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Sat 08/04/12 09:35 AM





Render - to do; perform:

Rendering has absolutely nothing with "giving" anything to anyone. It is obedience. That is why it is said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. We are also told to obey man's law... the two are saying the same thing.


either way you try to spin it, Jesus your God gave obedience and tribute to Caesar ..


Yes he became obedient to the flesh.


and now you understand why Caesar was Lord God


how does that make Caesar Lord God?


your God payed Tribute to Caesar ...stop acting dense

CowboyGH's photo
Sat 08/04/12 09:36 AM







When I spoke about spanking a child, I did not make a reference to the scriptures, that was PURELY on my behalf.


Cowboy...sorry but when it comes to Christians striking children, it has to be in reference to Scripture and the New Covenant ...or why else would you as a Christian be in favor of striking Children

The Teachings of Jesus are the way that all Christians have to follow and live by as it supposedly pave a way to God.....so which of these teachings of Jesus are you and those Christian parents that strike their children following?

if you can not find any teachings of Jesus that advocate striking Children ....then it comes down to three options

1...Christians parents that strike their children have mental issues
2...Jesus didn't change the laws of stoning children to death
3...Christians that strike children are doing the works of Satan


Incorrect. It's called falling short of the glory of God, making mistakes.



Cowboy...so you are now admitting that you and Christian parents that strike/spank their children are making mistakes and falling short of the glory of God?

through out this entire thread you were claiming that it was ok for Christian parents to spank/strike a child as discipline and now you are claiming spanking/striking children are mistakes and against the glory of God

it's amazing how so easily you can be manipulated from your Faith...but this time I had to get you to see the light ,,,can I get a witness?

but anyway it would be pretty cool if MsHarmony showed up now since she was also claiming that it's ok for herself as a Christian to strike her children

I was wondering where were you guys were getting violence against Children from if not from The Teachings of Jesus....

mental issues perhaps?


No I don't spank my child, I don't have a child. Different kids need different ways of being raised, not every child learns from being whooped, not all kids can be lovingly showed the way without physical punishment.

There is no specific information on "spanking" a child.

Hebrews 12:6-7
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for
what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Chastise - to inflict punishment on (as by whipping


Cowboy...if Jesus supposedly gave new laws then why are you presenting old laws from Hebrews which is from The Old Testament?....


all I can say is BUSTED .....

by you posting Old Laws from Hebrews is an indication that those stoning unruly children laws still exist for you and Christian parents





??? What are you talking about? Hebrews is in the new testament.


And just because it's in the BOOK of "Hebrews" doesn't mean it was only intended for the Hebrews.

CowboyGH's photo
Sat 08/04/12 09:37 AM






Render - to do; perform:

Rendering has absolutely nothing with "giving" anything to anyone. It is obedience. That is why it is said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. We are also told to obey man's law... the two are saying the same thing.


either way you try to spin it, Jesus your God gave obedience and tribute to Caesar ..


Yes he became obedient to the flesh.


and now you understand why Caesar was Lord God


how does that make Caesar Lord God?


your God payed Tribute to Caesar ...stop acting dense


So? How does that make him Lord God?

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Sat 08/04/12 10:33 AM







When I spoke about spanking a child, I did not make a reference to the scriptures, that was PURELY on my behalf.


Cowboy...sorry but when it comes to Christians striking children, it has to be in reference to Scripture and the New Covenant ...or why else would you as a Christian be in favor of striking Children

The Teachings of Jesus are the way that all Christians have to follow and live by as it supposedly pave a way to God.....so which of these teachings of Jesus are you and those Christian parents that strike their children following?

if you can not find any teachings of Jesus that advocate striking Children ....then it comes down to three options

1...Christians parents that strike their children have mental issues
2...Jesus didn't change the laws of stoning children to death
3...Christians that strike children are doing the works of Satan


Incorrect. It's called falling short of the glory of God, making mistakes.



Cowboy...so you are now admitting that you and Christian parents that strike/spank their children are making mistakes and falling short of the glory of God?

through out this entire thread you were claiming that it was ok for Christian parents to spank/strike a child as discipline and now you are claiming spanking/striking children are mistakes and against the glory of God

it's amazing how so easily you can be manipulated from your Faith...but this time I had to get you to see the light ,,,can I get a witness?

but anyway it would be pretty cool if MsHarmony showed up now since she was also claiming that it's ok for herself as a Christian to strike her children

I was wondering where were you guys were getting violence against Children from if not from The Teachings of Jesus....

mental issues perhaps?


