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I believe there are plenty of those recorded. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU HAVE TO SEE? That is one BOOM. It could be lots of things. I am talking like demolition explosions. Would be dozens and dozens going off in quick succession right before the building fell. I am not saying terrorists couldn't have planted explosives. I am saying someone planting an explosive is totally different than demolition explosions. Well at least we are making some progress. You now at least admit that there was possible planted explosives. I'm pretty certain there were planted explosives. Maybe a truck full of them in the basement. those buildings came down like the I beams were made of glass. They were "pulled." 
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I believe there are plenty of those recorded. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU HAVE TO SEE? That is one BOOM. It could be lots of things. I am talking like demolition explosions. Would be dozens and dozens going off in quick succession right before the building fell. I am not saying terrorists couldn't have planted explosives. I am saying someone planting an explosive is totally different than demolition explosions. Well at least we are making some progress. You now at least admit that there was possible planted explosives. I'm pretty certain there were planted explosives. Maybe a truck full of them in the basement. I am not saying there were because there could be other reasons for explosions. I am trying to keep open minded and even if there were they wouldn't cause the collapse being my point. If terrorists wanted to attack the building would I find it unreasonable for them to plant explosives on lower levers to try to kill people escaping? No I wouldnt. |
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F=ma Yes it is kind of that simple isn't it. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 08/12/11 04:43 PM
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I believe there are plenty of those recorded. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU HAVE TO SEE? That is one BOOM. It could be lots of things. I am talking like demolition explosions. Would be dozens and dozens going off in quick succession right before the building fell. I am not saying terrorists couldn't have planted explosives. I am saying someone planting an explosive is totally different than demolition explosions. Well at least we are making some progress. You now at least admit that there was possible planted explosives. I'm pretty certain there were planted explosives. Maybe a truck full of them in the basement. I am not saying there were because there could be other reasons for explosions. I am trying to keep open minded and even if there were they wouldn't cause the collapse being my point. If terrorists wanted to attack the building would I find it unreasonable for them to plant explosives on lower levers to try to kill people escaping? No I wouldnt. What 'other' reasons would there be for explosions? Don't say gas lines because there were no gas lines. Something caused the collapse. There were explosions heard on the ground level according to witnesses. So why do you keep insisting that explosions would not cause the collapse? How would you know? And what difference does it really make? There is still a cover up that refuses to acknowledge that there were explosions and bombs going off and I want to know why. Why on earth do you think it would be "unreasonable" for terrorists to plant explosives on lower levels to try to kill people escaping? What makes you think terrorists care who they kill? Okay are you familiar with the 1993 bombing of the World Trade center? Apparently its not "unreasonable" at all !! Read below: The 1993 World Trade Center bombing occurred on February 26, 1993, when a truck bomb was detonated below the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York City. The 1,336 lb (606 kg) urea nitrate–hydrogen gas enhanced device[1] was intended to knock the North Tower (Tower One) into the South Tower (Tower Two), bringing both towers down and killing thousands of people.[2][3] It failed to do so, but did kill six people and injured thousands. The attack was planned by a group of conspirators including Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal A. Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj. They received financing from Khaled Sheikh Mohammed, Yousef's uncle. In March 1994, four men were convicted of carrying out the bombing: Abouhalima, Ajaj, Ayyad and Salameh. The charges included conspiracy, explosive destruction of property and interstate transportation of explosives. In November 1997, two more were convicted: Yousef, the mastermind behind the bombings, and Eyad Ismoil, who drove the truck carrying the bomb. |
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Edited by
actionlynx
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Fri 08/12/11 05:40 PM
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For those who missed the edit on my last post:
