either preaching for God or preaching your own beliefs. But Jesus specifically instructed preaching of the gospel... so what's your point? my point is that you have placed your commands from Jesus to preach on the same level as a non-believer's debates you are supposed to be proud to preach...not try to link it to non-believers |
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did God give his only begotton son as a sacrifice ? He came to justify our sins, yes. But no not as a "sacrifice". Cowboy...I must admit that you're probably the first and only Christian that ever stated that Jesus didn't come to sacrifice himself for their sins but to "justify" them so I guess for 2000 years or more all the other Christians didn't have a clue what they were talking about Cowboy..you're the man |
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did God give his only begotton son as a sacrifice ? He came to justify our sins, yes. But no not as a "sacrifice". Cowboy...I must admit that you're probably the first and only Christian that ever stated that Jesus didn't come to sacrifice himself for their sins but to "justify" them so I guess for 2000 years or more all the other Christians didn't have a clue what they were talking about Cowboy..you're the man I've never met a person that seen Jesus as a "sacrifice" as in a sacrifice where they sacrificed lambs, goats, and so forth. |
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Now you're ad-libing. He gave his son as in he allowed it to happen. He didn't stop the roman's from crucifying Jesus. He sent his son to give us the gospel. He didn't send his son to be a burnt offering or a sacrifice. How would it have been a sacrifice or a burnt offering from the Roman's to the Father? Jesus never belonged to the Roman, he was not something they could give up for the Father. That is why it's called a sacrifice or a burnt "offering". They were giving up something of theirs, to God in showing of appreciation and trust God would take care of them regardless of the loss of food or whatever it was they sacrificed. If you can not find a specific thing said of Jesus being a burnt offering, why make such false accusations? Cowboy ...so now are you are trying to argue that God didn't give his son as a sacrifice ...because if so, I'm going to bookmark this post so let's get it on record.... did God give his only begotton son as a sacrifice ? He came to justify our sins, yes. But no not as a "sacrifice". 1 John 4:10 10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. -propitiation - Atonement -Atonement - Reparation for a wrong or injury, Reparation or expiation for sin He came to forgive out of love, not some "sacrifice". Yes Jesus did sacrifice his own life in the doing so, but not in the sense of a sacrificial animal. And with having done that, Jesus is known as the sacrificial lamb of God. Because he sacrificed his entire life to living for God, not because he was sacrificed as a burnt offering. Cowboy..you claimed Jesus commanding you to preach the gospel is the same as non-believers preaching..... No, never said that. Do you not listen Funches? Jesus told us to preach the GOSPEL. Yes the terms "preach" is the same in either preaching for God or preaching your own beliefs. But Jesus specifically instructed preaching of the gospel... so what's your point? my point is that you have placed your commands from Jesus to preach on the same level as a non-believer's debates you are supposed to be proud to preach...not try to link it to non-believers I am proud to preach, I'm not linking it with anything. What are you talking about Funches? |
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I've never met a person that seen Jesus as a "sacrifice" as in a sacrifice where they sacrificed lambs, goats, and so forth. Cowboy...in that case perhaps you never met yourself because you clearly posted that Jesus was the "sacrificial lamb of God" wouldn't that mean that you also view Jesus as a sacrifice like a lamb or goat which are burnt offerings? I can't wait to read how you will try to contradict your way out of this |
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Now you're ad-libing. He gave his son as in he allowed it to happen. He didn't stop the roman's from crucifying Jesus. He sent his son to give us the gospel. He didn't send his son to be a burnt offering or a sacrifice. How would it have been a sacrifice or a burnt offering from the Roman's to the Father? Jesus never belonged to the Roman, he was not something they could give up for the Father. That is why it's called a sacrifice or a burnt "offering". They were giving up something of theirs, to God in showing of appreciation and trust God would take care of them regardless of the loss of food or whatever it was they sacrificed. If you can not find a specific thing said of Jesus being a burnt offering, why make such false accusations? Cowboy ...so now are you are trying to argue that God didn't give his son as a sacrifice ...because if so, I'm going to bookmark this post so let's get it on record.... did God give his only begotton son as a sacrifice ? He came to justify our sins, yes. But no not as a "sacrifice". 