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funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 08/05/12 12:49 PM
God instructed no one to "murder" anyone. Murder is unlawful taking of a life of another. If God commanded it, it's not unlawful. which is exactly why the government had to step in and make stoning unruly children to Death unlawful... Creflo's daughter is lucky that Obama is not a member of the Tea party, that advocates for less government in people lives

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 08/05/12 03:05 PM
God instructed no one to "murder" anyone. Murder is unlawful taking of a life of another. If God commanded it, it's not unlawful. which is exactly why the government had to step in and make stoning unruly children to Death unlawful... Creflo's daughter is lucky that Obama is not a member of the Tea party, that advocates for less government in people lives God's law is above mans' law. Man's law is no law to God, means nothing to him.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 08/05/12 03:33 PM
God instructed no one to "murder" anyone. Murder is unlawful taking of a life of another. If God commanded it, it's not unlawful. which is exactly why the government had to step in and make stoning unruly children to Death unlawful... Creflo's daughter is lucky that Obama is not a member of the Tea party, that advocates for less government in people lives God's law is above mans' law. Man's law is no law to God, means nothing to him. funny how your God Jesus didn't say that to Pontious Pilate

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 08/05/12 03:46 PM
God instructed no one to "murder" anyone. Murder is unlawful taking of a life of another. If God commanded it, it's not unlawful. which is exactly why the government had to step in and make stoning unruly children to Death unlawful... Creflo's daughter is lucky that Obama is not a member of the Tea party, that advocates for less government in people lives God's law is above mans' law. Man's law is no law to God, means nothing to him. funny how your God Jesus didn't say that to Pontious Pilate Ah, but why would he? Prophecy - Isaiah 53:3 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Fulfillment - John 1:10-11 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. Prophecy - Psalm 22:1-2 22 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? 2 O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent. Fulfillment - Matthew 27:46 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Zechariah 12:10 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. There are 28 prophecies that were fulfilled come the crucifixion. That is how Jesus was fulfilling the old covenant. That is why after it all, he said - John 19:30 30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. What do you think he was referring to when he said "It is done", the old covenant. At that moment all prophecies had been fulfilled. And the covenants only hold power over us until all prophecies are fulfilled. It was God's law that Jesus was going to be crucified. So no, still man's law means nothing to God. And it wasn't man's law Jesus got crucified for in the first place. He was crucified because he claimed to be the son of the living God and didn't find it robbery to make himself equal with the father, had absolutely nothing to do with any laws Pilate may or may not have made or had.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 08/05/12 04:03 PM
God instructed no one to "murder" anyone. Murder is unlawful taking of a life of another. If God commanded it, it's not unlawful. which is exactly why the government had to step in and make stoning unruly children to Death unlawful... Creflo's daughter is lucky that Obama is not a member of the Tea party, that advocates for less government in people lives God's law is above mans' law. Man's law is no law to God, means nothing to him. funny how your God Jesus didn't say that to Pontious Pilate Ah, but why would he? perhaps to scam Pilate into not Crucifying him

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 08/05/12 04:12 PM
What do you think he was referring to when he said "It is done", the old covenant. At that moment all prophecies had been fulfilled. except the Messiah named Immanuel didn't show up

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 08/05/12 05:03 PM
I've already "fulfilled" that request with showing many verses of Jesus fulfilling the old law/covenant which had stoning in it. The new law/covenant does NOT tell us to stone anyone. John 8 and 9 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. Cowboy...your denseness is frightening.....you are suppose to provide teachings from Jesus on how to discipline "Unruly Children" not "Unruly Adults" can you provide them or not As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. Colossians 3:21 21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged. Ephesians 6:4 4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. for you, ,,,cowboy,,,,, http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/20-important-bible-verses-for-parents/ several verses given here regarding the biblical in structions on parenting as well as the biblical words for 'discipline' and some corresponding verses,,, Thank you msharmony, but unfortunately I had already found that page. I do not see anything on that page pertaining specifically to the new testament about disciplining or not disciplining a child. Would you mind pointing it out for me? I was responding to As far as I know, there isn't a specific instruction on "disciplining" a child. I was unaware you were specifically referring to new testament,, my mistake that's because the only laws for disciplining children and Unruly children are in The Old Testament Christians went from stoning their children to death to only striking their children as discipline not due to anything God or Jesus done but due to the government passing murder laws Stoning unruly children is murder....and murdering your unruly children was a command handed down by God when did God command me to do that? probably the same thing Eve said to Adam about not eating the fruit is that the same as 'he didnt',,,,? more like Eve's denial that he did