No I don't spank my child, I don't have a child. Different kids need different ways of being raised, not every child learns from being whooped, not all kids can be lovingly showed the way without physical punishment.

There is no specific information on "spanking" a child.

Hebrews 12:6-7
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for
what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Chastise - to inflict punishment on (as by whipping


Cowboy...if Jesus supposedly gave new laws then why are you presenting old laws from Hebrews which is from The Old Testament?....


all I can say is BUSTED .....

by you posting Old Laws from Hebrews is an indication that those stoning unruly children laws still exist for you and Christian parents





??? What are you talking about? Hebrews is in the new testament.


Hebrews is an attempt to link The Old Testament with The New Testament ...which is why if you want to use Hebrews then those stoning laws still apply

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Sat 08/04/12 10:36 AM







Render - to do; perform:

Rendering has absolutely nothing with "giving" anything to anyone. It is obedience. That is why it is said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. We are also told to obey man's law... the two are saying the same thing.


either way you try to spin it, Jesus your God gave obedience and tribute to Caesar ..


Yes he became obedient to the flesh.


and now you understand why Caesar was Lord God


how does that make Caesar Lord God?


your God payed Tribute to Caesar ...stop acting dense


So? How does that make him Lord God?


remember..you were supposed to stop acting dense

CowboyGH's photo
Sat 08/04/12 10:42 AM








When I spoke about spanking a child, I did not make a reference to the scriptures, that was PURELY on my behalf.


Cowboy...sorry but when it comes to Christians striking children, it has to be in reference to Scripture and the New Covenant ...or why else would you as a Christian be in favor of striking Children

The Teachings of Jesus are the way that all Christians have to follow and live by as it supposedly pave a way to God.....so which of these teachings of Jesus are you and those Christian parents that strike their children following?

if you can not find any teachings of Jesus that advocate striking Children ....then it comes down to three options

1...Christians parents that strike their children have mental issues
2...Jesus didn't change the laws of stoning children to death
3...Christians that strike children are doing the works of Satan


Incorrect. It's called falling short of the glory of God, making mistakes.



Cowboy...so you are now admitting that you and Christian parents that strike/spank their children are making mistakes and falling short of the glory of God?

through out this entire thread you were claiming that it was ok for Christian parents to spank/strike a child as discipline and now you are claiming spanking/striking children are mistakes and against the glory of God

it's amazing how so easily you can be manipulated from your Faith...but this time I had to get you to see the light ,,,can I get a witness?

but anyway it would be pretty cool if MsHarmony showed up now since she was also claiming that it's ok for herself as a Christian to strike her children

I was wondering where were you guys were getting violence against Children from if not from The Teachings of Jesus....

mental issues perhaps?


No I don't spank my child, I don't have a child. Different kids need different ways of being raised, not every child learns from being whooped, not all kids can be lovingly showed the way without physical punishment.

There is no specific information on "spanking" a child.

Hebrews 12:6-7
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for
what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Chastise - to inflict punishment on (as by whipping


Cowboy...if Jesus supposedly gave new laws then why are you presenting old laws from Hebrews which is from The Old Testament?....


all I can say is BUSTED .....

by you posting Old Laws from Hebrews is an indication that those stoning unruly children laws still exist for you and Christian parents





??? What are you talking about? Hebrews is in the new testament.


Hebrews is an attempt to link The Old Testament with The New Testament ...which is why if you want to use Hebrews then those stoning laws still apply



???? What in the world are you talking about? There is no linking the two, stoning doesn't still apply. No one said anything about stoning their child, spanking and stoning are two totally different things.

CowboyGH's photo
Sat 08/04/12 10:44 AM








Render - to do; perform:

Rendering has absolutely nothing with "giving" anything to anyone. It is obedience. That is why it is said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. We are also told to obey man's law... the two are saying the same thing.


either way you try to spin it, Jesus your God gave obedience and tribute to Caesar ..


Yes he became obedient to the flesh.


and now you understand why Caesar was Lord God


how does that make Caesar Lord God?


your God payed Tribute to Caesar ...stop acting dense


So? How does that make him Lord God?


remember..you were supposed to stop acting dense


Not acting dense. Where is Caesar referred to as Lord God or even linked with one another?

