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because Rome would have wipe their apse off the map .... Irrelevant and an opinion. Jesus ordered his disciples to buy swords. Why? Presentation. He WANTED the Romans to believe the false accusations to be true. He wanted the appearance to be portrayed as if he was, in fact, a threat. If this didn't take place, this false perception, he wouldn't have been arrested. Period. It was all how he had planned it to be, how he wanted it to be, and how it had to have been. Period. He broke no crime. He committed no sin. Rome judged otherwise No, they judged as Jesus wanted/prophecized. He broke no law, he "faked" it. Is this a hard concept for you? Jesus did claim to be the Messiah which is claiming to be The King of The Jews...Jesus was a tax protestor which is against Roman law .....so to prove your point you have to show how Jesus didn't break these laws |
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Jesus did claim to be the Messiah which is claiming to be The King of The Jews...Jesus was a tax protestor which is against Roman law .....so to prove your point you have to show how Jesus didn't break these laws Again. Jesus was NOT a Roman nor under Roman authority. He was free to practice his own religion/belief. Caesar cared not, this is proven both in and outside religious texts. Also, Jesus was not the only one to protest taxes; and only those who "showed signs of a aggressive nature or were deemed a threat" were held accountable for said crime. This is the act I stated several times that Jesus "falsely" portrayed. Jesus as the Messiah. The "act" is only "deemed" a true "sin" if it can be proven, without a shadow of a doubt his claim is 100% false. They could not do such, thus they, themselves, defiled God's Law by persecuting him false ("judge not or ye be judged"). Again, NO viable PROOF of ANY SIN by Jesus. Would you truly like ONE more replay? |
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Edited by
funches
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Wed 03/07/12 05:11 PM
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Jesus was NOT a Roman nor under Roman authority. the explain why the Jews took Jesus to Pilate if the Jews were not under Roman law |
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Jesus was NOT a Roman nor under Roman authority. the explain why the Jews took Jesus to Pilate if the Jews were not under Roman law Pilate didn't even find any fault in Jesus. John 18:37-38 37Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. 38Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all |
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Jesus was NOT a Roman nor under Roman authority. the explain why the Jews took Jesus to Pilate if the Jews were not under Roman law Um, you do realize Jews were bound by God's law NOT kill a fellow Jew especially without JUST cause. Which, mind you, they had none. Romans, however, they were not under said Law of Higher Authority; and to quiet society and increase loyalty/servitude among the masses; would easily partake in such. In fact, they were actually becoming pros at it. If I also recall, I'm not exactly sure the Jews had a "strong" government foundation at the time since they were so easily "occupied" by the Romans. Regardless, idea still stands true. Jews were devout to their religion; even if they found themselves misguided by a few. |
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MorningSong
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Wed 03/07/12 05:18 PM
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John 10:17-18
Jesus Said , 17 "Therefore My Father Loves Me, because I LAY DOWN MY LIFE that I May TAKE IT UP AGAIN. 18 NO ONE TAKES IT FROM ME, but I LAY IT DOWN OF MYSELF. I have Power to Lay it Down, and I have Power to Take it again. This command I have received from My Father." NKJV 
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Jesus was NOT a Roman nor under Roman authority. the explain why the Jews took Jesus to Pilate if the Jews were not under Roman law Pilate didn't even find any fault in Jesus. John 18:37-38 37Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. 38Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all some will always claim that someone is innocent but as you said Rome had a right to judge...and Rome judge Jesus guilty.... ...render unto Ceasar what is his |
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Jesus was NOT a Roman nor under Roman authority. the explain why the Jews took Jesus to Pilate if the Jews were not under Roman law Um, you do realize Jews were bound by God's law NOT kill a fellow Jew especially without JUST cause. Which, mind you, they had none. Romans, however, they were not under said Law of Higher Authority; and to quiet society and increase loyalty/servitude among the masses; would easily partake in such. In fact, they were actually becoming pros at it. If I also recall, I'm not exactly sure the Jews had a "strong" government foundation at the time since they were so easily "occupied" by the Romans. Regardless, idea still stands true. Jews were devout to their religion; even if they found themselves misguided by a few. you didn't answer the question..... THE QUESTION: explain why the Jews took Jesus to Pilate if the Jews were not under Roman law |
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John 10:17-18 Jesus Said , 17 "Therefore My Father Loves Me, because I LAY DOWN MY LIFE that I May TAKE IT UP AGAIN. 18 NO ONE TAKES IT FROM ME, but I LAY IT DOWN OF MYSELF. I have Power to Lay it Down, and I have Power to Take it again. This command I have received from My Father." NKJV so Jesus committed suicide |
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some will always claim that someone is innocent but as you said Rome had a right to judge...and Rome judge Jesus guilty.... ...render unto Ceasar what is his He was innocent. Even Pilate knew it, and wanted to wash his hands clean of it. He wasn't "judged", because if he was, Pilate would have released him. He was only convicted, in a phrase that made absolutely NO references to Caesar, "This man has done no wrong. Why do you wish this to be done to him?" And it was the mob of Jews that demanded his death. Judged? I think not. The Romans only did it to shut the Jews the **** up. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Wed 03/07/12 05:26 PM
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Jesus did NOT protest the payment of taxes !!!
