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Topic: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Get Destroyed
Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Mon 08/15/11 03:41 PM
Two more videos, in the first one an eyewitness speaks about what she saw. Nowhere does she mention a plane hitting, and when she's asked what kind of plane it was that hit and that there were reports of a plane hitting, she said she didn't even know that. Then in the 2nd, a reporter is on the phone with ABC as the 2nd plane supposedly hits, and he says outright there was no plane, it just exploded. Who are you gonna believe? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3cpHxbIIV4&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvOVR5GLD3c&feature=related Dude people were there and saw the plane. Something still doesn't add up, I don't care what anyone says. Something isn't right.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Mon 08/15/11 03:51 PM
Two more videos, in the first one an eyewitness speaks about what she saw. Nowhere does she mention a plane hitting, and when she's asked what kind of plane it was that hit and that there were reports of a plane hitting, she said she didn't even know that. Then in the 2nd, a reporter is on the phone with ABC as the 2nd plane supposedly hits, and he says outright there was no plane, it just exploded. Who are you gonna believe? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3cpHxbIIV4&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvOVR5GLD3c&feature=related Dude people were there and saw the plane. Something still doesn't add up, I don't care what anyone says. Something isn't right. Alot of it isnt right and being 911 is the key event for what has unfolded on the world we have the right and duty to quistion it as americans.

volant7 Joined Thu 06/02/11 Posts: 616	Mon 08/15/11 03:52 PM
The reason I think they were planes is because it would be the simple solution in planning the attacks. Why go to the trouble to replace real planes with missiles or different planes? That seems like an extremely complicated operation and what would be the purpose of doing that? Some of the conspiracy theories just don't make any sense. But a lot of things still don't make any sense, and I don't see anything wrong with questioning the official story. Why shouldn't we? Why should we stand for all this "classified" b.S.? The flight schools and airlines in Florida are connected to the training of foreign students and the terrorists and also involved in fraud that cheated a lot of good people out of tuition and student loans for the school and then went Bankrupt. There were dummy companies in Florida calling themselves air lines who never sold any tickets. They were just running shipments of drugs from Mexico with mysterious planes registered to the CIA. The cover-up is some people scratching other people's back and doing favors to hide their wrong doings which include training terrorists, and drug smuggling operations. Its probably all tied into the CIA sending weapons to Mexico. Lots of sheeat going on here that they are covering up. the ones that hit the wtc were planes for sure.now who was driving them well never be sure. they hit the buildings wingtip to wingtip they could of been drones? at the pentagon there was a tiny hole at the base with no wing damage to the building at all.and the videos they put out shows the tip and then explosion.im surprised by now they didnt have gorge lucus edit in the plane. lol http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/conclusions/damage.html http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/conclusions/composite.html Regions in which the Pentagon's west facade were punctured were restricted to the first and second floors. The puncture on the second floor was about 18 feet wide and extended to the top of the second floor, about 26 feet above the ground. The region with punctures on the first floor was about 96 feet wide. widest point 96 feet wide 26 feet tall. Yea that is a small hole. you must be talking about later pictures after hours of water damage from the fire trucks spraying thousands of gallons of water on it

actionlynx Joined Wed 08/18/10 Posts: 5448	Tue 08/16/11 10:59 AM
Chazster and everyone else arguing against the conspiracy theories, It's not worth wasting your time debating this. These people have a response for everything, and it's usually just another question. Meanwhile, we have been providing more answers than questions. They are just set in their misguided beliefs for whatever reason. You can't say or show them anything that they will trust because the only thing they trust our their own. Everyone else is suspect. It's a form of paranoia. You can't rationalize with paranoia because they will always be searching for the barb. I've done some research about some of the claims which have come out, some of the websites which post these theories, listened to all sorts of ideas and notions....There is no doubt in my mind where these conspiracy theories originated. There is a pattern. There is a motive. 9/11 provided an opportunity, especially after Michael Moore released "Fahrenheit 9/11"....which is why I call him into suspicion. The internet provided a means. I'm not going to accuse anyone here of being part of it, because I don't really know anyone other than internet. I am just addressing the source of the information which some here believe in.

