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Topic: Do You Have The Right To Believe
MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Sun 02/26/12 09:32 PM Edited by MorningSong on Sun 02/26/12 09:40 PM
Cowboy....Only The Holy Spirit can ILLUMINATE God's TRUTH to us...not man......

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Sun 02/26/12 09:34 PM
See, when you say "God" you are speaking of a person. When you say "god" you are speaking of a reference to a possible person(s). A black stallion is a type of wild horse. The Black Stallion is a specific wild horse. Zeus is a god. God is a god. See the difference? "god" lowercase is a reference to the title of highest authority. "God" IS the Highest Authority. Is proper and basic English, Morning, my love. :)

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 02/26/12 09:37 PM
Cowboy....Only The Holy Spirit can ILLUMINATE God's TRUTH to us...not man...... [color] I totally agree.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sun 02/26/12 09:39 PM
I think it is more like the use of the word dad. When I say, "My dad is away on a trip." That refers to a relationship. When I use "dad" in the place of a proper name it must be capitalized, even in the middle of a sentence. "When did Dad leave?"

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sun 02/26/12 09:41 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 02/26/12 09:43 PM
So, if I say "My god is an awesome god." That is proper. It does not really have to be capitalized. But if I say, "God created the world." That is using "god" as a proper name. (Like Dad.) "Dad" is not an actual name. "God" is not an actual name.

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Sun 02/26/12 09:50 PM
So, if I say "My god is an awesome god." That is proper. It does not really have to be capitalized. But if I say, "God created the world." That is using "god" as a proper name. (Like Dad.) "Dad" is not an actual name. "God" is not an actual name. ..Either way, my point was made. And you solidified it. ..BUT.. One thing. God, is an actual name, when you speak of the Bible's Christian "God", because unlike "Dad" he has no alternate names. Well, outside the "Father". ..unless, you are saying that Jesus's father was named Bob, or Jim, or Chris? o.o

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Sun 02/26/12 09:51 PM Edited by MorningSong on Sun 02/26/12 10:19 PM
No....has nothing to do with capitalization...the problem has to do with Cowboy NOT believing that The Father, Son,and Holy Spirit are ONLY ONE ENTITY...or ONE SUPREME BEING. repeat: Cowboy, does NOT believe The Father, Son, and Holy Sperit are ONE ENTITY ....or ONE SUPREME BEING. He just believes they are ONE, as in " ONE FAMILY "...like a government...like the GOVERNMENT of the United States is ONE ,but has MANY states under that ONE Governemnt...that is how Cowboy believes about God also. Again....The Father, Son, and Holy Sprit is ONLY ONE ENTITY or ONE SUPREME BEING....ONLY. But Cowboy however, does not accept this ..... He believes they are One God as in "ONE FAMILY" .that's all..

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Sun 02/26/12 09:54 PM
No....has nothing to do with capitalization...the problem has to do with Cowboy NOT believing that The Father, Son,and Holy Spirit is ONLY ONE ENTITY...or ONE SUPREME BEING. repeat: Cowboy, does NOT believe The Father, Son, and Holy Sperit is ONE ENTITY or ONE SUPREME BEING. He just believes they are ONE, as ONE FAMILY ...like a governemt...like the GOVERNMENT of the United States is ONE ,but has MANY states under thst ONE Governemnt...thst is how Cowboy beleives about God also. Again....The Father, Son, and Holy Sprit is ONLY ONE ENTITY or ONE SUPREME BEING....ONLY. But Cowboy however, does not accept this ..... Luke 22:41-43 New International Version (NIV) 41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” 43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. Two wills, two separate beings...

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sun 02/26/12 09:54 PM
So, if I say "My god is an awesome god." That is proper. It does not really have to be capitalized. But if I say, "God created the world." That is using "god" as a proper name. (Like Dad.) "Dad" is not an actual name. "God" is not an actual name. ..Either way, my point was made. And you solidified it. ..BUT.. One thing. God, is an actual name, when you speak of the Bible's Christian "God", because unlike "Dad" he has no alternate names. Well, outside the "Father". ..unless, you are saying that Jesus's father was named Bob, or Jim, or Chris? o.o Well that is not true according to some. Yahweh, Yahwah, Yahawah, Yahovah, Yaheveh, Yehaweh, Yehowah, Yehowih, Yehwih, Yahuweh, Yahueh, Yahuah, Jahveh, Iabe, Iahueh, Iehouah, and Jehovah:

