In what will surely be seen as a defining moment for the 9/11 truther movement, the History Channel has delivered a blow for sanity and rationalism by airing a superior documentary entitled 9/11 Conspiracies: Fact or Fiction.

There’s no other way to say it; the truthers got reamed.

They got reamed to the point that the truthers who produced the internet video Loose Change are scrambling to alter the third version of their conspiracy mongering tripe, even going so far as to drop any reference to the twin towers being blown up by the government (they continue to insist WTC #7 was brought down by explosives).

The documentary took no prisoners as it destroyed almost all of the major conspiracy theories associated with 9/11 while revealing the real motivations of the truthers; that they are part of a political movement driven by raw, unreasoning hatred of George Bush, the American government, and to some extent, America itself.

Prominently featured were historians like David Brinkley, Editor in Chief of Popular Mechanics James Meigs, and structural engineers, explosives experts, and a host of scientists, military experts, and eyewitnesses to the disaster. The cumulative effect of the testimony of the anti-conspiracists was absolutely devastating. The show left little doubt of the unhinged nature of the truthers, showing many of them – including radio host Alex Jones who has given vast amounts of air time to every kook, crazy, and nutcase with a theory on 9/11 – looking like the anti-intellectual fruitcakes they truly are.

The format was perfect. A truther would lay out a conspiracy theory which was then immediately debunked by 2 or 3 experts. Over two hours, a couple of dozen myths associated with 9/11 were laid to rest permanently including the “missile” that hit the Pentagon, the shoot down of Flight 93, the “implosion” of the towers,” and other theories not based on fact.

The implosion theory was debunked several times over. First, by the best forensic structural engineer in the country who, with the help of some excellent graphics and animation, showed exactly how the planes caused the towers to fall. An explosives expert (a young guy who was flabbergasted at the ignorance of the truthers regarding demolition) pointed out it would have taken weeks to rig the buildings for implosion and would have involved stripping drywall and ripping out walls. The nail in the coffin was supplied by one of the engineers who prepared the final report (working for the independent American Society of Civil Engineers) who showed how the collapse of the towers accounted for such things as the puffs of smoke seen in lower floors as the collapse was occurring as well as the speed of the collapse.

By the end of their presentation, I was on my feet cheering.

The emotional highlight of the documentary occurred when they had members of the victims families responding to the truthers. A confrontation at Ground Zero on the anniversary of 9/11 with the truthers screaming at family members who disagreed with them was shocking. One family member said every time she heard one of the conspiracy nuts it was like “a stab in the heart.”

Not that these nutcases care much. As the documentary showed, the truthers real goal is to blame Bush. And the disturbing poll numbers showing that 46% of the country believing the whole truth about 9/11 is being hidden by the government shows why this documentary should be viewed by everyone.

You can tell how deeply this program hurt the truther movement by the fact that they didn’t try to answer any of the points made by the piece but rather attacked the source:


An upcoming documentary entitled The 9/11 Conspiracies, to be aired on the History Channel, may represent the biggest hit piece to date on the 9/11 truth movement and is rife with bias, cronyism and conflicts of interest

The so-called documentary promises not to look at the flaws in the official story from a neutral perspective but to start out by suggesting that any deviation from the official line is “outrageous”.

The program also features so called independent “experts” who are actually in the employ of the program makers themselves who in turn rely on scores of multi-million dollar contracts with the government and the military-industrial complex.


Hit piece? It is hard to see how much more fair minded the History Channel could have been. They allowed the truthers to spout their conspiracy theories to their hearts content and then rationally, reasonably, calmly poked so many holes in them they resembled a piece of swiss cheese.

Pat Curley of the excellent truther debunking site Screw Loose Change called the documentary “the dream debunking piece. It’s Hiroshima for the Truthers.” One might throw in Nagasaki as well.

Pat concludes:


Overall: Devastating blow for most of the kooks; ironically the CIT nuts get a little thrill as their theory at least gets a little boost. The cumulative effect is pretty overwhelming. The voicemorphed calls thing gets smashed in their faces. Awesome, absolutely the most satisfying moment in a very satisfying two hours!

He is referring to the jaw dropping theory that all the communications from passengers on the doomed planes were faked! Family members tearfully rebutted those outrageous charges. And the young editor of Popular Mechanics, who tried very hard not to laugh when he was debunking some of the more unbelievable theories, actually said he was personally disgusted by the implication that family members were somehow involved in the conspiracy by covering up the fact that the phone calls were not really from their loved ones.

The show will air again this weekend. Check your local listings but I have it in the Chicago area airing at 7:00 PM central Saturday night and 11:00 AM central on Sunday morning.

http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/21/911-truthers-gut-punched-by-history-channel/

I will simply say one thing......follow the money. That is all.

I've been getting a lot of email lately from people sending me this stupid 9/11 conspiracy video called "Loose Change." I've tried to ignore it for months now, but you morons keep forwarding it to me, and I keep having to add more email addresses to my spam filter. The ironic part is that I'm a huge conspiracy nut, and even I can't stomach this ********. For example, I believe that there is a small, reptile-like creature called Chupacabra that sucks the blood of goats in Mexico. Area 51? Hell yes. Roswell? Pass me the Kool-Aid. But "Loose Change" elevates ******** to an artform. Watching this video is like being bukakked with stupid.

