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CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 08/05/12 07:09 AM
I've already "fulfilled" that request with showing many verses of Jesus fulfilling the old law/covenant which had stoning in it. The new law/covenant does NOT tell us to stone anyone. John 8 and 9 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. Cowboy...your denseness is frightening.....you are suppose to provide teachings from Jesus on how to discipline "Unruly Children" not "Unruly Adults" can you provide them or not As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. Colossians 3:21 21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged. Ephesians 6:4 4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. Which makes sense. Because we are not to judge. And speaking on children for instance, it tells us to be loving to them, caring, and so forth. But if this doesn't work, it is the childs fault/problem. The parent would have done nothing to provoke anything more then love.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 08/05/12 08:34 AM
I've already "fulfilled" that request with showing many verses of Jesus fulfilling the old law/covenant which had stoning in it. The new law/covenant does NOT tell us to stone anyone. John 8 and 9 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. Cowboy...your denseness is frightening.....you are suppose to provide teachings from Jesus on how to discipline "Unruly Children" not "Unruly Adults" can you provide them or not As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. Colossians 3:21 21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged. Ephesians 6:4 4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. Cowboy...these are not passages on how to discipline "Unruly Children" you're simply not going to win this one... it's time to sign the surrender papers

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 08/05/12 08:59 AM
I've already "fulfilled" that request with showing many verses of Jesus fulfilling the old law/covenant which had stoning in it. The new law/covenant does NOT tell us to stone anyone. John 8 and 9 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. Cowboy...your denseness is frightening.....you are suppose to provide teachings from Jesus on how to discipline "Unruly Children" not "Unruly Adults" can you provide them or not As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. Colossians 3:21 21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged. Ephesians 6:4 4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. Cowboy...these are not passages on how to discipline "Unruly Children" you're simply not going to win this one... it's time to sign the surrender papers ??? What are you talking about Funches? You still speak as if this was some kind of debate. There is no passages on "disciplining" your unruly children, because you are to be loving, caring, and FORGIVING. So what's your point here? What is the objective purpose right here?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 08/05/12 09:59 AM
There is no passages on "disciplining" your unruly children, checkmate

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 08/05/12 10:04 AM
There is no passages on "disciplining" your unruly children, checkmate Checkmate what? What are you talking about Funches?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 08/05/12 10:06 AM Edited by msharmony on Sun 08/05/12 10:07 AM
I've already "fulfilled" that request with showing many verses of Jesus fulfilling the old law/covenant which had stoning in it. The new law/covenant does NOT tell us to stone anyone. John 8 and 9 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. Cowboy...your denseness is frightening.....you are suppose to provide teachings from Jesus on how to discipline "Unruly Children" not "Unruly Adults" can you provide them or not As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. Colossians 3:21 21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged. Ephesians 6:4 4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. for you, ,,,cowboy,,,,, http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/20-important-bible-verses-for-parents/ several verses given here regarding the biblical in structions on parenting as well as the biblical words for 'discipline' and some corresponding verses,,,

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 08/05/12 10:15 AM
I've already "fulfilled" that request with showing many verses of Jesus fulfilling the old law/covenant which had stoning in it. The new law/covenant does NOT tell us to stone anyone. John 8 and 9 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. Cowboy...your denseness is frightening.....you are suppose to provide teachings from Jesus on how to discipline "Unruly Children" not "Unruly Adults" can you provide them or not As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. Colossians 3:21 21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged. Ephesians 6:4 4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. for you, ,,,cowboy,,,,, http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/20-important-bible-verses-for-parents/ several verses given here regarding the biblical in structions on parenting as well as the biblical words for 'discipline' and some corresponding verses,,, Thank you msharmony, but unfortunately I had already found that page. I do not see anything on that page pertaining specifically to the new testament about disciplining or not disciplining a child. Would you mind pointing it out for me?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 08/05/12 10:19 AM
There is no passages on "disciplining" your unruly children, checkmate Checkmate what? What are you talking about Funches? when the thread started you were an advocate for striking children for discipline.....due to my teachings you have learned and admitted that striking children is wrong