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sun 02/26/12 09:57 PM
No....has nothing to do with capitalization...the problem has to do with Cowboy NOT believing that The Father, Son,and Holy Spirit is ONLY ONE ENTITY...or ONE SUPREME BEING. repeat: Cowboy, does NOT believe The Father, Son, and Holy Sperit is ONE ENTITY or ONE SUPREME BEING. He just believes they are ONE, as ONE FAMILY ...like a governemt...like the GOVERNMENT of the United States is ONE ,but has MANY states under thst ONE Governemnt...thst is how Cowboy beleives about God also. Again....The Father, Son, and Holy Sprit is ONLY ONE ENTITY or ONE SUPREME BEING....ONLY. But Cowboy however, does not accept this ..... Luke 22:41-43 New International Version (NIV) 41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” 43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. Two wills, two separate beings... Right. I don't know why this is not clear. I understand the concept that a person (human) and God can be one, but to insist that Jesus and God are one entity is not correct. That is metaphor. It's like when two people get married, they say that they become one. The don't really become one person. That is symbolic of how close they are in love, body, mind, etc. They are still two individual wills.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 02/26/12 09:58 PM
No....has nothing to do with capitalization...the problem has to do with Cowboy NOT believing that The Father, Son,and Holy Spirit is ONLY ONE ENTITY...or ONE SUPREME BEING. repeat: Cowboy, does NOT believe The Father, Son, and Holy Sperit is ONE ENTITY or ONE SUPREME BEING. He just believes they are ONE, as ONE FAMILY ...like a governemt...like the GOVERNMENT of the United States is ONE ,but has MANY states under thst ONE Governemnt...thst is how Cowboy beleives about God also. Again....The Father, Son, and Holy Sprit is ONLY ONE ENTITY or ONE SUPREME BEING....ONLY. But Cowboy however, does not accept this ..... Luke 22:41-43 New International Version (NIV) 41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” 43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. Two wills, two separate beings... Very good example Peter. Here's another Notice here Jesus is asking why this person called him good and said there is but one good, that is God... his father. For if he was speaking of himself in this reference of "God" he would not have to ask "Why callest thou me good" Mark 10:18 18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Sun 02/26/12 09:59 PM
So, if I say "My god is an awesome god." That is proper. It does not really have to be capitalized. But if I say, "God created the world." That is using "god" as a proper name. (Like Dad.) "Dad" is not an actual name. "God" is not an actual name. ..Either way, my point was made. And you solidified it. ..BUT.. One thing. God, is an actual name, when you speak of the Bible's Christian "God", because unlike "Dad" he has no alternate names. Well, outside the "Father". ..unless, you are saying that Jesus's father was named Bob, or Jim, or Chris? o.o Well that is not true according to some. Yahweh, Yahwah, Yahawah, Yahovah, Yaheveh, Yehaweh, Yehowah, Yehowih, Yehwih, Yahuweh, Yahueh, Yahuah, Jahveh, Iabe, Iahueh, Iehouah, and Jehovah: Outside of Peter Pan, and the modernized Christians, I've not heard them refer to him as such. Jehovah, on occasion, but "God" is the primary name that you hear as reference around here. As I also believe almost, if not all, of those are the Hebrew "name" reference. Not often I go to a Christian Church and hear them same, "Yahweh bless you all."