Jesus is referred to as God in many places and also referred to as Lord in many places, thus we have LORD God. So show me where it even remotely refers to Caesar as LORD God.

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Sat 08/04/12 11:00 AM









When I spoke about spanking a child, I did not make a reference to the scriptures, that was PURELY on my behalf.


Cowboy...sorry but when it comes to Christians striking children, it has to be in reference to Scripture and the New Covenant ...or why else would you as a Christian be in favor of striking Children

The Teachings of Jesus are the way that all Christians have to follow and live by as it supposedly pave a way to God.....so which of these teachings of Jesus are you and those Christian parents that strike their children following?

if you can not find any teachings of Jesus that advocate striking Children ....then it comes down to three options

1...Christians parents that strike their children have mental issues
2...Jesus didn't change the laws of stoning children to death
3...Christians that strike children are doing the works of Satan


Incorrect. It's called falling short of the glory of God, making mistakes.



Cowboy...so you are now admitting that you and Christian parents that strike/spank their children are making mistakes and falling short of the glory of God?

through out this entire thread you were claiming that it was ok for Christian parents to spank/strike a child as discipline and now you are claiming spanking/striking children are mistakes and against the glory of God

it's amazing how so easily you can be manipulated from your Faith...but this time I had to get you to see the light ,,,can I get a witness?

but anyway it would be pretty cool if MsHarmony showed up now since she was also claiming that it's ok for herself as a Christian to strike her children

I was wondering where were you guys were getting violence against Children from if not from The Teachings of Jesus....

mental issues perhaps?


No I don't spank my child, I don't have a child. Different kids need different ways of being raised, not every child learns from being whooped, not all kids can be lovingly showed the way without physical punishment.

There is no specific information on "spanking" a child.

Hebrews 12:6-7
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for
what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Chastise - to inflict punishment on (as by whipping


Cowboy...if Jesus supposedly gave new laws then why are you presenting old laws from Hebrews which is from The Old Testament?....


all I can say is BUSTED .....

by you posting Old Laws from Hebrews is an indication that those stoning unruly children laws still exist for you and Christian parents





??? What are you talking about? Hebrews is in the new testament.


Hebrews is an attempt to link The Old Testament with The New Testament ...which is why if you want to use Hebrews then those stoning laws still apply



???? What in the world are you talking about? There is no linking the two, stoning doesn't still apply. No one said anything about stoning their child, spanking and stoning are two totally different things.


Cowboy the passage you presented from "Hebrews 12:6" was taken from "Proverbs 13:24" from The Old Testament

during the times of Proverb the stoning laws still applied ...thanks for proving my point that Christian still are required to stone their unruly children

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Sat 08/04/12 11:04 AM









Render - to do; perform:

Rendering has absolutely nothing with "giving" anything to anyone. It is obedience. That is why it is said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. We are also told to obey man's law... the two are saying the same thing.


either way you try to spin it, Jesus your God gave obedience and tribute to Caesar ..


Yes he became obedient to the flesh.


and now you understand why Caesar was Lord God


how does that make Caesar Lord God?


your God payed Tribute to Caesar ...stop acting dense


So? How does that make him Lord God?


remember..you were supposed to stop acting dense


Not acting dense. Where is Caesar referred to as Lord God or even linked with one another?

Jesus is referred to as God in many places and also referred to as Lord in many places, thus we have LORD God. So show me where it even remotely refers to Caesar as LORD God.


now you're acting denser ....

CowboyGH's photo
Sat 08/04/12 11:04 AM










When I spoke about spanking a child, I did not make a reference to the scriptures, that was PURELY on my behalf.


Cowboy...sorry but when it comes to Christians striking children, it has to be in reference to Scripture and the New Covenant ...or why else would you as a Christian be in favor of striking Children

The Teachings of Jesus are the way that all Christians have to follow and live by as it supposedly pave a way to God.....so which of these teachings of Jesus are you and those Christian parents that strike their children following?

if you can not find any teachings of Jesus that advocate striking Children ....then it comes down to three options

1...Christians parents that strike their children have mental issues
2...Jesus didn't change the laws of stoning children to death
3...Christians that strike children are doing the works of Satan


Incorrect. It's called falling short of the glory of God, making mistakes.



