you see/read it all the time that people have the right to have or to practice their religious beliefs and/or Faith

THE RIGHT TO PRACTICE YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS: Truth ? or Myth?

so what if your religious belief was child molestation, I use this example because it cuts to the quick and clearly shows that "no" you do not have the right to practice your religious beliefs

and that you are only "allowed" to practice what the government in which you practice that belief only "allows" you to practice as long as it meets with their standards and not violate their laws

which in actuality is making the government the religion and worshiping the government as God ....which means that the belief that "you have the right to practice your religious beliefs" is a myth

DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO RELIGIOUS/SPIRITUAL BELIEF

a religious/spiritual belief is simply a thought pertaining to the existence of a God/Supernatural entity in which one is willing to accept all the laws and commandments or rules one believe is imposed by that entity or inspire one to impose upon thyself,

since the conscious mind requires one to have thoughts then having a religious belief lies in the realm of normalcy until one tries to claim that the belief is a truth with no proof that it is, and in doing so this shifts that belief into the realm of delusion, until or unless one claims Faith

FAITH

so now what is Faith...that question is like walking into the tower of babel because when the question is asked people magically start talking in tongues and you can never get a straight answer as to what Faith is...

the reason for this is because those that claim they have Faith simply do not what to take responsibility for the consequences for what having Faith entails

probably the closet explanation as to what Faith is was the ability to turn Dreams Wishes and/or Hopes into Reality...so if Faith gives one this ability, then wouldn't one also be responsibility for the consequence of turning whatever they "had Faith in" into reality and then unleashing it upon The World...

clearly Faith and belief affects and dictates the path of ones thoughts and/or actions, which means if you have Faith in a God then such a belief can provide a window that one can view into, that reveals that persons inner self...their inner thoughts

FOR EXAMPLE
if you believe in a God then you must also believe that it's ok to kill/murder others without logical or reasonable justification that arise beyond any laws that man can impose ...or for the lack of a better term...."Sociopathism"

which brings up this question


THE QUESTION
if you believe in God and then use Faith to turn that belief into truth , then aren't you responsible for everything God does or induce others to do

My answer.

I am responsible for what I do by my faith.

But by free will (which is part of my faith) I am not responsible for the choices of others.

God is not responsible for the choices people make.

People are.

That's not true at all.
You can believe/practice it, but yes, obviously it wouldn't be condoned anywhere.

Example: Cannibalism and Racists (Like the KKK).

Both of those are against the law to 'practice' but they both still take place, here and abroad. While I know not of anyone who'd make a religion/belief around child molestation; it's not to say someone may or may not have contemplated it.

Most of the White Supremists I've encountered practice a very severe form of Christianity; via, unless you are white, German, and christian, you are an 'infidel', so to speak.

I'm not sure what a rogue cannibal believes in, but some tribes (with members residing in the states) worship their own, wicked 'God' (Not sure if they call him a god or not, per say).



..not if you keep your mouth shut and keep it on the DL.
The whole "What they don't know, won't hurt them" category.

..like devil worship and sacrifices.



Eh, kind of already proved that wrong.
Not to mention, I don't know many who 'worship' the President or any other politician for that matter.

Technically, you could create your own religion, base it on nearly any concept or idea you want; however, when your religion begins to affect or alter someone else's freedom, rights, or what have you, THEN it becomes an issue.

Like sacrifice, or child molesting.

Muslims in one country promote terrorism, but that same religion is practiced here, and they do little 'evil' from my knowledge.



Oh....kay.



What in the world..?
While your grammar got a little confusing.. I think I know what you are trying to say.

..except the 'unleashing upon the world part'.

You can hold faith in something, and never say a word about it to anyone. Your faith doesn't have to 'affect' anything or anyone.

Some, however, can take it to this extreme.



What in the unholy he**?!

You believe in a God..
..you MUST believe that murdering without any logical justification i OK?

Seriously?

That is such a blatant lie.



I don't even see how that question holds any logic.

You are making it like I believe in the Boogeyman.
Through my belief, he appears.
Eats twenty people.
That becomes my fault.

Granted, I was the source, so maybe it that extreme case.

However, a Christian's faith has 'produced' a 'God' that has ever physically 'done' anything to anyone outside of a Book.

but yet AdventureBegins... you failed to explain what Faith is...only then will it reveal if you are responsible for the choices others make

people claim Faith but refuse to give a clear explanation as to what Faith is...

so far what I been given by those that claim that they have Faith is that it exist somewhere between Delusion and Witchcraft

if this does not apply to you...then explain what Faith is ..er..do I need Faith that you can do this without using parables?

one of the points of this thread is the argument if one has the "right" to practice a belief if it exceeds the laws of the government or governments in which it is practice ...and of course as I've pointed out, the answer to that would be "no"

No, there are only "state sanctioned" religions, and even those have to be run according to the rules the state lays down to society.