I should also point out that the Twin Towers both collapsed from the top down. It did not crumble at the base. Each floor lower floor was crushed by the weight and momentum from above. Any video footage of the collapse shows that. Top moves while the bottom stays put. That's tons and tons of debris falling hundreds of feet before reaching the floors below the impact. ****** Now, the impact from the planes blew holes in the three sides where no impact occurred. The plane at the Pentagon punched through several rings of reinforced concrete. Despite misconceptions, aluminum is very strong, especially when it has mass and velocity behind it. Just like steel it will not only crumple and bend, but it will slice through as well. The skeleton of an airliner is most often constructed using structural aluminum. So, if an airliner could punch through several layers of reinforced concrete while rapidly disintegrating, then an airliner could certainly weaken the structural supports of the towers on the floors where impact occurred. Further weakening due to heat (softening the steel) could then cause a sudden failure. It doesn't matter if it snaps, bends, or melts. Each floor of the WTC, when intact, weighed approximately 13,000 tons. Weight from 17 floors collapsed on top of the rest of the Tower 1 (the North Tower). On Tower 2 (the South Tower), weight from 33 floors - almost double - collapsed upon the remainder. So, in both instances, hundreds of thousands of tons when through a sudden downward shift when the supports within the impact zones failed. Now, bringing in F = m x a... For Tower 1, that is about 59,000 kilo-newtons of force. The atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima only produced 300 kilo-newtons of force by comparison. So, the shift in weight of the top 17 floors of Tower 1 produced a force of almost 200 times that of Little Boy. And Tower 2 was almost double that. This is why the towers collapsed. All that was needed was a sudden downward shift to set all this force into motion. |
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At least Jeannie says she is going to read the scientific reports with an open mind. I'm sure if she does that she will realize that all the conspiracy theories are indeed a big load of bunk.  Here's the thing, your mind cannot be open if you already have a bias towards your side. So your mind and others here have long since been closed. And don't even TRY to say I don't have an open mind because I do. It's just that certain things make no sense, and I refuse to try and justify them just for the likes of you. That just isn't gonna happen. If it doesn't make sense the first time, it sure as hell won't the 20th. I am gonna say it. You don't have an open mind. How many times have you said you KNOW what happened. That is not having an open mind. Physics doesn't make a lot or sense to a lot of people. That doesn't mean physics is wrong it just means they don't understand it. I say I KNOW, because I have looked at the facts and they do NOT support your claims. I don't care how many people say they do, it does not make it accurate. See closed minded. Sorry if you don't trust physics. I have physics on my side. What FACTS do you have on your side? I haven't seen any at all that you have posted. Only accusation.s She has her hatred of EVERYTHING our Government on her side, that better then any fact we might have apparantly LOLOLOL. |
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Ok you guys want truth, well here it is. If this doesn't open your eyes, not much will. It's about famed "last man" to come out of the trade towers alive, Willy Rodriguez, what he saw, how the government handled what he saw, and much more. You won't get any closer to the real truth than this right here. http://www.galacticroundtable.com/profiles/blogs/exclusive-last-man-out-makes-shocking-9-11-disclosure-1 Wow that was awesome information. !!! I am reading the 9-11 debunking book by popular mechanics now and it does not hold a candle to that information. It has a forward by Senator John McCain written with such typical political rhetoric, trying to sound patriotic. He calls the truth movement "conspiracy mongering." I am wondering what exactly motivates Popular Mechanics to go down this road. Their debunking book is only 170 pages and they very lightly touch upon certain conspiracy theories, skipping over many unanswered questions. I'm still reading it. I will probably get the book that debunks this book today. Your link above should be read by all who want the truth. People who stand for the truth like William Rodriguez, last man out of the tower who saved hundreds of lives.... they are the real heroes because they did not allow themselves to be bribed by those who want to cover up the truth. So now United States Senator, heavily decorated, and war hero Senator John McCain is not patriotic? Wow. |
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is william rodriguez telling the truth or profiting off of lies http://letsrollforums.com/press-release-william-rodriguez-t24680.html?s=bfe452a923c892ef96e0c21aaaeab652&p=198840#post198840 esebulldog Anyone who would publish crap like the following is clearly emotionally possessed with an agenda and is only looking to discredit someone. Hence off hand, I would say that this web site is to be looked at according to the agenda that is clearly apparent. you have a valid point. name calling is uncalled for not needed when seeking the truth. i will discredit the post just as you have That's what they resort to when they have nothing else. |