1 John 4:10 10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. -propitiation - Atonement -Atonement - Reparation for a wrong or injury, Reparation or expiation for sin He came to forgive out of love, not some "sacrifice". Yes Jesus did sacrifice his own life in the doing so, but not in the sense of a sacrificial animal. And with having done that, Jesus is known as the sacrificial lamb of God. Because he sacrificed his entire life to living for God, not because he was sacrificed as a burnt offering. Cowboy..you claimed Jesus commanding you to preach the gospel is the same as non-believers preaching..... No, never said that. Do you not listen Funches? Jesus told us to preach the GOSPEL. Yes the terms "preach" is the same in either preaching for God or preaching your own beliefs. But Jesus specifically instructed preaching of the gospel... so what's your point? my point is that you have placed your commands from Jesus to preach on the same level as a non-believer's debates you are supposed to be proud to preach...not try to link it to non-believers I am proud to preach, I'm not linking it with anything. What are you talking about Funches? you denied for years that you were preaching, only under my strict tutelage did you finally admit that you were here in the forums preaching ...so be proud and stop linking what Jesus commanded you to do with what non-believers do |
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Now you're ad-libing. He gave his son as in he allowed it to happen. He didn't stop the roman's from crucifying Jesus. He sent his son to give us the gospel. He didn't send his son to be a burnt offering or a sacrifice. How would it have been a sacrifice or a burnt offering from the Roman's to the Father? Jesus never belonged to the Roman, he was not something they could give up for the Father. That is why it's called a sacrifice or a burnt "offering". They were giving up something of theirs, to God in showing of appreciation and trust God would take care of them regardless of the loss of food or whatever it was they sacrificed. If you can not find a specific thing said of Jesus being a burnt offering, why make such false accusations? Cowboy ...so now are you are trying to argue that God didn't give his son as a sacrifice ...because if so, I'm going to bookmark this post so let's get it on record.... did God give his only begotton son as a sacrifice ? He came to justify our sins, yes. But no not as a "sacrifice". 1 John 4:10 10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. -propitiation - Atonement -Atonement - Reparation for a wrong or injury, Reparation or expiation for sin He came to forgive out of love, not some "sacrifice". Yes Jesus did sacrifice his own life in the doing so, but not in the sense of a sacrificial animal. And with having done that, Jesus is known as the sacrificial lamb of God. Because he sacrificed his entire life to living for God, not because he was sacrificed as a burnt offering. Cowboy..you claimed Jesus commanding you to preach the gospel is the same as non-believers preaching..... No, never said that. Do you not listen Funches? Jesus told us to preach the GOSPEL. Yes the terms "preach" is the same in either preaching for God or preaching your own beliefs. But Jesus specifically instructed preaching of the gospel... so what's your point? my point is that you have placed your commands from Jesus to preach on the same level as a non-believer's debates you are supposed to be proud to preach...not try to link it to non-believers I am proud to preach, I'm not linking it with anything. What are you talking about Funches? you denied for years that you were preaching, only under my strict tutelage did you finally admit that you were here in the forums preaching ...so be proud and stop linking what Jesus commanded you to do with what non-believers do ??? You've done nothing there, sorry to burst your bubble bro. But it changed once I looked up the definition for preaching. Preaching in the sense of just coming for giving sermons and not specifically "discussion" is quite possibly against the rules of the forum. Thus why I refuted that at first until I looked at the definition of it and found that it only means to share one's beliefs. |
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I've never met a person that seen Jesus as a "sacrifice" as in a sacrifice where they sacrificed lambs, goats, and so forth. Cowboy...in that case perhaps you never met yourself because you clearly posted that Jesus was the "sacrificial lamb of God" wouldn't that mean that you also view Jesus as a sacrifice like a lamb or goat which are burnt offerings? I can't wait to read how you will try to contradict your way out of this Again, you're not listening. Jesus sacrificed his ENTIRE life giving us the new covenant. He didn't live for himself, he lived for you. Then in the end he died for you, went through the humiliation, the pain emotional and physical for you. But he wasn't a sacrifice in the sense of the old covenant where they had to sacrifice animals to receive forgiveness. Jesus fulfilled that covenant, that covenant had no power anymore. Thus why he was giving us the new covenant and the no need for a sacrificial animal to receive forgiveness. |
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??? You've done nothing there, sorry to burst your bubble bro. But it changed once I looked up the definition for preaching. Cowboy...why would the definition matter...Jesus commanded you to preach the gospel and for years you denied that you were here in the forums to preach now you as a Christian and an Adult is trying to blame the public school system for you not knowing the definition of the word "preach" and instead of running to Jesus or the bible to find out what Jesus commanded you to do you instead ran to Satan's dictionary do you really expect anyone to believe that? this is why it's only due to you being under my relentless discipline did you finally admit that you were here preaching... |