Jesus said, "Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasars." PLEASE Look up the scripture on the diciples finding the money in the mouth of the fish, to GIVE UNTO Ceasar what is Ceasars. Jesus did NOT break ANY laws. Jesus was without sin. |
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Jesus did NOT protest the payment of taxes !!! Jesus said, "Give unto Ceasoar what is Ceasars." PLEASE Look up the scripture on the diciples finding the money in the mouth of the fish, to GIVE UNTO Ceasoar what was Ceasars. Jesus did NOT break ANY laws. Jesus was without sin. ..yeah, kinda been saying that. |
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And it was the mob of Jews that demanded his death. so why did the Jews want Jesus dead? |
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And it was the mob of Jews that demanded his death. so why did the Jews want Jesus dead? ..do I really have to repeat? Of course I do, what am I saying. It's Funches here. Because a few of, let's call them, influential douchebags, "hated" Jesus; so they spread lies and blasphemy against him to incite the Jewish people to hate him; such things as a "False Prophet" and what not. All of which was, in its own, a fabricated lie. They just wanted him gone. Just like present day, if one man can sound convincing enough, he can convince people to engage in horrific acts. That's what they did. Lied. |
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It seems like you are, as usual, pushing for one of us to state something that never happened.
Even if I had slipped and said, Oh Jews wanted Jesus dead for breaking this law-- Morning Song, Cowboy, Choco, would have jumped down my throat and I would've choked on Cowboy's hair. o.o ..so, yeah, that ain't gonna happen. -.- Because it DIDN'T happen. |
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And it was the mob of Jews that demanded his death. so why did the Jews want Jesus dead? ..do I really have to repeat? Of course I do, what am I saying. It's Funches here. Because a few of, let's call them, influential douchebags, "hated" Jesus; so they spread lies and blasphemy against him to incite the Jewish people to hate him; such things as a "False Prophet" and what not. All of which was, in its own, a fabricated lie. They just wanted him gone. Just like present day, if one man can sound convincing enough, he can convince people to engage in horrific acts. That's what they did. Lied. yep...if they believe that Jesus was a false prophet that is breaking Jewish law...even today Jews do not accept him as the Messiah...are they also spreading lies |
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It seems like you are, as usual, pushing for one of us to state something that never happened. and as ususal you avoid answering the one question that will end this debate THE QUESTION explain why the Jews took Jesus to Pilate if the Jews were not under Roman law |
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It seems like you are, as usual, pushing for one of us to state something that never happened. and as ususal you avoid answering the one question that will end this debate THE QUESTION explain why the Jews took Jesus to Pilate if the Jews were not under Roman law I did answer this. |
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And it was the mob of Jews that demanded his death. so why did the Jews want Jesus dead? ..do I really have to repeat? Of course I do, what am I saying. It's Funches here. Because a few of, let's call them, influential douchebags, "hated" Jesus; so they spread lies and blasphemy against him to incite the Jewish people to hate him; such things as a "False Prophet" and what not. All of which was, in its own, a fabricated lie. They just wanted him gone. Just like present day, if one man can sound convincing enough, he can convince people to engage in horrific acts. That's what they did. Lied. yep...if they believe that Jesus was a false prophet that is breaking Jewish law...even today Jews do not accept him as the Messiah...are they also spreading lies ..of course they wouldn't. That would calling their entire faith; ie, it's heritage, nothing but blasphemers. Think about, seriously, if they admitted Jesus WAS the Messiah; they would be at fault, the sole peoples to blame for the crucifixion of Christ. C'mon, that's common state cop-out. |
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And it was the mob of Jews that demanded his death. so why did the Jews want Jesus dead? ..do I really have to repeat? Of course I do, what am I saying. It's Funches here. Because a few of, let's call them, influential douchebags, "hated" Jesus; so they spread lies and blasphemy against him to incite the Jewish people to hate him; such things as a "False Prophet" and what not. All of which was, in its own, a fabricated lie. They just wanted him gone. Just like present day, if one man can sound convincing enough, he can convince people to engage in horrific acts. That's what they did. Lied. yep...if they believe that Jesus was a false prophet that is breaking Jewish law...even today Jews do not accept him as the Messiah...are they also spreading lies ..of course they wouldn't. That would calling their entire faith; ie, it's heritage, nothing but blasphemers. Think about, seriously, if they admitted Jesus WAS the Messiah; they would be at fault, the sole peoples to blame for the crucifixion of Christ. C'mon, that's common state cop-out. Wait, you believe the narative where the Jews said they wanted a curse on themselves and their offspring? The Romans corrupted the text... |
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