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Topic: Women In The Bible
CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/04/11 07:29 PM
COWBOY.....YOU TWISTED MY WORDS AGAIN.... I WAS SAYING WE CAN'T OBEY ON OUR OWN STRENGTH ,UNTIL WE ARE SAVED ( TO DO SO IS JUST WORKS)...YET YOU TWISTED MY WORDS AGAIN, TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE I WAS SAYING IT ISN'T NECCESSARY TO OBEY GOD AT ALL. POINT BEING, YOU TURN WHAT I SAY INTO SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT . YOU HAVE PULLED THIS ON ME MANY TIMES BEFORE.... THEREFORE, DO NOT RESPOND TO MY POSTS ANYMORE ON HERE ....OK? I AM DONE . WE CAN'T OBEY ON OUR OWN STRENGTH 17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Then why would they waste their time telling us this? No we can't specifically do it on our own. Never said we could. But God doesn't do it on his own either. Eternal life is a reward we earn through our obedience to the law. This is both a show of works and faith. For if the person did not have the faith, they would not worry about the works. If one did not do the works, they must not have the faith, ect. TO DO SO IS JUST WORKS The only time it is "just works" is from either just walking through the motions because you think you have to. Or doing it specifically just to get favour in God's eyes.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/04/11 07:30 PM
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only BY WORKS A MAN IS JUSTIFIED...YES...BUT THAT DID NOT SAY BY WORKS A MAN IS SAVED !!!! PLEASE STOP WITH YOUR TWISTINNG AND MISINTERPRETING SCRIPTURE ON HERE!! No it did not, takes both faith and works. Either one alone does not work.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/04/11 07:33 PM
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only BY WORKS A MAN IS JUSTIFIED...YES...BUT THAT DID NOT SAY BY WORKS A MAN IS SAVED !!!! PLEASE STOP WITH YOUR TWISTINNG AND MISINTERPRETING SCRIPTURE ON HERE!! No it did not, takes both faith and works. Either one alone does not work. One without the other is dead. Works without faith is in vein, it is dead. Faith without works is a lie, for actions speak louder then words.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Sun 12/04/11 07:34 PM
Works are a confirmation of your faith. If your works show the contrary to what you say your faith is, then are you telling the truth about your faith? Do you truly believe as such if you do not act accordingly? That's why we will be judged in the end of times. If it only took faith, what would there then to be judged on? WE KNOW WORKS IS A CONFIRMATION OF OUR FAITH!!!!!!!! WE ARE SIMPLY SAYING THAT WORKS ARE NOT NOT NOT NOT REQUIRED FOR SALVATIION ( LIKE YOU ARE SAYING.....)!!!! SO ONCE MORE....QUIT WITH THE TWISTING OF WORDS ON HERE !!!!!!

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/04/11 07:38 PM Edited by CowboyGH on Sun 12/04/11 07:40 PM
Works are a confirmation of your faith. If your works show the contrary to what you say your faith is, then are you telling the truth about your faith? Do you truly believe as such if you do not act accordingly? That's why we will be judged in the end of times. If it only took faith, what would there then to be judged on? WE KNOW WORKS IS A CONFIRMATION OF OUR FAITH!!!!!!!! WE ARE SIMPLY SAYING THAT WORKS ARE NOT NOT NOT NOT REQUIRED FOR SALVATIION ( LIKE YOU ARE SAYING.....)!!!! SO ONCE MORE....QUIT WITH THE TWISTING OF WORDS ON HERE !!!!!! Faith without works is a lie. The actions show and confirm what the faith it. If it was not required, it would not be included. Cause if it's included but not needed, it is said in vein. And our God would not do such a thing.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 12/04/11 07:41 PM
I dont understand the argument , both works and faith are logically significant faith, because works without it is dead and works, because once one has faith , it is express through the works,,,

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Sun 12/04/11 07:42 PM Edited by MorningSong on Sun 12/04/11 07:44 PM
That is why Jesus' death is such a great thing. Jesus did not do one sin his entire life, yet he took our sins in him and died for us on that cross so we could have eternal life through him. And the resurrection was Jesus defeating death for us all, giving us eternal life evermore. ONLY IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE AND RECEIVE THE REAL JESUS INTO YOUR HEART ,THE ONE WHO IS GOD ALMIGHTY...AND LORD AND SAVIOUR....IS ETERNAL LIFE POSSIBLE BUT NOT IF YOU JUST BELEVE HIM TO BE SOME MERE "god" or "just "our god"...or just some mere " lord and saviour "( with a lower case l and s )!!!!!~!!!!