esebulldog Joined Wed 08/05/09 Posts: 22342	Tue 08/16/11 11:12 AM
Chazster and everyone else arguing against the conspiracy theories, It's not worth wasting your time debating this. These people have a response for everything, and it's usually just another question. Meanwhile, we have been providing more answers than questions. They are just set in their misguided beliefs for whatever reason. You can't say or show them anything that they will trust because the only thing they trust our their own. Everyone else is suspect. It's a form of paranoia. You can't rationalize with paranoia because they will always be searching for the barb. I've done some research about some of the claims which have come out, some of the websites which post these theories, listened to all sorts of ideas and notions....There is no doubt in my mind where these conspiracy theories originated. There is a pattern. There is a motive. 9/11 provided an opportunity, especially after Michael Moore released "Fahrenheit 9/11"....which is why I call him into suspicion. The internet provided a means. I'm not going to accuse anyone here of being part of it, because I don't really know anyone other than internet. I am just addressing the source of the information which some here believe in. Definition of PARANOIA 1 : a psychosis characterized by systematized delusions of persecution or grandeur usually without hallucinations 2 : a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Tue 08/16/11 01:14 PM
Two more videos, in the first one an eyewitness speaks about what she saw. Nowhere does she mention a plane hitting, and when she's asked what kind of plane it was that hit and that there were reports of a plane hitting, she said she didn't even know that. Then in the 2nd, a reporter is on the phone with ABC as the 2nd plane supposedly hits, and he says outright there was no plane, it just exploded. Who are you gonna believe? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3cpHxbIIV4&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvOVR5GLD3c&feature=related Dude people were there and saw the plane. Something still doesn't add up, I don't care what anyone says. Something isn't right. LOL yet you always are talking about what other people say and say things like "what reason have they to lie"

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Tue 08/16/11 01:14 PM
The reason I think they were planes is because it would be the simple solution in planning the attacks. Why go to the trouble to replace real planes with missiles or different planes? That seems like an extremely complicated operation and what would be the purpose of doing that? Some of the conspiracy theories just don't make any sense. But a lot of things still don't make any sense, and I don't see anything wrong with questioning the official story. Why shouldn't we? Why should we stand for all this "classified" b.S.? The flight schools and airlines in Florida are connected to the training of foreign students and the terrorists and also involved in fraud that cheated a lot of good people out of tuition and student loans for the school and then went Bankrupt. There were dummy companies in Florida calling themselves air lines who never sold any tickets. They were just running shipments of drugs from Mexico with mysterious planes registered to the CIA. The cover-up is some people scratching other people's back and doing favors to hide their wrong doings which include training terrorists, and drug smuggling operations. Its probably all tied into the CIA sending weapons to Mexico. Lots of sheeat going on here that they are covering up. the ones that hit the wtc were planes for sure.now who was driving them well never be sure. they hit the buildings wingtip to wingtip they could of been drones? at the pentagon there was a tiny hole at the base with no wing damage to the building at all.and the videos they put out shows the tip and then explosion.im surprised by now they didnt have gorge lucus edit in the plane. lol http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/conclusions/damage.html http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/conclusions/composite.html Regions in which the Pentagon's west facade were punctured were restricted to the first and second floors. The puncture on the second floor was about 18 feet wide and extended to the top of the second floor, about 26 feet above the ground. The region with punctures on the first floor was about 96 feet wide. widest point 96 feet wide 26 feet tall. Yea that is a small hole. you must be talking about later pictures after hours of water damage from the fire trucks spraying thousands of gallons of water on it Yes because water is going to puncture reinforced concrete

