Topic: Women In The Bible
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Sun 12/04/11 09:10 PM


But no Jesus wasn't crucified when the universe was created. Jesus wasn't crucified until the fulfilment of the previous covenant God made with us. Jesus' resurrection finished the covenant.

So he could not have been crucified with the creation of the universe, for their was a time before Jesus took on the form of a servant.



Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.



Notice slain FROM the foundation of the world. God has made the foundation of the world with us, the people of the Earth. We have slain Jesus, we put Jesus on the cross.

Does not say "Slain AT the foundation of the world".


No, you are wrong again.

God exists outside of time. Genesis 1:1 through Revelation 22:20 and beyond all happened at the same moment for God.

You have to try to understand this stuff, you can't just make it up.

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Sun 12/04/11 09:12 PM



But no Jesus wasn't crucified when the universe was created. Jesus wasn't crucified until the fulfilment of the previous covenant God made with us. Jesus' resurrection finished the covenant.

So he could not have been crucified with the creation of the universe, for their was a time before Jesus took on the form of a servant.



Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.



Notice slain FROM the foundation of the world. God has made the foundation of the world with us, the people of the Earth. We have slain Jesus, we put Jesus on the cross.

Does not say "Slain AT the foundation of the world".


No, you are wrong again.

God exists outside of time. Genesis 1:1 through Revelation 22:20 and beyond all happened at the same moment for God.

You have to try to understand this stuff, you can't just make it up.


Not making anything up, and not talking specifically about "time". It's called sequence.

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Sun 12/04/11 09:14 PM




But no Jesus wasn't crucified when the universe was created. Jesus wasn't crucified until the fulfilment of the previous covenant God made with us. Jesus' resurrection finished the covenant.

So he could not have been crucified with the creation of the universe, for their was a time before Jesus took on the form of a servant.



Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.



Notice slain FROM the foundation of the world. God has made the foundation of the world with us, the people of the Earth. We have slain Jesus, we put Jesus on the cross.

Does not say "Slain AT the foundation of the world".


No, you are wrong again.

God exists outside of time. Genesis 1:1 through Revelation 22:20 and beyond all happened at the same moment for God.

You have to try to understand this stuff, you can't just make it up.


Not making anything up, and not talking specifically about "time". It's called sequence.


If Jesus was slain before the foundation of the Earth. Who was he slain by?

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Sun 12/04/11 09:17 PM

Not making anything up, and not talking specifically about "time". It's called sequence.


CowboyGH,

I don't know what to say. You really are out of your depth.

From God's and the spiritual realm's perspective, Jesus died when the universe was created.

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Sun 12/04/11 09:19 PM


Not making anything up, and not talking specifically about "time". It's called sequence.


CowboyGH,

I don't know what to say. You really are out of your depth.

From God's and the spiritual realm's perspective, Jesus died when the universe was created.


Maybe from God's perspective, yes. But we live in this perspective for now where time matters and sequence is important.

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Sun 12/04/11 09:20 PM

If Jesus was slain before the foundation of the Earth. Who was he slain by?


He was crucified by the Romans.

From outside of time, everything happens at the same time. It's not an easy concept to get, but because you don't get it, that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

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Sun 12/04/11 09:21 PM


If Jesus was slain before the foundation of the Earth. Who was he slain by?


He was crucified by the Romans.

From outside of time, everything happens at the same time. It's not an easy concept to get, but because you don't get it, that doesn't mean I'm wrong.


Didn't say you were wrong lol.

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Sun 12/04/11 09:22 PM



If Jesus was slain before the foundation of the Earth. Who was he slain by?


He was crucified by the Romans.

From outside of time, everything happens at the same time. It's not an easy concept to get, but because you don't get it, that doesn't mean I'm wrong.


Didn't say you were wrong lol.


But if it was "outside" of time, then how was it they knew what time it was when it happened?

Matthew 27:46

46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

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Sun 12/04/11 09:24 PM
Edited by Spidercmb on Sun 12/04/11 09:24 PM



If Jesus was slain before the foundation of the Earth. Who was he slain by?


He was crucified by the Romans.

From outside of time, everything happens at the same time. It's not an easy concept to get, but because you don't get it, that doesn't mean I'm wrong.


Didn't say you were wrong lol.


Yes you did, twice and then you questioned it after this post.