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 02/26/12 10:00 PM
No....has nothing to do with capitalization...the problem has to do with Cowboy NOT believing that The Father, Son,and Holy Spirit is ONLY ONE ENTITY...or ONE SUPREME BEING. repeat: Cowboy, does NOT believe The Father, Son, and Holy Sperit is ONE ENTITY or ONE SUPREME BEING. He just believes they are ONE, as ONE FAMILY ...like a governemt...like the GOVERNMENT of the United States is ONE ,but has MANY states under thst ONE Governemnt...thst is how Cowboy beleives about God also. Again....The Father, Son, and Holy Sprit is ONLY ONE ENTITY or ONE SUPREME BEING....ONLY. But Cowboy however, does not accept this ..... Luke 22:41-43 New International Version (NIV) 41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” 43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. Two wills, two separate beings... Right. I don't know why this is not clear. I understand the concept that a person (human) and God can be one, but to insist that Jesus and God are one entity is not correct. That is metaphor. It's like when two people get married, they say that they become one. The don't really become one person. That is symbolic of how close they are in love, body, mind, etc. They are still two individual wills. Exactly. God would almost be lying if they were one "Entity" because of the many different mentions of one another in third person form. Like when Jesus was on the cross and God the Father said "This is my son, in whom I'm well pleased". This would be a lie if they were one entity. For one could not be the child of the other if they were again one entity.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sun 02/26/12 10:01 PM
Beliefs like that are the result of trying to take some things written in scripture LITERALLY when they are not meant that way. And yet when Jesus talks about eating his flesh and drinking his blood, Christians REFUSE to take that literally.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Sun 02/26/12 10:03 PM
No....has nothing to do with capitalization...the problem has to do with Cowboy NOT believing that The Father, Son,and Holy Spirit is ONLY ONE ENTITY...or ONE SUPREME BEING. repeat: Cowboy, does NOT believe The Father, Son, and Holy Sperit is ONE ENTITY or ONE SUPREME BEING. He just believes they are ONE, as ONE FAMILY ...like a governemt...like the GOVERNMENT of the United States is ONE ,but has MANY states under thst ONE Governemnt...thst is how Cowboy beleives about God also. Again....The Father, Son, and Holy Sprit is ONLY ONE ENTITY or ONE SUPREME BEING....ONLY. But Cowboy however, does not accept this ..... Luke 22:41-43 New International Version (NIV) 41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” 43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. Two wills, two separate beings... No Peterpan......not 2 separate beings....but 2 separate PERSONS WITHIN one SUPREME BEING..or ONE ENTITY.... The Father,Son, Holy Spirit are the 3 separate PERSONS ( or distinctions) within ONE SUPREME BEING, or ONE ENTITY..or ONE GOD. THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD ALMIGHTY. AND ALL 3 PERSONS WITHIN THE ONE GODHEAD ARE ALL EQUALLY GOD...AND ALL 3 PERSONS WITHIN THE ONE GODHEAD ARE ONLY ONE GOD. WE SERVE ONLY ONE GOD.....ONLY ONE GOD SHALL WE SERVE.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 02/26/12 10:03 PM
Beliefs like that are the result of trying to take some things written in scripture LITERALLY when they are not meant that way. And yet when Jesus talks about eating his flesh and drinking his blood, Christians REFUSE to take that literally. Not everything in the bible is metaphorical/parable. Just Jesus spoke in parables to help give better understanding by relating it to something they already knew/understood.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sun 02/26/12 10:11 PM
No....has nothing to do with capitalization...the problem has to do with Cowboy NOT believing that The Father, Son,and Holy Spirit is ONLY ONE ENTITY...or ONE SUPREME BEING. repeat: Cowboy, does NOT believe The Father, Son, and Holy Sperit is ONE ENTITY or ONE SUPREME BEING. He just believes they are ONE, as ONE FAMILY ...like a governemt...like the GOVERNMENT of the United States is ONE ,but has MANY states under thst ONE Governemnt...thst is how Cowboy beleives about God also. Again....The Father, Son, and Holy Sprit is ONLY ONE ENTITY or ONE SUPREME BEING....ONLY. But Cowboy however, does not accept this ..... Luke 22:41-43 New International Version (NIV) 41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” 43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. Two wills, two separate beings... No Peterpan......not 2 separate beings....but 2 separate PERSONS WITHIN one SUPREME BEING..or ONE ENTITY.... The Father,Son, Holy Spirit are the 3 separate PERSONS ( or distinctions) within ONE SUPREME BEING, or ONE ENTITY..or ONE GOD. THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD ALMIGHTY. AND ALL 3 PERSONS WITHIN THE ONE GODHEAD ARE ALL EQUALLY GOD...AND ALL 3 PERSONS WITHIN THE ONE GODHEAD ARE ONLY ONE GOD. WE SERVE ONLY ONE GOD.....ONLY ONE GOD SHALL WE SERVE. I can understand separate persons inside of one being, because I have several separate persons inside of me, being a multiple personality. But as for me as a being... there is only ONE. And I am almighty. So I do understand the concept.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sun 02/26/12 10:11 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 02/26/12 10:14 PM
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Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sun 02/26/12 10:17 PM
No....has nothing to do with capitalization...the problem has to do with Cowboy NOT believing that The Father, Son,and Holy Spirit is ONLY ONE ENTITY...or ONE SUPREME BEING. repeat: Cowboy, does NOT believe The Father, Son, and Holy Sperit is ONE ENTITY or ONE SUPREME BEING. He just believes they are ONE, as ONE FAMILY ...like a governemt...like the GOVERNMENT of the United States is ONE ,but has MANY states under thst ONE Governemnt...thst is how Cowboy beleives about God also. Again....The Father, Son, and Holy Sprit is ONLY ONE ENTITY or ONE SUPREME BEING....ONLY. But Cowboy however, does not accept this ..... Luke 22:41-43 New International Version (NIV) 41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” 43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. Two wills, two separate beings... No Peterpan......not 2 separate beings....but 2 separate PERSONS WITHIN one SUPREME BEING..or ONE ENTITY.... The Father,Son, Holy Spirit are the 3 separate PERSONS ( or distinctions) within ONE SUPREME BEING, or ONE ENTITY..or ONE GOD. THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD ALMIGHTY. AND ALL 3 PERSONS WITHIN THE ONE GODHEAD ARE ALL EQUALLY GOD...AND ALL 3 PERSONS WITHIN THE ONE GODHEAD ARE ONLY ONE GOD. WE SERVE ONLY ONE GOD.....ONLY ONE GOD SHALL WE SERVE. I can understand separate persons inside of one being, because I have several separate persons inside of me, being a multiple personality. But as for me as a being... there is only ONE. And I am almighty. So I do understand the concept.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sun 02/26/12 10:19 PM
Beliefs like that are the result of trying to take some things written in scripture LITERALLY when they are not meant that way. And yet when Jesus talks about eating his flesh and drinking his blood, Christians REFUSE to take that literally. Not everything in the bible is metaphorical/parable. Just Jesus spoke in parables to help give better understanding by relating it to something they already knew/understood. I'm not sure you can know why Jesus was said to have spoken in parables. You can only guess. It could be that the things he spoke about were blasphemous and rebellious in the eyes of the current church fathers and he had to speak in parables.