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I've never met a person that seen Jesus as a "sacrifice" as in a sacrifice where they sacrificed lambs, goats, and so forth. Cowboy...in that case perhaps you never met yourself because you clearly posted that Jesus was the "sacrificial lamb of God" wouldn't that mean that you also view Jesus as a sacrifice like a lamb or goat which are burnt offerings? I can't wait to read how you will try to contradict your way out of this Again, you're not listening. Jesus sacrificed his ENTIRE life giving us the new covenant. He didn't live for himself, he lived for you. Then in the end he died for you, went through the humiliation, the pain emotional and physical for you. But he wasn't a sacrifice in the sense of the old covenant where they had to sacrifice animals to receive forgiveness. Jesus fulfilled that covenant, that covenant had no power anymore. Thus why he was giving us the new covenant and the no need for a sacrificial animal to receive forgiveness. Cowboy...didn't the bible claim that Jesus was led like a lamb to be slaughter ...and didn't you yourself claimed that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of God... but now you are trying to deny that Jesus was a sacrificial lamb, because you know that a sacrificial lamb is a burnt offering since the bible claim that Jesus was the lamb of God, then I have to either believe you or what is written in the bible choices choices and this is why Jesus was a sacrificial lamb offered by God as a burnt offering to Caesar |
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??? You've done nothing there, sorry to burst your bubble bro. But it changed once I looked up the definition for preaching. Cowboy...why would the definition matter...Jesus commanded you to preach the gospel and for years you denied that you were here in the forums to preach now you as a Christian and an Adult is trying to blame the public school system for you not knowing the definition of the word "preach" and instead of running to Jesus or the bible to find out what Jesus commanded you to do you instead ran to Satan's dictionary do you really expect anyone to believe that? this is why it's only due to you being under my relentless discipline did you finally admit that you were here preaching... Cowboy...why would the definition matter...Jesus commanded you to preach the gospel and for years you denied that you were here in the forums to preach Ah, but he did not instruct to go to Mingle2 and preach. Thus I refuted the preaching in the sense you presented it as it's against the rules of the forum and that's not what I was here to do. I was here expressing/sharing my beliefs, and come to find out that's exactly what preaching ment. |
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I've never met a person that seen Jesus as a "sacrifice" as in a sacrifice where they sacrificed lambs, goats, and so forth. Cowboy...in that case perhaps you never met yourself because you clearly posted that Jesus was the "sacrificial lamb of God" wouldn't that mean that you also view Jesus as a sacrifice like a lamb or goat which are burnt offerings? I can't wait to read how you will try to contradict your way out of this Again, you're not listening. Jesus sacrificed his ENTIRE life giving us the new covenant. He didn't live for himself, he lived for you. Then in the end he died for you, went through the humiliation, the pain emotional and physical for you. But he wasn't a sacrifice in the sense of the old covenant where they had to sacrifice animals to receive forgiveness. Jesus fulfilled that covenant, that covenant had no power anymore. Thus why he was giving us the new covenant and the no need for a sacrificial animal to receive forgiveness. Cowboy...didn't the bible claim that Jesus was led like a lamb to be slaughter ...and didn't you yourself claimed that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of God... but now you are trying to deny that Jesus was a sacrificial lamb, because you know that a sacrificial lamb is a burnt offering since the bible claim that Jesus was the lamb of God, then I have to either believe you or what is written in the bible choices choices and this is why Jesus was a sacrificial lamb offered by God as a burnt offering to Caesar Ah, but it is not a burnt offering. Jesus was not set on fire. He was crucified then burried, and spent three days and 3 nights in the heart of the Earth like Jona was 3 days in the belly of a wale. |
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Ah, but he did not instruct to go to Mingle2 and preach. Thus I refuted the preaching in the sense you presented it as it's against the rules of the forum and that's not what I was here to do. I was here expressing/sharing my beliefs, and come to find out that's exactly what preaching ment. Cowboy...Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel ... I must admit that some of us on Mingle2 are a little strange but are you trying to claim that Mingle2 is not part of the world? it's amazing that you are trying to blame Mingle2 as to why you won't follow Jesus command to preach |
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Ah, but he did not instruct to go to Mingle2 and preach. Thus I refuted the preaching in the sense you presented it as it's against the rules of the forum and that's not what I was here to do. I was here expressing/sharing my beliefs, and come to find out that's exactly what preaching ment. Cowboy...Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel ... I must admit that some of us on Mingle2 are a little strange but are you trying to claim that Mingle2 is not part of the world? it's amazing that you are trying to blame Mingle2 as to why you won't follow Jesus command to preach ??? You come up with the strangest of things Funches. Yes God told us to preach it to the nations. But again, you were saying I was preaching as in delivering a sermon. And that is against the mingle2 forum rules more then likely. This is the last thing that will be posted on this nonesense. |