You don't get it, I understand that, I just wish you could accept it.

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Sun 12/04/11 09:26 PM




If Jesus was slain before the foundation of the Earth. Who was he slain by?


He was crucified by the Romans.

From outside of time, everything happens at the same time. It's not an easy concept to get, but because you don't get it, that doesn't mean I'm wrong.


Didn't say you were wrong lol.


Yes you did, twice and then you questioned it after this post.

You don't get it, I understand that, I just wish you could accept it.


All I did was ask a question, I made no comment towards if you were right or wrong.

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Sun 12/04/11 09:30 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Sun 12/04/11 09:33 PM


Jesus is our God, he is our God almighty, he is our father, he is our lord, he is so much more.

Luke 4:12

12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.




But YOU DON'T BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD

ALMIGHTY...JUST "our"god Almighty" ....YOU MEAN AN ENTIRELY

DIFFERENT "god almighty "

from

GOD ALMIGHTY!!!!!!



A DIFFERENT "JESUS" ENTIRELY FROM THE CHRISTIAN JESUS!!!








But YOU DON'T BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD

ALMIGHTY...JUST "our"god Almighty" ....YOU MEAN AN ENTIRELY

DIFFERENT "god almighty "


No I don't... what are you talking about? Jesus is our father, our God. Because Jesus is the one whom created us, he is whom created the Earth and Heavens. Jesus is our father, our God, our Lord, and much more. Jesus and his father are one "God". They both are the authority over us. Chain of command plays in here. We go through Jesus to get to HIS father, again Jesus is OUR father, he is the whom created us. Of course this was before he was "Jesus", or well before he took on the form of a servant.

Genesis 2:4

4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,



ALL WE NEED TO DO IS CHECK YOUR PAST POSTS....:cry:



YOU ARE FOOLING NO ONE.....:cry:

YOU HAVE SAID SOOO MANY TIMES, THAT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE

FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT IS ONE GOD ALMIGHTY...OR ONE

ENTITY...


YOU DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD...JUST "our

god" ...WHOM YOU BELEIVE TO BE A TOTALLY SEPARATE "ENTITY"

FROM GOD ALMIGHTY....


NOW YOU TRY TO TWIST THINGS....AND TRY TO DECIEVE OTHERS INTO

THINKING THAT YOU DO BELEIVE AS OTHER CHRISTIANS DO...WHEN YOU DO NOT..... AT ALL.............:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

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Sun 12/04/11 09:31 PM

But if it was "outside" of time, then how was it they knew what time it was when it happened?

Matthew 27:46

46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?


Let's just drop it, this isn't going to produce any fruit.

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Sun 12/04/11 09:35 PM



Jesus is our God, he is our God almighty, he is our father, he is our lord, he is so much more.

Luke 4:12

12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.




But YOU DON'T BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD

ALMIGHTY...JUST "our"god Almighty" ....YOU MEAN AN ENTIRELY

DIFFERENT "god almighty "

from

GOD ALMIGHTY!!!!!!



A DIFFERENT "JESUS" ENTIRELY FROM THE CHRISTIAN JESUS!!!
















But YOU DON'T BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD

ALMIGHTY...JUST "our"god Almighty" ....YOU MEAN AN ENTIRELY

DIFFERENT "god almighty "


No I don't... what are you talking about? Jesus is our father, our God. Because Jesus is the one whom created us, he is whom created the Earth and Heavens. Jesus is our father, our God, our Lord, and much more. Jesus and his father are one "God". They both are the authority over us. Chain of command plays in here. We go through Jesus to get to HIS father, again Jesus is OUR father, he is the whom created us. Of course this was before he was "Jesus", or well before he took on the form of a servant.

Genesis 2:4

4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,



ALL WE NEED TO DO IS CHECK YOUR PAST POSTS....:cry:



YOU ARE FOOLING NO ONE.....:cry:

YOU HAVE SAID SOOO MANY TIMES, THAT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE

FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT IS ONE GOD ALMIGHTY...OR ONE

ENTITY...


YOU DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD...JUST "our

god" ...WHOM YOU BELEIVE TO BE A TOTALLY SEPARATE "ENTITY"

FROM GOD ALMIGHTY....