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 08/05/12 07:00 PM
God instructed no one to "murder" anyone. Murder is unlawful taking of a life of another. If God commanded it, it's not unlawful. which is exactly why the government had to step in and make stoning unruly children to Death unlawful... Creflo's daughter is lucky that Obama is not a member of the Tea party, that advocates for less government in people lives God's law is above mans' law. Man's law is no law to God, means nothing to him. funny how your God Jesus didn't say that to Pontious Pilate Ah, but why would he? Prophecy - Isaiah 53:3 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Fulfillment - John 1:10-11 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. Prophecy - Psalm 22:1-2 22 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? 2 O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent. Fulfillment - Matthew 27:46 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Zechariah 12:10 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. There are 28 prophecies that were fulfilled come the crucifixion. That is how Jesus was fulfilling the old covenant. That is why after it all, he said - John 19:30 30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. What do you think he was referring to when he said "It is done", the old covenant. At that moment all prophecies had been fulfilled. And the covenants only hold power over us until all prophecies are fulfilled. It was God's law that Jesus was going to be crucified. So no, still man's law means nothing to God. And it wasn't man's law Jesus got crucified for in the first place. He was crucified because he claimed to be the son of the living God and didn't find it robbery to make himself equal with the father, had absolutely nothing to do with any laws Pilate may or may not have made or had. perhaps to scam Pilate into not Crucifying him Include the entire post when you quote funches lol.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 08/05/12 07:01 PM
What do you think he was referring to when he said "It is done", the old covenant. At that moment all prophecies had been fulfilled. except the Messiah named Immanuel didn't show up Look it up, Immanuel isn't a name specifically, it means "God with us". So Jesus was Immanuel, he is God with us.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 08/06/12 04:02 AM
Include the entire post when you quote funches lol. Cowboy...why would I want to repost your nonsense? ..suffering through it once was horror enough ...now I know how Jesus felt on the cross but anyway one of the reasons Jesus didn't say anything to Pontious Pilate about God's Law being above Man's law because it would have made him out to be a hypocrite when he was telling everyone else that they should Render unto Caesar's laws another reason was that Jesus only preyed among the Jews with his views and never would venture those views to the Romans ..by doing so would have been grounds for Crucifixion, one would figure if Jesus is suppose to be a God why is he so scare all the time, he should have told Pilate to shove it but anyway this is why those such as yourself that make claims that God's law is above man is exactly why the government had to step in and protect children from being stoned by their bible thumping parents

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 08/06/12 04:20 AM
What do you think he was referring to when he said "It is done", the old covenant. At that moment all prophecies had been fulfilled. except the Messiah named Immanuel didn't show up Look it up, Immanuel isn't a name specifically, it means "God with us". So Jesus was Immanuel, he is God with us. no...the prophecy said that the Messiah name would be Immanuel not mean Immanuel .... you guys should have known that Jesus wasn't God or even knew God once he started making excuses why he didn't know the time of Judgement Day ... the mayor of Chicago name is Rahm Israel Emanuel...according to biblical prophecy he's more than likely the Messiah then someone named Jesus

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 08/06/12 05:23 AM Edited by CowboyGH on Mon 08/06/12 05:28 AM
Include the entire post when you quote funches lol. Cowboy...why would I want to repost your nonsense? ..suffering through it once was horror enough ...now I know how Jesus felt on the cross but anyway one of the reasons Jesus didn't say anything to Pontious Pilate about God's Law being above Man's law because it would have made him out to be a hypocrite when he was telling everyone else that they should Render unto Caesar's laws another reason was that Jesus only preyed among the Jews with his views and never would venture those views to the Romans ..by doing so would have been grounds for Crucifixion, one would figure if Jesus is suppose to be a God why is he so scare all the time, he should have told Pilate to shove it but anyway this is why those such as yourself that make claims that God's law is above man is exactly why the government had to step in and protect children from being stoned by their bible thumping parents another reason was that Jesus only preyed among the Jews with his views and never would venture those views to the Romans ..by doing so would have been grounds for Crucifixion, one would figure if Jesus is suppose to be a God why is he so scare all the time, he should have told Pilate to shove it Why would he? Romans 2:10 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: You do realize the Jews are God's chosen people right? And that is why the instruction to preach to the world is included in the instructions God gave us/them. Mark 16:15 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 08/06/12 05:28 AM Edited by CowboyGH on Mon 08/06/12 05:29 AM
What do you think he was referring to when he said "It is done", the old covenant. At that moment all prophecies had been fulfilled. except the Messiah named Immanuel didn't show up Look it up, Immanuel isn't a name specifically, it means "God with us". So Jesus was Immanuel, he is God with us. no...the prophecy said that the Messiah name would be Immanuel not mean Immanuel .... you guys should have known that Jesus wasn't God or even knew God once he started making excuses why he didn't know the time of Judgement Day ... the mayor of Chicago name is Rahm Israel Emanuel...according to biblical prophecy he's more than likely the Messiah then someone named Jesus Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Immanuel again means "God with us". Names have meanings Funches. As why Satan is called Satan, because he is an adversary of God. Satan - Derived from Hebrew שָׂטָן (satan) meaning "adversary".