For example:

A person could not openly worship Zeus or Osiris anymore, nor if you built a temple to one would you be allowed the same protections and exemptions by law. I'm fairly certain that when you started sacrificing animals to this god (whoever {s}he may be), that the ASPCA and PETA would have something to say about it as well. (This is a shame too, as I have recently read about some of the rituals - I think the annual orgy would be a blast!)


Neither could a person worship the Jaguar god of the Maya. The second you started sacrificing to that particular god, they'd lock you up and throw away the key, religious freedom be damned.


Even the Mormons are no longer allowed to have multiple wives, because this did not fall under "acceptable" beliefs. Society has also moved away from their former practice of arranging marriages with church defined partners at the age of fourteen. This, in some places, is still in transition, because society as a whole is less that 150 years removed from this practice.

..first of all i have to say "i haven't heard God say anything"..now i've seen a book that says this is what happened and this is what God said..but i haven't heard God say a thing..so what is religion other than a belief in what "man" has written... jmo

and this is why all beliefs pertaining to following the laws of a God retains the status of a Cult... until or unless the Government(s)in which it is practice deem it to be a Religion and not a Cult

until someone includes Faith,then amazingly the bible is no longer a book written by man but inspired by God

so is this type of thinking delusional...pertains to evolution... or perhaps something in the drinking water

but things will be clearer if a believer can actually come and explain what Faith is ..er...of course without sounding delusional

The religion/beliefs are not daily fashion or impulsive wish to believe in something or to practice something ..

The main religions and believes are proved by time and morality of societies /not only one or in one country/ and they stay in the base of law and general social life . They are value in each country and society in the past, present and perhaps in the future

There are many ideas/movements proclaimed like a religion or belief but the time checking put them in the case ' cults' or 'sects'. Anyone know what are they

as far as I know,, the laws of the land come FIRST

any religious practice that doesnt conflict with THE LAW,, is basically a right


child molestation, assault, murder,,etc,, are against the law
any such religious practice would/should also be,,,


wearing a certain article of clothing is not against any law, and therefore would/should be a right,,,

Faith is easy.

I know that when I point my feet this way. God will be with me.

I know that when I point my feet that way. God also will be with me.

My path I chose and God will be with me.

To witness all that I see.

it is not a thing I can grasp as one does a tool.

It just is...

In me.

Faith, in itself, is just to believe in something that you cannot prove, outside of your own experiences.

It'd be more closely, since you feel this desire to rename Faith as something, to delusion.

Witchcraft? Right.

one such religion/belief/Cult is Santa Claus ...everything is done by the parents and society to promote to children that Santa Claus is truth,

you will even find on some News Program as you watch them tell of world events that they have a "Santa Tracker" in which News Archors on the program actually use radar to track Santa and his flying reindeers and use heat sensor technology to follow Rudolph's Red Nose ...

Santa Claus is promoted the same way as God, the only difference is Santa do not expect or require children to kill in his name...when it gets to the point of killing...do children have the right to believe in Santa

1. Santa origin was derived from a real person(s).

2. God does not require/promote killing in his name either.

3. Those two points make your question invalid.

and within every religious belief is an ideology that a believer brings to society and/or The World that in their minds transcends Man's Law, and since beliefs are what governs one's actions and/or their frame of mind then would a belief not reveal the true nature of a person

FOR EXAMPLE
followers of God therefore must approve that it's ok to torture or murder people for what they believe in...or don't believe in ..especially since this is the idealogy of their God or Gods in general

this could result in endless arguments and debates whether the people brought the wrath of GOd upon themselves until you remind them that their belief is based on Faith and Faith envokes responsibility from God and onto the believer

and this is why this thread seeks a clear explanation as to what Faith is...when it comes to if one has the right to believe

come on AdventureBegins, you still haven't given a clear explanation as to what Faith is

FOR EXAMPLE:
you stated that when you point your feet this way, that God will be with you ....

so what happen

did you use Faith to conjure up God...which points to witchcraft

are you using Faith to delude yourself that God is with you..which points to delusion

believing in something you can not prove that pertains to a God is called religious belief not Faith ...Faith is what believers used to claim the belief as Truth

why do believers always claim that God does not require people to kill when it's clearly in the bible that he asked people to kill

perhaps Faith is the ability to delude oneself that such passages or stories does not exist in the bible...which points to delusion

or perhaps Faith is the ability to magically make those passage disappear from the bible...which points to Faith being witchcraft

1. belief is not action

we have the right to BELIEVE whatever we want

we just dont have a (legal) right to behave in whatever manner we want


2. the topic was introduced regarding PRACTICES, which may be actions, and the answer is still that the law of the land predominates any religious tradition or belief when it comes to our ACTIONS

3. There is a general difference between, for instance, expecting a DOCTOR to be able to perform surgery, and expecting any general layman to do so. People have their own interpretations of where , in the bible, specific requests are being made for specific people(when some have been called upon for a specific purpose) in specific situations or general guidance is being given (such as commandments that governed life in general)