NOW YOU TRY TO TWIST THINGS....AND TRY TO DECIEVE OTHERS INTO

THINKING THAT YOU DO BELEIVE AS OTHER CHRISTIANS DO...WHEN YOU DON'T AT ALL.............:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:



No, it's called learning and growing. Jesus is God, the creator of the Heavens and Earth. God the Father eg., Jesus' father is a separate entity, but they are one God. A "God" is not an entity in itself. It is a descriptive word, it shows authority. That is why Jesus is referred to as our God. The Lord THY God, YOUR God. Showing he has the authority over us. So does his father and The Holy Spirit. They all work together AS ONE, making up ONE God.

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Sun 12/04/11 09:39 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Sun 12/04/11 09:41 PM



Jesus is our God, he is our God almighty, he is our father, he is our lord, he is so much more.

Luke 4:12

12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.




But YOU DON'T BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD

ALMIGHTY...JUST "our"god Almighty" ....YOU MEAN AN ENTIRELY

DIFFERENT "god almighty "

from

GOD ALMIGHTY!!!!!!



A DIFFERENT "JESUS" ENTIRELY FROM THE CHRISTIAN JESUS!!!








But YOU DON'T BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD

ALMIGHTY...JUST "our"god Almighty" ....YOU MEAN AN ENTIRELY

DIFFERENT "god almighty "


No I don't... what are you talking about? Jesus is our father, our God. Because Jesus is the one whom created us, he is whom created the Earth and Heavens. Jesus is our father, our God, our Lord, and much more. Jesus and his father are one "God". They both are the authority over us. Chain of command plays in here. We go through Jesus to get to HIS father, again Jesus is OUR father, he is the whom created us. Of course this was before he was "Jesus", or well before he took on the form of a servant.

Genesis 2:4

4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,



ALL WE NEED TO DO IS CHECK YOUR PAST POSTS....:cry:



YOU ARE FOOLING NO ONE.....:cry:

YOU HAVE SAID SOOO MANY TIMES, THAT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE

FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT IS ONE GOD ALMIGHTY...OR ONE

ENTITY...


YOU DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD...JUST "our

god" ...WHOM YOU BELEIVE TO BE A TOTALLY SEPARATE "ENTITY"

FROM GOD ALMIGHTY....


NOW YOU TRY TO TWIST THINGS....AND TRY TO DECIEVE OTHERS INTO

THINKING THAT YOU DO BELEIVE AS OTHER CHRISTIANS DO...WHEN YOU DO NOT..... AT ALL.............:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:




NOW YOU TRY TO TWIST THINGS....AND TRY TO DECIEVE OTHERS INTO

THINKING THAT YOU DO BELEIVE AS OTHER CHRISTIANS DO...WHEN YOU DO NOT..... AT ALL


What in the world are you talking about? I really find your comments such as "Believe as other Christians do" very strange. For one there really is only a very limited "Christian" faith. Christianity as a whole doesn't even have Jesus being the only begotten child of God, for Jahovah witnesses or at least some of them believe Jesus to be purely a prophet. Not God's only begotten child or anything. They view God's comment of "This is my son in whom I'm well please" and verses like that as a showing of an example. To show God is everyone's father, and we are all children of God. And so forth. Christianity in itself has very limited solid beliefs as a whole.

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Sun 12/04/11 09:50 PM




Jesus is our God, he is our God almighty, he is our father, he is our lord, he is so much more.

Luke 4:12

12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.




But YOU DON'T BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD

ALMIGHTY...JUST "our"god Almighty" ....YOU MEAN AN ENTIRELY

DIFFERENT "god almighty "

from

GOD ALMIGHTY!!!!!!



A DIFFERENT "JESUS" ENTIRELY FROM THE CHRISTIAN JESUS!!!








But YOU DON'T BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD

ALMIGHTY...JUST "our"god Almighty" ....YOU MEAN AN ENTIRELY

DIFFERENT "god almighty "


No I don't... what are you talking about? Jesus is our father, our God. Because Jesus is the one whom created us, he is whom created the Earth and Heavens. Jesus is our father, our God, our Lord, and much more. Jesus and his father are one "God". They both are the authority over us. Chain of command plays in here. We go through Jesus to get to HIS father, again Jesus is OUR father, he is the whom created us. Of course this was before he was "Jesus", or well before he took on the form of a servant.