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 08/06/12 06:17 AM
Include the entire post when you quote funches lol. Cowboy...why would I want to repost your nonsense? ..suffering through it once was horror enough ...now I know how Jesus felt on the cross but anyway one of the reasons Jesus didn't say anything to Pontious Pilate about God's Law being above Man's law because it would have made him out to be a hypocrite when he was telling everyone else that they should Render unto Caesar's laws another reason was that Jesus only preyed among the Jews with his views and never would venture those views to the Romans ..by doing so would have been grounds for Crucifixion, one would figure if Jesus is suppose to be a God why is he so scare all the time, he should have told Pilate to shove it but anyway this is why those such as yourself that make claims that God's law is above man is exactly why the government had to step in and protect children from being stoned by their bible thumping parents another reason was that Jesus only preyed among the Jews with his views and never would venture those views to the Romans ..by doing so would have been grounds for Crucifixion, one would figure if Jesus is suppose to be a God why is he so scare all the time, he should have told Pilate to shove it Why would he? Romans 2:10 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: You do realize the Jews are God's chosen people right? And that is why the instruction to preach to the world is included in the instructions God gave us/them. Mark 16:15 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. right..Jesus command you to preach the word to every creature but yet Jesus failed to take the opportunity to preach the gospel to Pilate ...sort of makes him somewhat of a hypocrite don't you think? which is why those passages you presented are proving my point...Jesus was scare to tell Pilate God's law was above Man's law remember you use to be in this forum swearing up and down that you were not in here preaching and therefore admitting to not following the commands from Jesus......that's the same thing Jesus did with Pilate

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 08/06/12 07:02 AM
Immanuel again means "God with us". Names have meanings Funches. but Immanuel does not mean Jesus I've already presented a passage that states that the Messiah's name will be called Immanuel I'm still waiting on you to present a passage that states that the Messiah's name will be called Jesus one would think that a prophecy would at the least get the name right