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Tue 08/16/11 01:16 PM
Chazster and everyone else arguing against the conspiracy theories, It's not worth wasting your time debating this. These people have a response for everything, and it's usually just another question. Meanwhile, we have been providing more answers than questions. They are just set in their misguided beliefs for whatever reason. You can't say or show them anything that they will trust because the only thing they trust our their own. Everyone else is suspect. It's a form of paranoia. You can't rationalize with paranoia because they will always be searching for the barb. I've done some research about some of the claims which have come out, some of the websites which post these theories, listened to all sorts of ideas and notions....There is no doubt in my mind where these conspiracy theories originated. There is a pattern. There is a motive. 9/11 provided an opportunity, especially after Michael Moore released "Fahrenheit 9/11"....which is why I call him into suspicion. The internet provided a means. I'm not going to accuse anyone here of being part of it, because I don't really know anyone other than internet. I am just addressing the source of the information which some here believe in. Oh you misunderstand. I am not trying to convince them. I am helping anyone else who might read this thread see how crazy they sound.

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Tue 08/16/11 08:38 PM
Facts mean nothing. Science means nothing. But an idiot on youtube is believable? Go figger.

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Wed 08/17/11 02:27 AM
Two more videos, in the first one an eyewitness speaks about what she saw. Nowhere does she mention a plane hitting, and when she's asked what kind of plane it was that hit and that there were reports of a plane hitting, she said she didn't even know that. Then in the 2nd, a reporter is on the phone with ABC as the 2nd plane supposedly hits, and he says outright there was no plane, it just exploded. Who are you gonna believe? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3cpHxbIIV4&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvOVR5GLD3c&feature=related Dude people were there and saw the plane. Something still doesn't add up, I don't care what anyone says. Something isn't right. Alot of it isnt right and being 911 is the key event for what has unfolded on the world we have the right and duty to quistion it as americans. Indeed we do.

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Wed 08/17/11 02:28 AM
Facts mean nothing. Science means nothing. But an idiot on youtube is believable? Go figger. Because your "facts" are a bunch of bs, and your "scientists" are bought off to only come out with their version of truth. Wake up.

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Wed 08/17/11 02:29 AM
Chazster and everyone else arguing against the conspiracy theories, It's not worth wasting your time debating this. These people have a response for everything, and it's usually just another question. Meanwhile, we have been providing more answers than questions. They are just set in their misguided beliefs for whatever reason. You can't say or show them anything that they will trust because the only thing they trust our their own. Everyone else is suspect. It's a form of paranoia. You can't rationalize with paranoia because they will always be searching for the barb. Quite frankly at times I feel the same way about many of you too, because no matter what we say you just do not get it.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Wed 08/17/11 08:35 AM
Chazster and everyone else arguing against the conspiracy theories, It's not worth wasting your time debating this. These people have a response for everything, and it's usually just another question. Meanwhile, we have been providing more answers than questions. They are just set in their misguided beliefs for whatever reason. You can't say or show them anything that they will trust because the only thing they trust our their own. Everyone else is suspect. It's a form of paranoia. You can't rationalize with paranoia because they will always be searching for the barb. Quite frankly at times I feel the same way about many of you too, because no matter what we say you just do not get it. Thats because we have science to back us up. What did you major in college Kleisto? Metalwing and I are both engineers. We both studies math science and physics(real physics not the kiddy physics people in college who don't take calculus can take) extensively. We know how inertia, gravity, and falling objects come into play. (you learn that in your first physics class). I will admit he knows a lot more structural stuff than I as I only had 1 strength and materials class as I am an electrical engineer. The point is how can we take anything you say seriously when you will argue such things as the building should have fallen over. to another guy saying the giant hole in the reinforced concrete in the pentagon was caused by fire hoses.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Wed 08/17/11 04:47 PM
Chazster and everyone else arguing against the conspiracy theories, It's not worth wasting your time debating this. These people have a response for everything, and it's usually just another question. Meanwhile, we have been providing more answers than questions. They are just set in their misguided beliefs for whatever reason. You can't say or show them anything that they will trust because the only thing they trust our their own. Everyone else is suspect. It's a form of paranoia. You can't rationalize with paranoia because they will always be searching for the barb. Quite frankly at times I feel the same way about many of you too, because no matter what we say you just do not get it. Thats because we have science to back us up. What did you major in college Kleisto? Metalwing and I are both engineers. We both studies math science and physics(real physics not the kiddy physics people in college who don't take calculus can take) extensively. We know how inertia, gravity, and falling objects come into play. (you learn that in your first physics class). I will admit he knows a lot more structural stuff than I as I only had 1 strength and materials class as I am an electrical engineer. The point is how can we take anything you say seriously when you will argue such things as the building should have fallen over. to another guy saying the giant hole in the reinforced concrete in the pentagon was caused by fire hoses. The giant hole was caused by a wall collapse after the plane hit it. The initial photos prior to the collapse show little evidence of a plane impact. Hell the lawn in fromt of the hole wasnt even damaged. I seriously doubt your applying any critical thinking skills in this argument therefor I have seriouse doubts about any of your self professed degree or education. If you look at the pentagon impact seriously any person with half an IQ would have quistions. quistions like. How did these novice pilots make these complicated manouvers in a jumbo jet none of them have ever flown and why in the hell did the airforce not intercept or defend the nerve center of our military. . They just let this "plane" fly unmolested after the twin towers had been hit. My god I am just a uneducated worker bee and I have quistions.

