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I dont understand the argument , both works and faith are logically significant faith, because works without it is dead and works, because once one has faith , it is express through the works,,, TALKING ABOUT REQUIREMETS FOR SALVATION, MSHARMONY. WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO COWBOY, THAT WORKS IS NOT REQUIRED FOR SALVATION....... SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT OF GRACE..NO WORKS REQUIRED... BUT WORKS FOLLOW AFTERWARDS,OF COURSE, AS A RESULT OF SALVATION...... Again, so your judging the faith these people had while they claimed to be Christian? Works do no automatically follow after one places the faith. One has to work at doing the works and or work at being obedient. That is where our conscience plays a part. Because if what you say were true, once one accepts Jesus and is saved and all. Jesus' forgiveness would then become pointless. There would be no need for forgiveness of any further sins, for there would be none committed. Unless you're gonna tell me you have not commited one sin since you were saved. Please don't take me wrong, not questioning your faith at all. But if you can honestly tell me you have not committed even one little single sin since you were saved, I'll look more into my own self. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Jesus is our God, he is our God almighty, he is our father, he is our lord, he is so much more.
Luke 4:12 12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. But YOU DON'T BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY...JUST "our"god Almighty" ....YOU MEAN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT "god almighty " from GOD ALMIGHTY!!!!!! A DIFFERENT "JESUS" ENTIRELY FROM THE CHRISTIAN JESUS!!! |
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god almighty, GOD ALMIGHTY
does it mean something so different? |
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Jesus is our God, he is our God almighty, he is our father, he is our lord, he is so much more.
Luke 4:12 12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. But YOU DON'T BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY...JUST "our"god Almighty" ....YOU MEAN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT "god almighty " from GOD ALMIGHTY!!!!!! A DIFFERENT "JESUS" ENTIRELY FROM THE CHRISTIAN JESUS!!! But YOU DON'T BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY...JUST "our"god Almighty" ....YOU MEAN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT "god almighty " No I don't... what are you talking about? Jesus is our father, our God. Because Jesus is the one whom created us, he is whom created the Earth and Heavens. Jesus is our father, our God, our Lord, and much more. Jesus and his father are one "God". They both are the authority over us. Chain of command plays in here. We go through Jesus to get to HIS father, again Jesus is OUR father, he is the whom created us. Of course this was before he was "Jesus", or well before he took on the form of a servant. Genesis 2:4 4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, |
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god almighty, GOD ALMIGHTY does it mean something so different? Not ment insultively, but MorningSong believe punctuation means everything. |
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No works do not automatically come after one puts in the faith. Or else we would not have fallen away Christians, or Christians that later decided to not believe. Unless you're telling me you are going to judge the faith they had and say it was not strong or it did not exist.
CHRISTIANS ARE THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN..... WHEN BORN AGAIN, WORKS AND OBEDIENCE ALWAYS FOLLOW SALVATION....AS PROOF OF SALVATION. WORKS AND OBEDIENCE DONE BEFORE SALVATION ,IN ORDER TO EARN SALVATION, ,IS NOTHING MORE THAN RELIGIOUS WORKS!!!! |
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Of course this was before he was "Jesus", or well before he took on the form of a servant. There was no "before he was 'Jesus'" or "before he took on the form of a servant". Jesus was crucified the moment the universe was created. |
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No works do not automatically come after one puts in the faith. Or else we would not have fallen away Christians, or Christians that later decided to not believe. Unless you're telling me you are going to judge the faith they had and say it was not strong or it did not exist.