Cowboy...so you are now admitting that you and Christian parents that strike/spank their children are making mistakes and falling short of the glory of God?

through out this entire thread you were claiming that it was ok for Christian parents to spank/strike a child as discipline and now you are claiming spanking/striking children are mistakes and against the glory of God

it's amazing how so easily you can be manipulated from your Faith...but this time I had to get you to see the light ,,,can I get a witness?

but anyway it would be pretty cool if MsHarmony showed up now since she was also claiming that it's ok for herself as a Christian to strike her children

I was wondering where were you guys were getting violence against Children from if not from The Teachings of Jesus....

mental issues perhaps?


No I don't spank my child, I don't have a child. Different kids need different ways of being raised, not every child learns from being whooped, not all kids can be lovingly showed the way without physical punishment.

There is no specific information on "spanking" a child.

Hebrews 12:6-7
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for
what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Chastise - to inflict punishment on (as by whipping


Cowboy...if Jesus supposedly gave new laws then why are you presenting old laws from Hebrews which is from The Old Testament?....


all I can say is BUSTED .....

by you posting Old Laws from Hebrews is an indication that those stoning unruly children laws still exist for you and Christian parents





??? What are you talking about? Hebrews is in the new testament.


Hebrews is an attempt to link The Old Testament with The New Testament ...which is why if you want to use Hebrews then those stoning laws still apply



???? What in the world are you talking about? There is no linking the two, stoning doesn't still apply. No one said anything about stoning their child, spanking and stoning are two totally different things.


Cowboy the passage you presented from "Hebrews 12:6" was taken from "Proverbs 13:24" from The Old Testament

during the times of Proverb the stoning laws still applied ...thanks for proving my point that Christian still are required to stone their unruly children


No, was taken from Hebrews.

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Sat 08/04/12 11:09 AM











When I spoke about spanking a child, I did not make a reference to the scriptures, that was PURELY on my behalf.


Cowboy...sorry but when it comes to Christians striking children, it has to be in reference to Scripture and the New Covenant ...or why else would you as a Christian be in favor of striking Children

The Teachings of Jesus are the way that all Christians have to follow and live by as it supposedly pave a way to God.....so which of these teachings of Jesus are you and those Christian parents that strike their children following?

if you can not find any teachings of Jesus that advocate striking Children ....then it comes down to three options

1...Christians parents that strike their children have mental issues
2...Jesus didn't change the laws of stoning children to death
3...Christians that strike children are doing the works of Satan


Incorrect. It's called falling short of the glory of God, making mistakes.



Cowboy...so you are now admitting that you and Christian parents that strike/spank their children are making mistakes and falling short of the glory of God?

through out this entire thread you were claiming that it was ok for Christian parents to spank/strike a child as discipline and now you are claiming spanking/striking children are mistakes and against the glory of God

it's amazing how so easily you can be manipulated from your Faith...but this time I had to get you to see the light ,,,can I get a witness?

but anyway it would be pretty cool if MsHarmony showed up now since she was also claiming that it's ok for herself as a Christian to strike her children

I was wondering where were you guys were getting violence against Children from if not from The Teachings of Jesus....

mental issues perhaps?


No I don't spank my child, I don't have a child. Different kids need different ways of being raised, not every child learns from being whooped, not all kids can be lovingly showed the way without physical punishment.

There is no specific information on "spanking" a child.

Hebrews 12:6-7
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for
what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Chastise - to inflict punishment on (as by whipping


Cowboy...if Jesus supposedly gave new laws then why are you presenting old laws from Hebrews which is from The Old Testament?....


all I can say is BUSTED .....

by you posting Old Laws from Hebrews is an indication that those stoning unruly children laws still exist for you and Christian parents





??? What are you talking about? Hebrews is in the new testament.


Hebrews is an attempt to link The Old Testament with The New Testament ...which is why if you want to use Hebrews then those stoning laws still apply



???? What in the world are you talking about? There is no linking the two, stoning doesn't still apply. No one said anything about stoning their child, spanking and stoning are two totally different things.


