..even if the Holy Spirit, which I don't know when he first surfaced (or it idk what its gender is); Jesus, aka, the Son, wasn't around yet..

And he wouldn't be for another 1,000 years or so..

..but even so, the only mention of the Spirit to that point, was He, himself "..the Spirit of God moved across.."

..thus, he'd be referring to himself in the third person? o.O

first surface of the 'holy spirit' was when god breathed upon the Abyss and creation came.
Second was when he breathed upon the Earth and made Adam.

Holy spirit as a word came when the science of man found a way of explaning it that fit a new understanding.

Is it not allways so?

We learn new things...

We apply new labels to old things.

EDIT** Yet... We learn more and find that BOTH apply so the word be not changed but uplifted.

In each new generation the Word remains and as knowledge grows it agrees again with the Word as given before.

So wonder be not gone no matter how great the science...

God is still greater.

Yes...GOD HIMSELF...WHO IS ONLY ONE GOD...

But there are 3 separate persons IN ONE GOD..or 3

distinctions IN ONE GOD...


and no...I do not mean human persons...

Persons is just a way of expaining the Tri-une GOD,

WHO is ONE GOD.


Again, there is ONLY ONE GOD.

ONLY ONE SUPREME BEING...ONLY ONE GOD ALMIGHTY .

I know that, I just mean, that the whole tri-thing wouldn't be in 'effect' yet.

..and I'd respond to Adventure, but again, his words baffle. :(

Breathed into the.. abyss?

I'm taking this as you mean 'darkness'.
But there's a problem with that.

Unless what I've read and been taught has been altered since I've last checked, which I won't toss out as an impossibility.

..the sun is older than the Earth.
I'll double check this, but that' what I heard before.

So, before I engage to heavily, I'll double check my own knowledge.



..what? o.O



Sure, why not. :D



I agree heavily with this.
Cause I understand it. :D



..yup. Lost me again.

Are you saying, that as time passes, science is proving that the Bible is.. valid?

If so, it is and it isn't. It's both.
Somethings are being 'proven'; yet common sense and basic understanding; also disproves the same things.

For example:

Originally, they found seashells high in the mountains which was said to be proof that the Great Flood occurred. However, they were found nowhere else.

Later, it was also discovered a massive meteor had, at some point, crashed into the ocean just off the coast.

Tsunami anyone?

This both explains why someone, in an age lacking of scientific proof of tsunami's and massive tidal waves would deem this an 'act of God'. At the same time, common sense tells you, if someone saw said event; Great Flood also didn't happen because it 'killed' everyone.

It also explains why there weren't any seashells discovered in any other mountainous region outside of that immediate area.

Perception.



M.O.P.

Breathed upon (not in).

Does not Genesis state that God moved upon the Abyss? (Where is God is also the holy spirit).

Does not Genesis state that God made the heavens before the earth?

Would he not have had to make the Sun before the Earth so the earth have the proper energy state to support life?

Mankind grows and changes.

Yet the breath of God is still the breath of God.

One generation calls it breath. One calls it 'holy spirit' both are right.

Because the Word is.

Do not know.
I recall not said word of 'abyss'.



Yes, it does.
However, after such, it also states, right after; the Earth was 'dark and formless'. AKA lacking light.



..you'd think.



I just wish that change was for the better for once..



Reiterating:

God made Heaven.
God made Earth.

He saw all such was 'dark'.
He said, 'Let there be light'.

Such implies, the opposite; Earth before sun.

It also says: 'God hovered over the waters'.

Then later says: 'God created the waters'.

Then it also says: 'The land gave birth to trees and vegetation'.

Then says: "I create you man to tend this garden".

Yet I'm told 'nothing would die, because all was 'immortal'.

So, what's the need for a gardener, if nothing would die? o.O

Why make trees containing the source of your powers?
..especially if you never intended for anyone to eat from them?

....I can do this all day.

I haven't even left Genesis. :O

Sin_and_Sorrow....Jesus is also know as the Word.

John chapter one....

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and

the Word was God..."



Also,look up the scripture where Jesus said, " before Abraham

was , I AM ".

Beginning of.. what? o.O

The very beginning?

..as for the second.. that phrase alone is mad confusing.

Got a point in time to check said reference?

Since typing in: Jesus speaking verses
Would probably produce 7 million hits :O

When God said, let there be light and there was

light (light energy ),

there was no sun created yet.....


That is becasue God CREATED the sun to GENERATE the light God

already created ....


meaning...light was already created by God......and just

generated by the sun....to keep life going here on earth.


BUT....

in the new heavens and the new earth , there will be NO

MORE NIGHT.....But also, there will be no more need for the

sun either...because JESUS HIMSELF WILL BE THE LIGHT OF THE

WORLD.....


We are talking about a SPIRITUAL LIGHT ....not the same

kind of light as just light energy....but a LIGHT that

only comes from God.



JESUS SAID," I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD "

Whoa, whoa, whoa..

Back up your flowers and hearts for a second..

So, God..

..created light/sun version..

AFTER the Earth was already created?

..and yeah, Jesus said a lot of things, but he's some 1-2,000 years later..

If he had existed already, why make that poor woman suddenly pregnant without warning? o.O

A pillar of light with awesome glass light stairs would have been just as bad a**..

..and have him come down, clean cut, rocking some stunner shades..

Eh, sorry.. >.>

Got carried away. ^.^

Read Genesis

"He saw all such was 'dark'.
He said, 'Let there be light'. "

Aye...

The Earth and all that were upon it did not yet Know God. (i.e dark).
so he revealed himself (i.e. Light).

But the Sun was shining upon the Earth.

Light has many meanings.

Genesis is a very deep begining. (one can become lost in its many links to now).

I did?

I see no mention of this Mary in Genesis. :O

I see the words, you proclaim are related to some events spoken like thousands of years later..

..unless the events later are just references to earlier topics in an attempt to quell any qualms about the issues that would surely arise from the 'confusion' of the 'Word'. o.-

Well of course nothing would have known him yet, lol..

..nothing existed yet. xD

For there are THREE Who bear witness in heaven:

THE FATHER, THE WORD(JESUS), and THE HOLY SPIRIT;

and these THREE are ONE.” (1 John 5:7)

One thing i can type is in RL i hardly ever bring up religion,but the times it did happen i bring up science and use it against their God,then after awhile they start getting pissed cause they got tired of hearing themselves say "I don't know" everytime i asked "why is it?"

all humans living in a garden without an education beyond that of a serpent is not proof of the existence of a God it's only proof that they were uneducated, they didn't even know they were naked, also according to the bible "no man hath seen God and lived" which means that Adam and Eve never saw God which is why they were only limited to a belief in one

once taking from the fruit is when they gain knowledge and their offsprings could question whether Gods did exist and that is when Heresy arosed

Heresy had to exist before Atheism and before Common Sense

Please give the verse that says that.

So, you are saying..

Because they lacked any type of common sense or knowledge..
..is why they created a God? o.o

Interesting.