CHRISTIANS ARE THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN..... WHEN BORN AGAIN, WORKS AND OBEDIENCE ALWAYS FOLLOW SALVATION....AS PROOF OF SALVATION. WORKS AND OBEDIENCE DONE BEFORE SALVATION ,IN ORDER TO EARN SALVATION, ,IS NOTHING MORE THAN RELIGIOUS WORKS!!!! Yes if the works are done to gain just that, they are in vein and not true heartedly done. But who's talking about that? Seems to be some misscomunications somewhere. When one gives their heart to Jesus or puts in the faith of, they are transformed into a new being, they are made a new creation. The old things are gone away now. They do not desire the things they once desired. They are born again. I think it's funny how people will go around I'm saved, he's saved, ect. We know not who is saved and who is not, even down to ourselves. For if we did, there would be no need for a "judgement" in the end of times. When we passed away on Earth we would just automatically go to Heaven or die in the flesh. Now I have faith I am saved, but none of us can know this until judgement day, or else again it wouldn't be a "judgement" day. For the judgement we receive on that faithful day is what will decide our fate. |
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Of course this was before he was "Jesus", or well before he took on the form of a servant. There was no "before he was 'Jesus'" or "before he took on the form of a servant". Jesus was crucified the moment the universe was created. Jesus wasn't created, he has always been. |
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Of course this was before he was "Jesus", or well before he took on the form of a servant. There was no "before he was 'Jesus'" or "before he took on the form of a servant". Jesus was crucified the moment the universe was created. Jesus wasn't created, he has always been. I didn't say that Jesus was created, now did I? Why can't you simply address what someone says instead of creating all of these strawman fallacies? |
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Of course this was before he was "Jesus", or well before he took on the form of a servant. There was no "before he was 'Jesus'" or "before he took on the form of a servant". Jesus was crucified the moment the universe was created. Jesus wasn't created, he has always been. I didn't say that Jesus was created, now did I? Why can't you simply address what someone says instead of creating all of these strawman fallacies? I sincerely apologise. I misread your comment, you said when the "universe" was created. Again, I apologise. |
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Of course this was before he was "Jesus", or well before he took on the form of a servant. There was no "before he was 'Jesus'" or "before he took on the form of a servant". Jesus was crucified the moment the universe was created. Jesus wasn't created, he has always been. I didn't say that Jesus was created, now did I? Why can't you simply address what someone says instead of creating all of these strawman fallacies? I sincerely apologise. I misread your comment, you said when the "universe" was created. Again, I apologise. But no Jesus wasn't crucified when the universe was created. Jesus wasn't crucified until the fulfilment of the previous covenant God made with us. Jesus' resurrection finished the covenant. So he could not have been crucified with the creation of the universe, for their was a time before Jesus took on the form of a servant. |
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Ephesians 2 :8-9
"For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THRU FAITH ; and that NOT of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God: NOT AS A RESULT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST." Romans 3:24 and are JUSTIFIED FREELY BY HIS GRACE through the REDEMPTION that came BY CHRIST JESUS . Romans 9:16 It does NOT, therefore, DEPEND on man's DESIRES OR EFFORT, but ON GOD'S MERCY . Ephesians 2:5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions-- it is by GRACE you have been SAVED. |
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god almighty, GOD ALMIGHTY does it mean something so different? COWBOY BELIEVES GOD ALMIGHTY IS A TOTALLY SEPARATE GOD From JESUS . HE BELEIVES JESUS IS JUST our god"...a completely different separate god from GOD ALMIGHTY. |
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Ephesians 2 :8-9 "For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THRU FAITH ; and that NOT of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God: NOT AS A RESULT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST." Romans 3:24 and are JUSTIFIED FREELY BY HIS GRACE through the REDEMPTION that came BY CHRIST JESUS . Romans 9:16 It does NOT, therefore, DEPEND on man's DESIRES OR EFFORT, but ON GOD'S MERCY . Ephesians 2:5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions-- it is by GRACE you have been SAVED. Matthew 25:31-43 31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. |
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But no Jesus wasn't crucified when the universe was created. Jesus wasn't crucified until the fulfilment of the previous covenant God made with us. Jesus' resurrection finished the covenant. So he could not have been crucified with the creation of the universe, for their was a time before Jesus took on the form of a servant. Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 12/04/11 09:07 PM
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Matthew 25:31-43
31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not AGAIN, WHEN ONE IS SAVED, WORKS WILL FOLLOW...AS PROOF . BUT THOSE WHO THINK THEY CAN GET TO GOD ON THEIR OWN MERIT, GOD WILL SAY TO THEM," DEPART FROM ME, I NEVER KNEW YOU." |
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god almighty, GOD ALMIGHTY does it mean something so different? COWBOY BELIEVES GOD ALMIGHTY IS A TOTALLY SEPARATE GOD From JESUS . HE BELEIVES JESUS IS JUST our god"...a completely different separate god from GOD ALMIGHTY. There is but one God. "God" is not a being. What is one of the commandments? Luke 10:27 27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. Notice love the lord THY God. Matthew 27:46 46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Then Jesus referred to his father as his God. |
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AGAIN, WHEN ONE IS SAVED, WORKS WILL FOLLOW. BUT THOSE WHO THINK THEY CAN GET TO GOD ON THEIR OWN MERIT, GOD WILL SAY TO THEM," DEPART FROM ME, I NEVER KNEW YOU." Never said anyone could get to God on their own. Jesus is the only path to God. |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Sun 12/04/11 09:08 PM
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But no Jesus wasn't crucified when the universe was created. Jesus wasn't crucified until the fulfilment of the previous covenant God made with us. Jesus' resurrection finished the covenant. So he could not have been crucified with the creation of the universe, for their was a time before Jesus took on the form of a servant. Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Notice slain FROM the foundation of the world. God has made the foundation of the world with us, the people of the Earth. We have slain Jesus, we put Jesus on the cross. Does not say "Slain AT the foundation of the world". |
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