Cowboy the passage you presented from "Hebrews 12:6" was taken from "Proverbs 13:24" from The Old Testament

during the times of Proverb the stoning laws still applied ...thanks for proving my point that Christian still are required to stone their unruly children


No, was taken from Hebrews.



stop being a lazy Christian and look it up


CowboyGH's photo
Sat 08/04/12 11:15 AM












When I spoke about spanking a child, I did not make a reference to the scriptures, that was PURELY on my behalf.


Cowboy...sorry but when it comes to Christians striking children, it has to be in reference to Scripture and the New Covenant ...or why else would you as a Christian be in favor of striking Children

The Teachings of Jesus are the way that all Christians have to follow and live by as it supposedly pave a way to God.....so which of these teachings of Jesus are you and those Christian parents that strike their children following?

if you can not find any teachings of Jesus that advocate striking Children ....then it comes down to three options

1...Christians parents that strike their children have mental issues
2...Jesus didn't change the laws of stoning children to death
3...Christians that strike children are doing the works of Satan


Incorrect. It's called falling short of the glory of God, making mistakes.



Cowboy...so you are now admitting that you and Christian parents that strike/spank their children are making mistakes and falling short of the glory of God?

through out this entire thread you were claiming that it was ok for Christian parents to spank/strike a child as discipline and now you are claiming spanking/striking children are mistakes and against the glory of God

it's amazing how so easily you can be manipulated from your Faith...but this time I had to get you to see the light ,,,can I get a witness?

but anyway it would be pretty cool if MsHarmony showed up now since she was also claiming that it's ok for herself as a Christian to strike her children

I was wondering where were you guys were getting violence against Children from if not from The Teachings of Jesus....

mental issues perhaps?


No I don't spank my child, I don't have a child. Different kids need different ways of being raised, not every child learns from being whooped, not all kids can be lovingly showed the way without physical punishment.

There is no specific information on "spanking" a child.

Hebrews 12:6-7
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for
what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Chastise - to inflict punishment on (as by whipping


Cowboy...if Jesus supposedly gave new laws then why are you presenting old laws from Hebrews which is from The Old Testament?....


all I can say is BUSTED .....

by you posting Old Laws from Hebrews is an indication that those stoning unruly children laws still exist for you and Christian parents





??? What are you talking about? Hebrews is in the new testament.


Hebrews is an attempt to link The Old Testament with The New Testament ...which is why if you want to use Hebrews then those stoning laws still apply



???? What in the world are you talking about? There is no linking the two, stoning doesn't still apply. No one said anything about stoning their child, spanking and stoning are two totally different things.


Cowboy the passage you presented from "Hebrews 12:6" was taken from "Proverbs 13:24" from The Old Testament

during the times of Proverb the stoning laws still applied ...thanks for proving my point that Christian still are required to stone their unruly children


No, was taken from Hebrews.



stop being a lazy Christian and look it up




Look what up? I know the verse. How was the Hebrews verse "taken" from the proverbs verse?

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Sat 08/04/12 11:41 AM













When I spoke about spanking a child, I did not make a reference to the scriptures, that was PURELY on my behalf.


Cowboy...sorry but when it comes to Christians striking children, it has to be in reference to Scripture and the New Covenant ...or why else would you as a Christian be in favor of striking Children

The Teachings of Jesus are the way that all Christians have to follow and live by as it supposedly pave a way to God.....so which of these teachings of Jesus are you and those Christian parents that strike their children following?

if you can not find any teachings of Jesus that advocate striking Children ....then it comes down to three options

1...Christians parents that strike their children have mental issues
2...Jesus didn't change the laws of stoning children to death
3...Christians that strike children are doing the works of Satan


Incorrect. It's called falling short of the glory of God, making mistakes.



Cowboy...so you are now admitting that you and Christian parents that strike/spank their children are making mistakes and falling short of the glory of God?

through out this entire thread you were claiming that it was ok for Christian parents to spank/strike a child as discipline and now you are claiming spanking/striking children are mistakes and against the glory of God

it's amazing how so easily you can be manipulated from your Faith...but this time I had to get you to see the light ,,,can I get a witness?

but anyway it would be pretty cool if MsHarmony showed up now since she was also claiming that it's ok for herself as a Christian to strike her children

I was wondering where were you guys were getting violence against Children from if not from The Teachings of Jesus....

mental issues perhaps?


No I don't spank my child, I don't have a child. Different kids need different ways of being raised, not every child learns from being whooped, not all kids can be lovingly showed the way without physical punishment.

