Definitely, when it comes down to it, I'm gonna trust those who were actually THERE, regardless of whether the "official" story matches them or not.

I have read a lot of Wiki articles and they are sometimes very slanted. I don't really give them too much trust or credit for having or publishing the truth. I use them for some things but not when it comes to critical news. They are too vulnerable to propaganda. They are probably on the payroll. I definitely don't take them as "proof" of anything.

You have to listen to your bull sheeat meter. I have to trust my instincts on who or what to believe because there are so many lies everywhere.

Too many people are saying that they hear explosions or bombs going off before and after the plane hit. What do you do with their testimony? Kill and try to discredit all of those average citizens who have nothing to gain by saying it? Call them liars?

I don't think so.

I don't want to be contrary for the sake of being contrary, but I watched the Fact or Fiction episode and I found a lot of the same BS that I saw everywhere else. While there were some good explanations here and there and there were some expert interviews, most of the debate was handled by just one of the Popular Mechanics reporters and usually his answer was "it doesn't make sense" with no backing evidence or commentary to support his "debunking".

It needs to be said that I don't believe there were bombs in the buildings, nor do I believe the planes were remote controlled. I do think it may have been ALLOWED to happen and there are many aspects of the official story that are shady ... but lacking actual evidence to the contrary, I can't make my mind up either way.

Great video Jeannie! There is so much evidence that this was NOT just the result of planes. People are gonna think what they want, but the facts will not change.

Note at the end how it is said explicitly that this was planned. They really weren't even hiding it!

Did you watch the videos Jeannie posted, there are SEVERAL accounts from witnesses to bombs being in the building.

I would like to see more people who just want the truth. It is clear that something is being covered up. Why all the top secret?

I just want to know THE TRUTH.

I don't believe the official story. Period.

And now the term "truthers" is being hung out like people who really want the truth are a bunch of crazy people.

Its ridiculous.

So people who just want to argue are wasting their time. If they have an opinion, fine. If they want the truth, look for it and read and watch everything. Don't just pick what supports what you want to believe.

Heh. Here's a conspiracy theory for you...

William Rodriguez said he was 30 minutes late that morning. He's changed his story, exaggerated his heroism, and profited from 9/11. By his own admission, he normally ate breakfast each morning in the restaurant at the top of the tower. He had access to the master keys for much of the building.

What if Rodriguez was the one who planted any bombs? Perhaps he wasn't late at all. Maybe he was early instead. Any witnesses who could contest his alibi, such has those riding the elevator to the top floors or within the restaurant, died that day. Most of the evidence was destroyed, or possibly damaged beyond implicating him. It was Rodriguez who fingered one of the hijackers as casing the WTC only months before in hindsight. He recognized them....from about 3 months before 9/11. Why would he remember that? Maybe because he knew the hijackers. Maybe they gave him the bombs and the foreknowledge. Maybe Rodriguez betrayed his country. He may be the only one who knows because everyone else is dead.

Maybe his post 9/11 actions are not just a way to profit, but a way to avoid suspicion....an intentional cover up on his own part.

Means? Motive? Opportunity?

Add that to the list of conspiracy theories.

But if there were bombs going off, why would the official 9-11 commission ignore all the witnesses, and try to over that up?

But its a good theory.

Where did you get that information?

No there are accounts of witnesses hearing explosions. You don't need a bomb to have an explosion.

Also no one ever cares to say anything about the lack of loud explosions in any of the videos of the collapse even in ones where the collapse itself is totally audible. If it was a demolition loud explosions would have been caught on the videos.

I believe there are plenty of those recorded.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw


HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU HAVE TO SEE?

The security was very bad in the basement of the buildings. Anyone could drive in with a van full of explosives and just park it there.

This from people who worked in the building.

Bombs, explosions, secondary explosions, explosive devices....how many more times do we need to hear these words being said by 9/11 witnesses before we start asking questions about what really happened on that awful day?

All of the individual news reports in this video can be found on YouTube and other video sites. This video shows that many actual 9/11 witnesses heard and saw explosions going off inside the towers, long before they actually fell. These witnesses include police, firemen and reporters.

And what is even more shocking is the fact that all of this has been largely ignored by the mainstream media after the day itself.

For those debunkers who wish to keep saying that the explosions were caused by gas lines, please save your breath. All of the three buildings that were blown up on 9/11 were all Class-A buildings. This means that gas lines were not permitted because the buildings had to comply with the safety regulations set out for Class-A buildings. So there were no gas lines!

We really need to wake up to the facts and ask questions. If we don't, what does that say about us?

Sorry about the sync loss with the audio. All of these news clips are available elsewhere on YouTube as well as in the archives of the main news media

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw

From the Wikipedia article:

Rodriguez also claimed to have seen hijacker Mohand al-Shehri scoping out the building prior to the attacks, in June 2001. A Daily News article says he told the FBI and the 9/11 Commission that he recognized the man after a brief, chance encounter months prior to the terrorist attacks. "It is believed that American Airlines Flight 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta cased New York City targets, including the Diamond District, but Rodriguez may have given the 9/11 panel the first eyewitness testimony about a hijacker inside one of the towers before the terror strike.[47]

Footnote 47:

Meek, James Gordon (2004-06-15). "Janitor tells 9/11 panel of brush with WTC thug". New York Daily News. Archived from the original on 2006-12-21. Retrieved 2007-11-27.


I should also point out that the Twin Towers both collapsed from the top down. It did not crumble at the base. Each floor lower floor was crushed by the weight and momentum from above. Any video footage of the collapse shows that. Top moves while the bottom stays put. That's tons and tons of debris falling hundreds of feet before reaching the floors below the impact.

The security was very bad in the basement of the buildings. Anyone could drive in with a van full of explosives and just park it there.

This from Rick Rescorla who worked as head of security for Morgan Stanley in the building. He saved thousands of employees that day.

He knew the security of the buildings was bad.

watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?=w9jUEp_l7cE&feature=related

If that is true, that is quiet suspicious.

That is one BOOM. It could be lots of things. I am talking like demolition explosions. Would be dozens and dozens going off in quick succession right before the building fell. I am not saying terrorists couldn't have planted explosives. I am saying someone planting an explosive is totally different than demolition explosions.

fema camps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWhejKfhaf8&feature=related

pittsburgh shooting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gDvGkjCOqI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFbigbrC3RY&feature=related

his friends said he thought they were coming to kill him.

he was against the nwo

his mom called the police on him and thats what started everything

his intentions wernt to kill cops but thats what happened

he had guns hidden secretly underground all over his neighborhood

his friends say he was very smart and friendly he just hated the nwo

they put a gag order on him and his family

he got the death sentence

but was never allowed to talk

no conspiracy here.... move along

the end

Well at least we are making some progress. You now at least admit that there was possible planted explosives.

I'm pretty certain there were planted explosives. Maybe a truck full of them in the basement.

Icant get over the sudden and total collapse of the buildings. Working with steel I can assure you it doesnot become brittle and snap when heated it slowly softens will start to bend etc etc.

those buildings came down like the I beams were made of glass.