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 08/05/12 10:22 AM
There is no passages on "disciplining" your unruly children, checkmate Checkmate what? What are you talking about Funches? when the thread started you were an advocate for striking children for discipline.....due to my teachings you have learned and admitted that striking children is wrong Ah, but you are incorrect. The old testament taught to discipline the child. Yes this law is fulfilled and all, but no instructions found yet have been contrary to this. So it is still not settled on being wrong or ok. But glad you love to jump to conclusions as soon as you feel you made a point :).

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 08/05/12 10:23 AM
There is no passages on "disciplining" your unruly children, checkmate Checkmate what? What are you talking about Funches? when the thread started you were an advocate for striking children for discipline.....due to my teachings you have learned and admitted that striking children is wrong Ah, but you are incorrect. The old testament taught to discipline the child. Yes this law is fulfilled and all, but no instructions found yet have been contrary to this. So it is still not settled on being wrong or ok. But glad you love to jump to conclusions as soon as you feel you made a point :). And besides that, even if "I" feel it's ok or not ok to spank a child, that doesn't mean God has instructed us to or not to. That just is my perception on the action. Don't confuse the two lol.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 08/05/12 10:36 AM
I've already "fulfilled" that request with showing many verses of Jesus fulfilling the old law/covenant which had stoning in it. The new law/covenant does NOT tell us to stone anyone. John 8 and 9 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. Cowboy...your denseness is frightening.....you are suppose to provide teachings from Jesus on how to discipline "Unruly Children" not "Unruly Adults" can you provide them or not As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. Colossians 3:21 21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged. Ephesians 6:4 4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. for you, ,,,cowboy,,,,, http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/20-important-bible-verses-for-parents/ several verses given here regarding the biblical in structions on parenting as well as the biblical words for 'discipline' and some corresponding verses,,, Thank you msharmony, but unfortunately I had already found that page. I do not see anything on that page pertaining specifically to the new testament about disciplining or not disciplining a child. Would you mind pointing it out for me? I was responding to As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. I was unaware you were specifically referring to new testament,, my mistake

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 08/05/12 10:44 AM
There is no passages on "disciplining" your unruly children, checkmate Checkmate what? What are you talking about Funches? when the thread started you were an advocate for striking children for discipline.....due to my teachings you have learned and admitted that striking children is wrong Ah, but you are incorrect. The old testament taught to discipline the child. Yes this law is fulfilled and all, but no instructions found yet have been contrary to this. So it is still not settled on being wrong or ok. But glad you love to jump to conclusions as soon as you feel you made a point :). that you now question that striking a child for discipline may be wrong ....was due to my teachings

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 08/05/12 11:07 AM
I've already "fulfilled" that request with showing many verses of Jesus fulfilling the old law/covenant which had stoning in it. The new law/covenant does NOT tell us to stone anyone. John 8 and 9 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. Cowboy...your denseness is frightening.....you are suppose to provide teachings from Jesus on how to discipline "Unruly Children" not "Unruly Adults" can you provide them or not As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. Colossians 3:21 21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged. Ephesians 6:4 4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. for you, ,,,cowboy,,,,, http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/20-important-bible-verses-for-parents/ several verses given here regarding the biblical in structions on parenting as well as the biblical words for 'discipline' and some corresponding verses,,, Thank you msharmony, but unfortunately I had already found that page. I do not see anything on that page pertaining specifically to the new testament about disciplining or not disciplining a child. Would you mind pointing it out for me? I was responding to As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. I was unaware you were specifically referring to new testament,, my mistake that's because the only laws for disciplining children and Unruly children are in The Old Testament Christians went from stoning their children to death to only striking their children as discipline not due to anything God or Jesus done but due to the government passing murder laws Stoning unruly children is murder....and murdering your unruly children was a command handed down by God