There is no specific information on "spanking" a child.

Hebrews 12:6-7
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for
what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Chastise - to inflict punishment on (as by whipping


Cowboy...if Jesus supposedly gave new laws then why are you presenting old laws from Hebrews which is from The Old Testament?....


all I can say is BUSTED .....

by you posting Old Laws from Hebrews is an indication that those stoning unruly children laws still exist for you and Christian parents





??? What are you talking about? Hebrews is in the new testament.


Hebrews is an attempt to link The Old Testament with The New Testament ...which is why if you want to use Hebrews then those stoning laws still apply



???? What in the world are you talking about? There is no linking the two, stoning doesn't still apply. No one said anything about stoning their child, spanking and stoning are two totally different things.


Cowboy the passage you presented from "Hebrews 12:6" was taken from "Proverbs 13:24" from The Old Testament

during the times of Proverb the stoning laws still applied ...thanks for proving my point that Christian still are required to stone their unruly children


No, was taken from Hebrews.



stop being a lazy Christian and look it up




Look what up? I know the verse. How was the Hebrews verse "taken" from the proverbs verse?


the author "google cut and paste" it

but anyway you now know that the stoning laws exist today ..except stoning children to Death is against Man's law...not God's law

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Sat 08/04/12 12:11 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Sat 08/04/12 12:12 PM














When I spoke about spanking a child, I did not make a reference to the scriptures, that was PURELY on my behalf.


Cowboy...sorry but when it comes to Christians striking children, it has to be in reference to Scripture and the New Covenant ...or why else would you as a Christian be in favor of striking Children

The Teachings of Jesus are the way that all Christians have to follow and live by as it supposedly pave a way to God.....so which of these teachings of Jesus are you and those Christian parents that strike their children following?

if you can not find any teachings of Jesus that advocate striking Children ....then it comes down to three options

1...Christians parents that strike their children have mental issues
2...Jesus didn't change the laws of stoning children to death
3...Christians that strike children are doing the works of Satan


Incorrect. It's called falling short of the glory of God, making mistakes.



Cowboy...so you are now admitting that you and Christian parents that strike/spank their children are making mistakes and falling short of the glory of God?

through out this entire thread you were claiming that it was ok for Christian parents to spank/strike a child as discipline and now you are claiming spanking/striking children are mistakes and against the glory of God

it's amazing how so easily you can be manipulated from your Faith...but this time I had to get you to see the light ,,,can I get a witness?

but anyway it would be pretty cool if MsHarmony showed up now since she was also claiming that it's ok for herself as a Christian to strike her children

I was wondering where were you guys were getting violence against Children from if not from The Teachings of Jesus....

mental issues perhaps?


No I don't spank my child, I don't have a child. Different kids need different ways of being raised, not every child learns from being whooped, not all kids can be lovingly showed the way without physical punishment.

There is no specific information on "spanking" a child.

Hebrews 12:6-7
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for
what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Chastise - to inflict punishment on (as by whipping


Cowboy...if Jesus supposedly gave new laws then why are you presenting old laws from Hebrews which is from The Old Testament?....


all I can say is BUSTED .....

by you posting Old Laws from Hebrews is an indication that those stoning unruly children laws still exist for you and Christian parents





??? What are you talking about? Hebrews is in the new testament.


Hebrews is an attempt to link The Old Testament with The New Testament ...which is why if you want to use Hebrews then those stoning laws still apply



???? What in the world are you talking about? There is no linking the two, stoning doesn't still apply. No one said anything about stoning their child, spanking and stoning are two totally different things.


Cowboy the passage you presented from "Hebrews 12:6" was taken from "Proverbs 13:24" from The Old Testament

during the times of Proverb the stoning laws still applied ...thanks for proving my point that Christian still are required to stone their unruly children


No, was taken from Hebrews.



stop being a lazy Christian and look it up




Look what up? I know the verse. How was the Hebrews verse "taken" from the proverbs verse?


the author "google cut and paste" it

but anyway you now know that the stoning laws exist today ..except stoning children to Death is against Man's law...not God's law



??? Please to solve this right now, show where it says it's ok to stone someone, this verse has to be from the new testament, as the old is fulfilled, completed, finished, obsolete. I can show you many that are against it.