Unlike others who debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories, or "cons" for short, I'm not going to bother with going through intricate point-by-point rebuttals, or pointing out the hundreds of factual inaccuracies and outright lies in this "documentary," because I don't need to. In fact, I can debunk the entire story with one simple observation:

The fact that this man is alive...

...is proof that "Loose Change" is ********.
Here's why:

1. The man in the picture above is Dylan Avery. To be more precise, the fact that Dylan, his friends, and family are alive, is proof that "Loose Change" is ********. He, along with a couple of his friends, created a 9/11 conspiracy video claiming that the US government and the military caused 9/11. Take a closer look at the last part of that last sentence: he's claiming that the US government, for whatever ends, killed nearly 3,000 innocent Americans, and tens if not hundreds of thousands of more lives in the conflicts that ensued because of it.

2. Since Dylan's arguing that the government has no problem killing 3,000 innocent people, this raises the question: if his documentary is true, and we've established that the government has no ethical qualms about killing thousands of its own people, then why wouldn't the government kill Avery and his friends as well? What's a few more lives to them to ensure the success of this conspiracy?

Whatever reason it may be that the government supposedly orchestrated this conspiracy, it must have been worth it to them to cause so much suffering and loss of life. So if there's any truth to this, then you can bet your *** that the government wouldn't let a couple of pecker-neck chumps with a couple of Macs and too much time on their hands jeopardise their entire operation by letting this stupid video float around on the Internet. I can picture you morons emailing me now: "BUT MADOX, MAYBE DYLAN POSTED IT ON THE INTERNET BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT HAD A CHANCE TO REMOVE IT LOL." Yeah, too bad this rebuttal is inconsistent with the premise of Dylan's ****-festival of a movie: that the WTC was brought down "in a carefully planned and controlled demolition ... and it was pulled off with military precision." Now we're expected to believe that the same government that was able to commit the largest terrorist operation in history--with military precision no less--is suddenly too incompetent to sniff out and shut down a little website set up by some college losers within days, if not minutes of its creation? The US government has the capability to monitor every electronic communication made anywhere in the world, yet we're expected to believe that they wouldn't be able to nix this kid long before his video ever became popular?

I win. There is no conspiracy. Eat my ****, losers.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

most of them know more than the experts, if they even watch it, so nothing will really change with the truthers... they spent the last ten years whining and crying about this, so to have their world torn apart won't happen... to bad they won't see it with an open mind, but will try to pick it apart....

I am watching the show The 9/11 Conspiracies: Fact or Fiction on the History Channel and I am once again struck but how insanely desperate so many people are.

•Desperately grasping for “large” answers to “large” events
•Desperately wanting to feel they they know “the hidden reality”
•Desperately looking for reasons to feel important because they have been picketing
•Desperately confused by engineering and physics
•Desperately naive
Here’s the reality…

•“Loose Change” is ********. The next time one of your friends sends you a link to it because they think you need to know “the truth” you should slap them and make a mental note to never let them babysit your children or handle a sharp object
•Alex Jones is an idiot
•No, the “Jews” didn’t do it
Do yourself a favor, if your even a little swayed by this idiocy… learn something, read something by someone with actual information.

•Screw Loose Change
•Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Homepage
•911Myths
•Loose Change 2nd Edition Viewer Guide
•There is no 9-11 conspiracy you morons
•Debunking the 9-11 Myths Special Report – Popular Mechanics
•Debunk 9-11 myths – Taking on Loose Change and 9-11 conspiracy theories
Seriously, go learn something. Slap the crap out of any impressionable friends or family members. Grow up.

http://www.herdwatching.com/2007/08/21/how-can-i-say-this-more-clearly-911-truthers-are-idiots/

Those against it are just as guilty if not more so if you ask me. They just keep spouting government rhetoric like they know better, when really they know nothing of what they think.

You know it will never convince the conspiracy nut. They add nut at the end because they are kind of crazy. If there was some person that thought there was a conspiracy and that mice were not real and you brought a mouse to them they would think its fake or something. I would like to see that show though. when will it air or air again?

No, you wanna know why the add the nut, it's because they NEED to make us look crazy so people won't believe us. It's very common, when you have no argument, you resort to put downs instead of facts. They do it all the time.

oh yea, it was me, i planned it all... me and george had a bet, and i won a dollar...insanity at its best...
BTW, you just proved everything i just said, and you didn't even know it...

Not really, but if that's what makes you sleep better at night so be it. The truth will be known eventually, how you feel about it means little.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6099377220232534455
think i found it

They are straight up crazy. EVERY one of them has either been diagnosed with some sort of mental disorder in the past, are undiagnosed because they wont goto the doctor or are on some sort of strong medication.

Prozac, Lithium and Haldol fixes these dillusions in ALL cases.

Yeah let's give them government approved drugs that make them docile, which is the WHOLE POINT BTW. Real nice idea sparky.

(/11 Truthers don't need ANYONE to make them look crazy, they do a good enough job of it themselves.

I'll check it out but it will be hard to top the Penn & Teller
BS bit...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I

And that's the sad part. I saw it from a mile away and saw where you were going with this.

the truth is known, you won't accept it... did you watch the show?

That "truth" is a lie. And no I have no interest to, I can smell the spin from a mile away. I know enough already from what is posted here alone.

If the Government is in on it, you think they killed thousands of people so why wouldn't the hesitate in killing the hundreds (I don't even think there are that many) of truthers who would threaten to expose them, if there really was a conspiracy all these people would be dead. Plain and simple.

like a spider...lol