heavenlyboy34 Joined Fri 07/04/08 Posts: 17348	Wed 08/17/11 04:52 PM
Facts mean nothing. Science means nothing. But an idiot on youtube is believable? Go figger. Actually, science doesn't mean anything. It certainly doesn't bring us to "absolute truth". The scientific method, from the outset, commits the logical fallacy of asserting the consequent. (A, therefore B)

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Wed 08/17/11 05:01 PM Edited by Bestinshow on Wed 08/17/11 05:02 PM
Facts mean nothing. Science means nothing. But an idiot on youtube is believable? Go figger. Actually, science doesn't mean anything. It certainly doesn't bring us to "absolute truth". The scientific method, from the outset, commits the logical fallacy of asserting the consequent. (A, therefore B) I am all for that. We are supposed to believe that the same planes that exploded all over the twin towers created a massivbe fireball and damaged them so completely they collpased also hit the penatagon manaouvering at 300 knots piloted by pilots who were described as idiots by their cesna trainers hit the pentagon and didnt even damage the lawn. Its absurd

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Wed 08/17/11 06:20 PM
Facts mean nothing. Science means nothing. But an idiot on youtube is believable? Go figger. Actually, science doesn't mean anything. It certainly doesn't bring us to "absolute truth". The scientific method, from the outset, commits the logical fallacy of asserting the consequent. (A, therefore B) I am all for that. We are supposed to believe that the same planes that exploded all over the twin towers created a massivbe fireball and damaged them so completely they collpased also hit the penatagon manaouvering at 300 knots piloted by pilots who were described as idiots by their cesna trainers hit the pentagon and didnt even damage the lawn. Its absurd not damaged lawn

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Thu 08/18/11 12:17 AM


Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Thu 08/18/11 02:04 AM
I know most of you are brighter than that. The photo taken shortly after the plane?missle? hit the pentagon shows verry little damage or no damage to the yard in front of the pentagon. The photo above was taken after the wall collapsed and the rescue workers and fire dept tore it all to hell. It looks like a scene from the normandy invasion. try looking for a photo taken before all that. Try to be intelectualy honest.

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Thu 08/18/11 02:16 AM
Whatchoo talkin' bout, Willis? The above photo taken shortly after the plane hit the Pentagon clearly shows the evidence of the passenger plane strike. Nobody doctored it or faked it or unconstructed it or any of that silly garbage! Hijacked by Al-Qaida the planeload of fuel and passengers rammed into the side of the building killing all on board and causing the obvious damage. There were a lot of eyewitnesses and a lot of widows, widowers and orphans. Making ridiculous claims that it is somehow made-up in the face of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary is just beyond mendacious! It's bonkers!