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/04/11 07:43 PM
I dont understand the argument , both works and faith are logically significant faith, because works without it is dead and works, because once one has faith , it is express through the works,,, Exactly, that's all my point is. One can not have one but not the other. Both equally important.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/04/11 07:44 PM
That is why Jesus' death is such a great thing. Jesus did not do one sin his entire life, yet he took our sins in him and died for us on that cross so we could have eternal life through him. And the resurrection was Jesus defeating death for us all, giving us eternal life evermore. ONLY IF YOU TRULY BELEIVE AND RECIEVE THE REAL JESUS INTO YOUR HEART ,WHO IS GOD ALMIGHTY...AND LORD AND SAVIOUR.... BUT NOT IF YOU JUST BELEVE HIM TO BA A MERE "god" or "just "our god"...or just some mere " lord and saviour "( with a lower case l and s )!!!!!~!!!! I do no believe God will hold anyone accountable for punctuation.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Sun 12/04/11 07:51 PM Edited by MorningSong on Sun 12/04/11 07:53 PM
Jesus fulfilled the prophesies of the covenant died on the cross for us. And defeated death for all with his resurrection. JESUS BORE OUR SINS ON THAT CROSS,BUT NOT ONLY OUR SINS, BUT ALSO OUR SICKNESS, DISEASES, GRIEFS, AND SORROWS ON THAT CROSS ALSO.... SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BEAR THEM ANYMORE. Exactly. That is why Jesus' death is such a great thing. Jesus did not do one sin his entire life, yet he took our sins in him and died for us on that cross so we could have eternal life through him. And the resurrection was Jesus defeating death for us all, giving us eternal life evermore. IF THAT WAS NOT GOD ALMIGHTY ON THAT CROSS, WE ARE STILL DEAD IN OUR SINS !!!!!! ONLY GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF , COULD BEAR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD ON THAT CROSS...and NOT just some little "god" or.....just an "our god".... THAT MEANS JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY...NOT just a "god" or "our god" !!!

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/04/11 07:54 PM
Jesus fulfilled the prophesies of the covenant died on the cross for us. And defeated death for all with his resurrection. JESUS BORE OUR SINS ON THAT CROSS,BUT NOT ONLY OUR SINS, BUT ALSO OUR SICKNESS, DISEASES, GRIEFS, AND SORROWS ON THAT CROSS ALSO.... SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BEAR THEM ANYMORE. Exactly. That is why Jesus' death is such a great thing. Jesus did not do one sin his entire life, yet he took our sins in him and died for us on that cross so we could have eternal life through him. And the resurrection was Jesus defeating death for us all, giving us eternal life evermore. IF THAT WAS NOT GOD ALMIGHTY ON THAT CROSS, WE ARE STILL DEAD IN OUR SINS !!!!!! ONLY GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF , COULD BEAR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD ON THAT CROSS...and NOT just some little "god" or.....just an "our god".... THAT MEANS JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY...NOT just a "god" or "our god" !!! Jesus is our God, he is our God almighty, he is our father, he is our lord, he is so much more. Luke 4:12 12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 12/04/11 07:56 PM
"And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, "Father (Pater), 'into Your hands I commit My spirit.'" Having said this, He breathed His last." (Luke 23:46, NKJV)