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 08/05/12 11:28 AM
I've already "fulfilled" that request with showing many verses of Jesus fulfilling the old law/covenant which had stoning in it. The new law/covenant does NOT tell us to stone anyone. John 8 and 9 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. Cowboy...your denseness is frightening.....you are suppose to provide teachings from Jesus on how to discipline "Unruly Children" not "Unruly Adults" can you provide them or not As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. Colossians 3:21 21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged. Ephesians 6:4 4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. for you, ,,,cowboy,,,,, http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/20-important-bible-verses-for-parents/ several verses given here regarding the biblical in structions on parenting as well as the biblical words for 'discipline' and some corresponding verses,,, Thank you msharmony, but unfortunately I had already found that page. I do not see anything on that page pertaining specifically to the new testament about disciplining or not disciplining a child. Would you mind pointing it out for me? I was responding to As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. I was unaware you were specifically referring to new testament,, my mistake that's because the only laws for disciplining children and Unruly children are in The Old Testament Christians went from stoning their children to death to only striking their children as discipline not due to anything God or Jesus done but due to the government passing murder laws Stoning unruly children is murder....and murdering your unruly children was a command handed down by God when did God command me to do that?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 08/05/12 11:48 AM
I've already "fulfilled" that request with showing many verses of Jesus fulfilling the old law/covenant which had stoning in it. The new law/covenant does NOT tell us to stone anyone. John 8 and 9 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. Cowboy...your denseness is frightening.....you are suppose to provide teachings from Jesus on how to discipline "Unruly Children" not "Unruly Adults" can you provide them or not As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. Colossians 3:21 21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged. Ephesians 6:4 4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. for you, ,,,cowboy,,,,, http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/20-important-bible-verses-for-parents/ several verses given here regarding the biblical in structions on parenting as well as the biblical words for 'discipline' and some corresponding verses,,, Thank you msharmony, but unfortunately I had already found that page. I do not see anything on that page pertaining specifically to the new testament about disciplining or not disciplining a child. Would you mind pointing it out for me? I was responding to As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. I was unaware you were specifically referring to new testament,, my mistake that's because the only laws for disciplining children and Unruly children are in The Old Testament Christians went from stoning their children to death to only striking their children as discipline not due to anything God or Jesus done but due to the government passing murder laws Stoning unruly children is murder....and murdering your unruly children was a command handed down by God when did God command me to do that? probably the same thing Eve said to Adam about not eating the fruit

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 08/05/12 11:49 AM
I've already "fulfilled" that request with showing many verses of Jesus fulfilling the old law/covenant which had stoning in it. The new law/covenant does NOT tell us to stone anyone. John 8 and 9 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. Cowboy...your denseness is frightening.....you are suppose to provide teachings from Jesus on how to discipline "Unruly Children" not "Unruly Adults" can you provide them or not As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. Colossians 3:21 21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged. Ephesians 6:4 4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. for you, ,,,cowboy,,,,, http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/20-important-bible-verses-for-parents/ several verses given here regarding the biblical in structions on parenting as well as the biblical words for 'discipline' and some corresponding verses,,, Thank you msharmony, but unfortunately I had already found that page. I do not see anything on that page pertaining specifically to the new testament about disciplining or not disciplining a child. Would you mind pointing it out for me? I was responding to As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. I was unaware you were specifically referring to new testament,, my mistake that's because the only laws for disciplining children and Unruly children are in The Old Testament Christians went from stoning their children to death to only striking their children as discipline not due to anything God or Jesus done but due to the government passing murder laws Stoning unruly children is murder....and murdering your unruly children was a command handed down by God when did God command me to do that? probably the same thing Eve said to Adam about not eating the fruit is that the same as 'he didnt',,,,?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 08/05/12 11:52 AM
I've already "fulfilled" that request with showing many verses of Jesus fulfilling the old law/covenant which had stoning in it. The new law/covenant does NOT tell us to stone anyone. John 8 and 9 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. Cowboy...your denseness is frightening.....you are suppose to provide teachings from Jesus on how to discipline "Unruly Children" not "Unruly Adults" can you provide them or not As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. Colossians 3:21 21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged. Ephesians 6:4 4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. for you, ,,,cowboy,,,,, http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/20-important-bible-verses-for-parents/ several verses given here regarding the biblical in structions on parenting as well as the biblical words for 'discipline' and some corresponding verses,,, Thank you msharmony, but unfortunately I had already found that page. I do not see anything on that page pertaining specifically to the new testament about disciplining or not disciplining a child. Would you mind pointing it out for me? I was responding to As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. I was unaware you were specifically referring to new testament,, my mistake that's because the only laws for disciplining children and Unruly children are in The Old Testament Christians went from stoning their children to death to only striking their children as discipline not due to anything God or Jesus done but due to the government passing murder laws Stoning unruly children is murder....and murdering your unruly children was a command handed down by God when did God command me to do that? probably the same thing Eve said to Adam about not eating the fruit is that the same as 'he didnt',,,,? more like Eve's denial that he did