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 08/06/12 09:18 AM
Immanuel again means "God with us". Names have meanings Funches. but Immanuel does not mean Jesus I've already presented a passage that states that the Messiah's name will be called Immanuel I'm still waiting on you to present a passage that states that the Messiah's name will be called Jesus one would think that a prophecy would at the least get the name right But again, that is his name in meaning. I've showed you a passage that said "his name will be the everlasting father, prince of peace, ect" That his NAME shall be called that. That doesn't say HE will be called that. Does not say that will be his name.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 08/06/12 09:22 AM
Include the entire post when you quote funches lol. Cowboy...why would I want to repost your nonsense? ..suffering through it once was horror enough ...now I know how Jesus felt on the cross but anyway one of the reasons Jesus didn't say anything to Pontious Pilate about God's Law being above Man's law because it would have made him out to be a hypocrite when he was telling everyone else that they should Render unto Caesar's laws another reason was that Jesus only preyed among the Jews with his views and never would venture those views to the Romans ..by doing so would have been grounds for Crucifixion, one would figure if Jesus is suppose to be a God why is he so scare all the time, he should have told Pilate to shove it but anyway this is why those such as yourself that make claims that God's law is above man is exactly why the government had to step in and protect children from being stoned by their bible thumping parents another reason was that Jesus only preyed among the Jews with his views and never would venture those views to the Romans ..by doing so would have been grounds for Crucifixion, one would figure if Jesus is suppose to be a God why is he so scare all the time, he should have told Pilate to shove it Why would he? Romans 2:10 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: You do realize the Jews are God's chosen people right? And that is why the instruction to preach to the world is included in the instructions God gave us/them. Mark 16:15 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. right..Jesus command you to preach the word to every creature but yet Jesus failed to take the opportunity to preach the gospel to Pilate ...sort of makes him somewhat of a hypocrite don't you think? which is why those passages you presented are proving my point...Jesus was scare to tell Pilate God's law was above Man's law remember you use to be in this forum swearing up and down that you were not in here preaching and therefore admitting to not following the commands from Jesus......that's the same thing Jesus did with Pilate Ah, but you're twisting words around to your best advantage. I am preaching, just as you are preaching. Preach - Publicly proclaim or teach (a religious message or belief) And this is a public forum for the members of Mingle2. I just was saying I was not preaching in the sense you were presenting it. I was not giving a sermon or anything of that such. I was merely discussing and spreading the good news. I only went so far as to clarify that, because if I am not mistaken "preaching" in the sense of delivering a sermon instead of having a "discussion" is against the forum rules, in which is what I think the motives were behind you mentioning that. So I had to show that you are preaching just as I was.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 08/06/12 09:25 AM
Include the entire post when you quote funches lol. Cowboy...why would I want to repost your nonsense? ..suffering through it once was horror enough ...now I know how Jesus felt on the cross but anyway one of the reasons Jesus didn't say anything to Pontious Pilate about God's Law being above Man's law because it would have made him out to be a hypocrite when he was telling everyone else that they should Render unto Caesar's laws another reason was that Jesus only preyed among the Jews with his views and never would venture those views to the Romans ..by doing so would have been grounds for Crucifixion, one would figure if Jesus is suppose to be a God why is he so scare all the time, he should have told Pilate to shove it but anyway this is why those such as yourself that make claims that God's law is above man is exactly why the government had to step in and protect children from being stoned by their bible thumping parents another reason was that Jesus only preyed among the Jews with his views and never would venture those views to the Romans ..by doing so would have been grounds for Crucifixion, one would figure if Jesus is suppose to be a God why is he so scare all the time, he should have told Pilate to shove it Why would he? Romans 2:10 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: You do realize the Jews are God's chosen people right? And that is why the instruction to preach to the world is included in the instructions God gave us/them. Mark 16:15 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. right..Jesus command you to preach the word to every creature but yet Jesus failed to take the opportunity to preach the gospel to Pilate ...sort of makes him somewhat of a hypocrite don't you think? which is why those passages you presented are proving my point...Jesus was scare to tell Pilate God's law was above Man's law remember you use to be in this forum swearing up and down that you were not in here preaching and therefore admitting to not following the commands from Jesus......that's the same thing Jesus did with Pilate right..Jesus command you to preach the word to every creature but yet Jesus failed to take the opportunity to preach the gospel to Pilate ...sort of makes him somewhat of a hypocrite don't you think? Again, nice try. Jesus did preach the gospel to Pilate. Maybe not specifically face to face, but Pilate received what Jesus was preaching, thus he why crucified. Please do enlighten us all the reason Jesus was crucified and provide the passages that support such a claim.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 08/06/12 10:00 AM
Immanuel again means "God with us". Names have meanings Funches. but Immanuel does not mean Jesus I've already presented a passage that states that the Messiah's name will be called Immanuel I'm still waiting on you to present a passage that states that the Messiah's name will be called Jesus one would think that a prophecy would at the least get the name right But again, that is his name in meaning. I've showed you a passage that said "his name will be the everlasting father, prince of peace, ect" That his NAME shall be called that. That doesn't say HE will be called that. Does not say that will be his name. no Cowboy...Jesus name no matter how you try to translate it does not mean Immanuel ..... without a specific name, the Messiah prophecy could apply to any one even you ..... watch how I make you God using the same logic you are trying to use PROOF WHY "COWBOY" THINKS HE IS HOLY Cowboy means "boys that are Cows" in India Cows are Holy ....therefore Cowboy means "Holy Boy" since Cows are only female therefore a Cowboy birth is immaculate WHY COWBOY CAN'T BE THE MESSIAH because there is nothing that can link Cowboy to mean Immanuel WHY JESUS CAN'T BE THE MESSIAH this is why the Messiah Prophecy can not be fulfilled unless a Messiah named Immanuel shows up...and this is why Jesus is not the Messiah...Mary blew it and gave him the wrong name...proof that she didn't read the bible

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 08/06/12 10:06 AM
Ah, but you're twisting words around to your best advantage. I am preaching, just as you are preaching. Preach - Publicly proclaim or teach (a religious message or belief) And this is a public forum for the members of Mingle2. I just was saying I was not preaching in the sense you were presenting it. I was not giving a sermon or anything of that such. I was merely discussing and spreading the good news. I only went so far as to clarify that, because if I am not mistaken "preaching" in the sense of delivering a sermon instead of having a "discussion" is against the forum rules, in which is what I think the motives were behind you mentioning that. So I had to show that you are preaching just as I was. the Christian followers of Jesus are commanded by Jesus to preach the gospel and I'm neither .....also you did the same as Thomas and denied Jesus by denying that you were in the forum preaching only due to my teachings to help keep you out of the lake of fire did you finally admit that you were here in the forums preaching the gospel...