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Ah, but it is not a burnt offering. Jesus was not set on fire. He was crucified then burried, and spent three days and 3 nights in the heart of the Earth like Jona was 3 days in the belly of a wale. didn't Jesus spend those 3 days in Hell? took God three days to burnt him just right ... and before you go into how Hell doesn't have fire...the term "hell fire" is in the bible |
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Ah, but he did not instruct to go to Mingle2 and preach. Thus I refuted the preaching in the sense you presented it as it's against the rules of the forum and that's not what I was here to do. I was here expressing/sharing my beliefs, and come to find out that's exactly what preaching ment. Cowboy...Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel ... I must admit that some of us on Mingle2 are a little strange but are you trying to claim that Mingle2 is not part of the world? it's amazing that you are trying to blame Mingle2 as to why you won't follow Jesus command to preach ??? You come up with the strangest of things Funches. Yes God told us to preach it to the nations. But again, you were saying I was preaching as in delivering a sermon. And that is against the mingle2 forum rules more then likely. This is the last thing that will be posted on this nonesense. Cowboy..since all Christians are commanded to preach the gospel...why would preaching to all nations be any different than preaching a sermon ...how can you do one without doing the other as for preaching being against the forum rules or not...shouldn't you find out instead of opting to not following the commands of Jesus |
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Ah, but it is not a burnt offering. Jesus was not set on fire. He was crucified then burried, and spent three days and 3 nights in the heart of the Earth like Jona was 3 days in the belly of a wale. didn't Jesus spend those 3 days in Hell? took God three days to burnt him just right ... and before you go into how Hell doesn't have fire...the term "hell fire" is in the bible Yes he did spend 3 days in the heart of the Earth. But he was not set on fire to get there eg., a burnt offering. Nor is there any evidence that he was burnt while he was in there. And the father had nothing specifically to do with this. What are you talking about Funches? |
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Ah, but it is not a burnt offering. Jesus was not set on fire. He was crucified then burried, and spent three days and 3 nights in the heart of the Earth like Jona was 3 days in the belly of a wale. didn't Jesus spend those 3 days in Hell? took God three days to burnt him just right ... and before you go into how Hell doesn't have fire...the term "hell fire" is in the bible Yes he did spend 3 days in the heart of the Earth. But he was not set on fire to get there eg., a burnt offering. Nor is there any evidence that he was burnt while he was in there. And the father had nothing specifically to do with this. What are you talking about Funches? how could Jesus get into Hell if the Father didn't put him there?....how could Jesus do anything without The Father so now explain how The Father had nothing specifically to do with it |
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Ah, but it is not a burnt offering. Jesus was not set on fire. He was crucified then burried, and spent three days and 3 nights in the heart of the Earth like Jona was 3 days in the belly of a wale. didn't Jesus spend those 3 days in Hell? took God three days to burnt him just right ... and before you go into how Hell doesn't have fire...the term "hell fire" is in the bible Yes he did spend 3 days in the heart of the Earth. But he was not set on fire to get there eg., a burnt offering. Nor is there any evidence that he was burnt while he was in there. And the father had nothing specifically to do with this. What are you talking about Funches? how could Jesus get into Hell if the Father didn't put him there?....how could Jesus do anything without The Father so now explain how The Father had nothing specifically to do with it You do realize, Jesus is the judge right? Jesus is the one whom sends people or saves people from hell. |
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Ah, but it is not a burnt offering. Jesus was not set on fire. He was crucified then burried, and spent three days and 3 nights in the heart of the Earth like Jona was 3 days in the belly of a wale. didn't Jesus spend those 3 days in Hell? took God three days to burnt him just right ... and before you go into how Hell doesn't have fire...the term "hell fire" is in the bible Yes he did spend 3 days in the heart of the Earth. But he was not set on fire to get there eg., a burnt offering. Nor is there any evidence that he was burnt while he was in there. And the father had nothing specifically to do with this. What are you talking about Funches? how could Jesus get into Hell if the Father didn't put him there?....how could Jesus do anything without The Father so now explain how The Father had nothing specifically to do with it You do realize, Jesus is the judge right? Jesus is the one whom sends people or saves people from hell. Jesus can judge and save all he wants to but it was the Father place his apse in Hell ... |
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