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Sat 08/04/12 04:25 PM

??? Please to solve this right now, show where it says it's ok to stone someone, this verse has to be from the new testament, as the old is fulfilled, completed, finished, obsolete. I can show you many that are against it.


sure no problem

POSTED BY JESUS:
Matthew 15:4

For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.


the passage above provides proof that even Jesus approves of stoning unruly children to death and also provides proof that your theory about Jesus full filling laws is nothing more than nonsense...

so now you know that a good Christians would stone their bad children

so Cowboy.. is the mystery solved now?

these Perry Mason moments is what makes it all worthwhile

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Sat 08/04/12 05:19 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Sat 08/04/12 05:26 PM


??? Please to solve this right now, show where it says it's ok to stone someone, this verse has to be from the new testament, as the old is fulfilled, completed, finished, obsolete. I can show you many that are against it.


sure no problem

POSTED BY JESUS:
Matthew 15:4

For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.


the passage above provides proof that even Jesus approves of stoning unruly children to death and also provides proof that your theory about Jesus full filling laws is nothing more than nonsense...

so now you know that a good Christians would stone their bad children

so Cowboy.. is the mystery solved now?

these Perry Mason moments is what makes it all worthwhile


Again Funches. Do no take verses out of context lol. Here's the surrounding verses to place it in context and understand what is being said.


Matthew 15

1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,

2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

the stoning was not an instruction, he was saying that's what they been told. He was saying it was wrong, he wasn't instructing them to do so. But agan A for effort.


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Sun 08/05/12 06:28 AM

the stoning was not an instruction,


Cowboy...Jesus clearly stated in those passages that stoning was a "Command" from God

Jesus was to frighten to dare suggest to anyone to ignore a command from God or that a command from God was wrong ...why? ...because they would have stoned him

this is why you theory about full filling laws makes laws obsolete is delusional...why?...because how else were parents suppose to discipline their Unruly Children

Jesus couldn't make new laws....because they would have stoned him...and this is why Jesus could only offer teachings

I've constantly asked you to provide teachings of Jesus on how Christian parents are to discipline their Unruly children and so far you have failed to do so ..

so until or unless you can "full fill" that simple request...then the stoning laws still apply for Christians and you've been "Checkmated"

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Sun 08/05/12 06:37 AM


the stoning was not an instruction,


Cowboy...Jesus clearly stated in those passages that stoning was a "Command" from God

Jesus was to frighten to dare suggest to anyone to ignore a command from God or that a command from God was wrong ...why? ...because they would have stoned him

this is why you theory about full filling laws makes laws obsolete is delusional...why?...because how else were parents suppose to discipline their Unruly Children

Jesus couldn't make new laws....because they would have stoned him...and this is why Jesus could only offer teachings

I've constantly asked you to provide teachings of Jesus on how Christian parents are to discipline their Unruly children and so far you have failed to do so ..

so until or unless you can "full fill" that simple request...then the stoning laws still apply for Christians and you've been "Checkmated"



Jesus couldn't make new laws....because they would have stoned him...and this is why Jesus could only offer teachings


What in the world are you talking about? That is exactly what Jesus was here doing. He was here to fulfill the old law/covenant and give us a new law/covenant.


so until or unless you can "full fill" that simple request...then the stoning laws still apply for Christians and you've been "Checkmated"


I've already "fulfilled" that request with showing many verses of Jesus fulfilling the old law/covenant which had stoning in it. The new law/covenant does NOT tell us to stone anyone.

John 8 and 9
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

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Sun 08/05/12 06:47 AM

I've already "fulfilled" that request with showing many verses of Jesus fulfilling the old law/covenant which had stoning in it. The new law/covenant does NOT tell us to stone anyone.

John 8 and 9
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.


Cowboy...your denseness is frightening.....you are suppose to provide teachings from Jesus on how to discipline "Unruly Children" not "Unruly Adults"

can you provide them or not

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Sun 08/05/12 07:05 AM


I've already "fulfilled" that request with showing many verses of Jesus fulfilling the old law/covenant which had stoning in it. The new law/covenant does NOT tell us to stone anyone.

John 8 and 9
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.


Cowboy...your denseness is frightening.....you are suppose to provide teachings from Jesus on how to discipline "Unruly Children" not "Unruly Adults"

can you provide them or not



As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child.

Colossians 3:21
21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged.

Ephesians 6:4
4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.


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