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/04/11 07:57 PM
Jesus fulfilled the prophesies of the covenant died on the cross for us. And defeated death for all with his resurrection. JESUS BORE OUR SINS ON THAT CROSS,BUT NOT ONLY OUR SINS, BUT ALSO OUR SICKNESS, DISEASES, GRIEFS, AND SORROWS ON THAT CROSS ALSO.... SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BEAR THEM ANYMORE. Exactly. That is why Jesus' death is such a great thing. Jesus did not do one sin his entire life, yet he took our sins in him and died for us on that cross so we could have eternal life through him. And the resurrection was Jesus defeating death for us all, giving us eternal life evermore. IF THAT WAS NOT GOD ALMIGHTY ON THAT CROSS, WE ARE STILL DEAD IN OUR SINS !!!!!! ONLY GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF , COULD BEAR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD ON THAT CROSS...and NOT just some little "god" or.....just an "our god".... THAT MEANS JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY...NOT just a "god" or "our god" !!! Jesus is our God, he is our God almighty, he is our father, he is our lord, he is so much more. Luke 4:12 12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Again, I highly doubt God truly cares all to much about punctuation. It's called typing errors and so forth. We have faults and God knows this.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/04/11 07:59 PM
Jesus fulfilled the prophesies of the covenant died on the cross for us. And defeated death for all with his resurrection. JESUS BORE OUR SINS ON THAT CROSS,BUT NOT ONLY OUR SINS, BUT ALSO OUR SICKNESS, DISEASES, GRIEFS, AND SORROWS ON THAT CROSS ALSO.... SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BEAR THEM ANYMORE. Exactly. That is why Jesus' death is such a great thing. Jesus did not do one sin his entire life, yet he took our sins in him and died for us on that cross so we could have eternal life through him. And the resurrection was Jesus defeating death for us all, giving us eternal life evermore. IF THAT WAS NOT GOD ALMIGHTY ON THAT CROSS, WE ARE STILL DEAD IN OUR SINS !!!!!! ONLY GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF , COULD BEAR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD ON THAT CROSS...and NOT just some little "god" or.....just an "our god".... THAT MEANS JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY...NOT just a "god" or "our god" !!! Jesus is our God, he is our God almighty, he is our father, he is our lord, he is so much more. Luke 4:12 12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Again, I highly doubt God truly cares all to much about punctuation. It's called typing errors and so forth. We have faults and God knows this. God cares about the message and the knowledge we share. I highly doubt he's going to frown upon grammatical errors.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Sun 12/04/11 08:06 PM
.... Eternal life is a reward we earn through our obedience to the law. This is both a show of works and faith. For if the person did not have the faith, they would not worry about the works. If one did not do the works, they must not have the faith, ect. ETERNAL LIFE IS NOT EARNED THRU OBEDIENCE.....ETERNAL LIFE COMES ONLY AS A RESULT OF SALVATION...NOTHING ELSE. THE REST HAS ALREADY BEEN EXPLAINED. I'M DONE REHASHING ....

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Sun 12/04/11 08:10 PM
Faith without works is a lie, for actions speak louder then words. HAS ALREADY BEEN EXPLAINED.....

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/04/11 08:11 PM
.... Eternal life is a reward we earn through our obedience to the law. This is both a show of works and faith. For if the person did not have the faith, they would not worry about the works. If one did not do the works, they must not have the faith, ect. ETERNAL LIFE IS NOT EARNED THRU OBEDIENCE.....ETERNAL LIFE COMES ONLY AS A RESULT OF SALVATION...NOTHING ELSE. THE REST HAS ALREADY BEEN EXPLAINED. I'M DONE REHASHING .... No eternal life is not earned specifically just from obedience. Takes both faith and works. One without the other is dead and or in vein.... a lie. Faith alone can not save a person Works alone can not save a person Neither one can save a person without Jesus.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/04/11 08:15 PM
Faith without works is a lie, for actions speak louder then words. HAS ALREADY BEEN EXPLAINED..... No works do not automatically come after one puts in the faith. Or else we would not have fallen away Christians, or Christians that later decided to not believe. Unless you're telling me you are going to judge the faith they had and say it was not strong or it did not exist.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Sun 12/04/11 08:16 PM Edited by MorningSong on Sun 12/04/11 08:56 PM
I dont understand the argument , both works and faith are logically significant faith, because works without it is dead and works, because once one has faith , it is express through the works,,, TALKING ABOUT REQUIREMENTS FOR SALVATION, MSHARMONY. WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO COWBOY, THAT WORKS IS NOT REQUIRED FOR SALVATION....... SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT OF GRACE..NO WORKS REQUIRED... BUT WORKS FOLLOW AFTERWARDS,OF COURSE, AS A RESULT OF SALVATION......

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/04/11 08:20 PM Edited by CowboyGH on Sun 12/04/11 08:21 PM
I dont understand the argument , both works and faith are logically significant faith, because works without it is dead and works, because once one has faith , it is express through the works,,, TALKING ABOUT REQUIREMETS FOR SALVATION, MSHARMONY. WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO COWBOY, THAT WORKS IS NOT REQUIRED FOR SALVATION....... SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT OF GRACE..NO WORKS REQUIRED... BUT WORKS FOLLOW AFTERWARDS,OF COURSE, AS A RESULT OF SALVATION...... Again, so your judging the faith these people had while they claimed to be Christian? Works do no automatically follow after one places the faith. One has to work at doing the works and or work at being obedient. That is where our conscience plays a part. Because if what you say were true, once one accepts Jesus and is saved and all. Jesus' forgiveness would then become pointless. There would be no need for forgiveness of any further sins, for there would be none committed.