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 08/05/12 12:06 PM
I've already "fulfilled" that request with showing many verses of Jesus fulfilling the old law/covenant which had stoning in it. The new law/covenant does NOT tell us to stone anyone. John 8 and 9 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. Cowboy...your denseness is frightening.....you are suppose to provide teachings from Jesus on how to discipline "Unruly Children" not "Unruly Adults" can you provide them or not As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. Colossians 3:21 21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged. Ephesians 6:4 4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. for you, ,,,cowboy,,,,, http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/20-important-bible-verses-for-parents/ several verses given here regarding the biblical in structions on parenting as well as the biblical words for 'discipline' and some corresponding verses,,, Thank you msharmony, but unfortunately I had already found that page. I do not see anything on that page pertaining specifically to the new testament about disciplining or not disciplining a child. Would you mind pointing it out for me? I was responding to As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. I was unaware you were specifically referring to new testament,, my mistake that's because the only laws for disciplining children and Unruly children are in The Old Testament Christians went from stoning their children to death to only striking their children as discipline not due to anything God or Jesus done but due to the government passing murder laws Stoning unruly children is murder....and murdering your unruly children was a command handed down by God Christians went from stoning their children to death to only striking their children as discipline not due to anything God or Jesus done but due to the government passing murder laws Oh you are sadly mistaken. The first covenant we were under, you were saved by works and things you did or didn't do. You were punished and or rewarded for the things you've done on Earth. Now we are saved by grace and there is only one Judgement time rather then a day to day basis.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 08/05/12 12:22 PM
Oh you are sadly mistaken. The first covenant we were under, you were saved by works and things you did or didn't do. You were punished and or rewarded for the things you've done on Earth. Now we are saved by grace and there is only one Judgement time rather then a day to day basis. Cowboy...there is no getting around the fact that God commanded people to murder their Unruly Children wouldn't you have follow your God commands and stone your unruly children to death in those biblical days? please say no

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 08/05/12 12:35 PM
Oh you are sadly mistaken. The first covenant we were under, you were saved by works and things you did or didn't do. You were punished and or rewarded for the things you've done on Earth. Now we are saved by grace and there is only one Judgement time rather then a day to day basis. Cowboy...there is no getting around the fact that God commanded people to murder their Unruly Children wouldn't you have follow your God commands and stone your unruly children to death in those biblical days? please say no God instructed no one to "murder" anyone. Murder is unlawful taking of a life of another. If God commanded it, it's not unlawful. Yes, one would stone their UNRULY child. An unruly child is like a delinquent, a child that won't listen ever. One of those children that are put away in correctional "homes" or whatever they are called. Not a child that just made a mistake or a bad decision and screwed up.