Genesis 2:4

4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,



ALL WE NEED TO DO IS CHECK YOUR PAST POSTS....:cry:



YOU ARE FOOLING NO ONE.....:cry:

YOU HAVE SAID SOOO MANY TIMES, THAT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE

FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT IS ONE GOD ALMIGHTY...OR ONE

ENTITY...


YOU DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD...JUST "our

god" ...WHOM YOU BELEIVE TO BE A TOTALLY SEPARATE "ENTITY"

FROM GOD ALMIGHTY....


NOW YOU TRY TO TWIST THINGS....AND TRY TO DECIEVE OTHERS INTO

THINKING THAT YOU DO BELEIVE AS OTHER CHRISTIANS DO...WHEN YOU DO NOT..... AT ALL.............:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:




NOW YOU TRY TO TWIST THINGS....AND TRY TO DECIEVE OTHERS INTO

THINKING THAT YOU DO BELEIVE AS OTHER CHRISTIANS DO...WHEN YOU DO NOT..... AT ALL


What in the world are you talking about? I really find your comments such as "Believe as other Christians do" very strange. For one there really is only a very limited "Christian" faith. Christianity as a whole doesn't even have Jesus being the only begotten child of God, for Jahovah witnesses or at least some of them believe Jesus to be purely a prophet. Not God's only begotten child or anything. They view God's comment of "This is my son in whom I'm well please" and verses like that as a showing of an example. To show God is everyone's father, and we are all children of God. And so forth. Christianity in itself has very limited solid beliefs as a whole.


Heck, not even the 10 commandments are set in stone laws for today. They are found in Exodus, which is old testament, which has been fulfilled. Yes all the 10 commandments can be found through Jesus' teachings best to my knowledge. But the tablet itself of the 10 commandments were from the old covenant which has again been fulfilled.

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Sun 12/04/11 09:55 PM



YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE FATHER, JESUS AND THE HOLY

SPIRIT IS ONE ENTITY.......

YOU BELIEVE IN ANOTHER JESUS FROM THE CHRISTIAN JESUS....

YET YOU KEEP TRYING TO DECIEVE OTHERS ON HERE..TO MAKE OTHERS

THINK YOU AFE ONE OF THE SHEEP!!!!!!

YOU ARE NOT!!!!



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Sun 12/04/11 10:00 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Sun 12/04/11 10:01 PM


AND I WOULD NEVER SAY A THING LIKE

THIS...UNLESS I WAS SURE.....

YOU ARE NOT ONE OF US....

BUT SADLY,HAVE ONLY SNEAKED INTO THE FOLD...PRETENDING ONLY TO

BE ONE OF US.





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Sun 12/04/11 10:04 PM




YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE FATHER, JESUS AND THE HOLY

SPIRIT IS ONE ENTITY.......

YOU BELIEVE IN ANOTHER JESUS FROM THE CHRISTIAN JESUS....

YET YOU KEEP TRYING TO DECIEVE OTHERS ON HERE..TO MAKE OTHERS

THINK YOU AFE ONE OF THE SHEEP!!!!!!

YOU ARE NOT!!!!





If they are one "entity" as in one "person", then please explain these verses.

John 3:16

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

Sent his only begotten son, speak of two entities there, two "persons".
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John 5:30

30I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

His FATHERS will. Again, two separate entities, two "persons".
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Matthew 3:17

17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

A voice from Heaven while Jesus was on the cross, saying this is my SON, in whom I'm well pleased. Again, two separate entities, two "persons".
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But yes, they are one "God". God in itself is not an entity. It is a title, a "rank". It shows superiority. They are one God.

John 1:1

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Notice was God and was with God. Again separating two separate "persons" but one God.

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Sun 12/04/11 10:06 PM



AND I WOULD NEVER SAY A THING LIKE

THIS...UNLESS I WAS SURE.....

YOU ARE NOT ONE OF US....

BUT SADLY,HAVE ONLY SNEAKED INTO THE FOLD...PRETENDING ONLY TO

BE ONE OF US.





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:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:


Glad you can make such a judgement on another servant of the Lord. I make no lies, all my comments are backed by scriptures not taken out of context. But any ways, glad you can make such a judgement on my eternal salvation. It's moments like this that just makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

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Sun 12/04/11 10:11 PM




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