I was thinking along these lines, that different doesnt mean inferior or superior and that women were created differently from men with different biological traits and cultural roles which correlated to those traits.

It is woman that carries life into the world, which I think is pretty amazing and anything but second class,,for instance.

Women are not inferior to men, just different with different jobs and obligations. Takes both to make a family, without anyone of them, there is not family.

Human race can not reproduce or progress without men
Human race can not reproduce or progress without women.

A family is not a family without a woman
A family is not a family without a man.

And so forth and so forth.

Requires a pretty strenuous mental dump to believe that Women are less than equal!

Yes but you're telling me God decided to punish women by making it hurt? That's pretty chauvanistic don't you think?

Yes but you're telling me God decided to punish women by making it hurt? That's pretty chauvanistic don't you think?

Actions have consequences

it doesnt 'have' to be painful in this day and age

neither does sodomy

its all about choice..and consequence

So it's just for God to punish ALL women in such a way for the actions of one? I'm all for actions having consequences, but there is no way whatsoever that they should EVER extend beyond the person doing the act, innocent bystanders notwithstanding.

It's just basic common sense. No rational, sane parent would ever in their right minds punish a child for something their sibling did before them. As such if God is better than us, it wouldn't either. Simple as that.

again, subjective, based upon a personal standard of what deems something 'better'


justice is justice, it isnt about good better or best

in my eyes, it is much more of a serious consequence to consider when something will affect my children than when it will just affect me

its a powerful way to learn, and its just as a learning tool

No it's not subjective, it's plain and simple logic, which religions fail to use. There is NO WAY you can defend punishing a completely innocent person for something someone else did. I don't care how much you try, you still can't do it. It NEVER works.

If I rob a bank, should someone who just happened to be there go to jail with me? Of course not they are INNOCENT.

Same thing applies here, and again if we know this, so does God. Otherwise God is worse than us, which would be absurd if it's above us.

The Old Testament contains many passages that dictate the status of women. The very first book, Genesis, establishes women as inferior to men in creation and in social position. As a creation story the words of Genesis are sacred and are attributed directly to God.
Although the first chapter of Genesis describes God as creating both the male and female at the same time, suggesting equality between the two, the second chapter says that man was made first and that woman was made from a part of man to be his helper. The term helper may be seen as suggesting either an equal or an inferior status for Eve.
Her inferiority is firmly established in Genesis 3:16 when God discovers that she has eaten from the tree of knowledge. “Unto the woman He said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee” (KJV, Genesis 3:16). The word rule used in Genesis 3:16 comes from the Hebrew ma^shal, which can mean to rule, to have, reign and to have power.
Different translations of the bible translate the word differently but the meaning remains similar. For instance, the Living Bible translates the word as "master" and the Modern Language Bible translates it as "dominate". This single word, “rule”, powerfully communicates Eve’s position beneath Adam. Because Eve committed a transgression against God she is punished by being made totally subservient to Adam’s will.
Eve is transformed from Adam’s helper into Adam’s slave or property. This curse will be passed down to all the daughters of Eve. All these women will be inferior at birth and will inherit Eve’s subservient role.
Obviously these concepts are of man, not a loving God. A loving God would not create a woman's body and all that comes with child birth and menstruation just to call it dirty, unclean. This is man's thoughts. It is quite intimidating when the love canal turns into the birth canal. God is not intimidated by this, his own creation, man is.

No it's not subjective, it's plain and simple logic, which religions fail to use. There is NO WAY you can defend punishing a completely innocent person for something someone else did. I don't care how much you try, you still can't do it. It NEVER works.

If I rob a bank, should someone who just happened to be there go to jail with me? Of course not they are INNOCENT.

Same thing applies here, and again if we know this, so does God. Otherwise God is worse than us, which would be absurd if it's above us.

Agreed.

Man's fear and misunderstanding of women are one of the things that lead to her being "punished" and degraded throughout the bible.

Which shows you haven't read the Bible.

The Bible already states that noone can "pay" or be "punished" for the sins of another...

thats what you think 'should' happen, I 'know' no such thing

I know actions have consequences, and they are sometimes further reaching than JUST the one who performs the action,,

God is just

You know what you have been told, that's what you know, or what you think you do anyway. If you had been raised another way you'd parrot what that belief says. You are a product of false teaching.

You can say God is just all you want, but it does not excuse what the Biblical God does and it never will. If God is just it would NEVER act in such ways.

Justice is not now nor will it ever be, making every single man that ever would live, responsible for something two people did before they ever were created. This really should not be so hard to understand, it's not rocket science.

No good parent would ever do that to their kids, yet we're gonna expect that of God? Not a chance, God would be BETTER than us, not WORSE, and if it would do something we wouldn't, it'd be acting worse.

actually, I know as much or as little as anyone else who posts

I read, I experience, I am told things by others, and like anyone else, I take from it what makes the most sense to ME

I can respect your opinion that God is not just, and I can disagree and believe he is and have my opinion be just as valid as anyone elses.