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The witnesses know there were bombs. Tons of them have said so. They are all over youtube. here is one ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8PMLTmcng The truth will not be covered up. It will outlive the lies. Always. Ok lets take a look at this video. For one none of them said there were bombs they said they thought they heard bombs. Now next maybe 1 person said before the plane hit but everyone else said after the plane hit and some even mention it coming out of the elevator and if that happened it is totally plausible. Now lets assume that their was a bomb in the basement. That woudln't have cause the tower to collapse. Demolitions require bombs throughout the entire structure and the building would collapse from the base and not the point of impact. There are no recorded explosion on any of the collapses that coincide with the collapse so it couldn't have been a demolition. They THOUGHT they heard bombs. I bet NONE of them ever heard a bomb blast or go of before so they are hardly experts. They could have just heard the explosion of the planes, the crash of the planes, the gas tanks of the planes blowing or a number of other things! |
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The original "official" article published by the ASCE that Mettalwing brought up in the first place By Zdenˇek P. Baˇzant, Fellow ASCE, and Yong Zhou, can be seen in PDF format at this address: http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf Here is what Metalwing said (page 23) and this is why I searched for and found that article and posted it here. METALWING: The official story of "how the building fell" came from the ASCE Structural Division which is about as peer reviewed as any science in the world. And you can bet that there are plenty who could spot a fabricated falsehood. It did not come from any government agency. Just like this thread points out, the stupid lies continuously being spread about explosives, et. al., are easily debunked. There are some so incredibly ignorant as to believe there are explosives being built into the structures. If you are a "peer" look that over and see if you see any flaws in this official report.(Metalwing did and he found flaws.) I would not have even posted links to the peer review of the original article had Metalwing not mentioned it in the first place. How he thinks it makes his point is beyond me, as I got the peer review from a website that criticizes the original report. Here is a link to the peer review I posted. It criticizes the official ASCE article published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics ASCE on 9/13/01. Other Peer reviews of this paper and of other theories volunteering to explain the collapses was conspicuously absent." Here is the only peer review I have found so far. I asked metalwing to show me another peer review but so far I have not seen any of this particular ASCE article which was mentioned by him. http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/experts/articles/bazant_jem/bazant_zhou.html This is what Metalwing said about the official ASCE report. (I don't think he knew he was reading the official ASCE report.) Metalwing said: His basic assumption is flawed as is pointed out by the colored comments ... and as I pointed out ... and as I have pointed out in several threads about this subject over the past couple of threads while you and others post ridiculous theories about explosives, etc. The trusses failed first, as would be expected, which caused the columns to fail. The paper you mention is harping about the columns could have failed on their own, which is true, but really doesn't have anything to do with why the building actually fell. The heat from the burning jet fuel was easily adequate to bring the building down if the jet itself had done no impact damage. However, in the original report, the ASCE concluded that the combination of impact and heat caused the failure. The paper also goes on to explain how inadequate this framing system is under this type of fire. Go back and read my mingle posts on this subject and you will see I said the same thing. But all you really want to do is to try to prove absurd conspiracy theories and insult anyone who actually understands what happened, so why bother? You do not understand this topic, the meaning of these papers, or the science behind them adequately to discuss them intelligently. A simple search will give you the peer review process of the ASCE. A course in time dependent thermal shear modulus modification to fireproofed building systems would be helpful... if it existed. Old engineers and material scientists usually model the imagined or tested systems on finite element to get the p-deltas necessary for instability. The process from start to failure and the whys are known as failure mode analysis so the key failure points can be identified. In the case of the twin towers, the key failure points were the steel trusses ability to resist heat... not the columns as discussed in the paper you posted as the trusses caused the columns to fail. He is right, I don't understand diddly about all that technical stuff. But AT LEAST I READ IT. If you don't understand it you can't make an informed decision. |
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Also, there are many witnesses recorded on video saying that they heard explosions and bombs in the lower parts of the building, so they back up his story. Definitely, when it comes down to it, I'm gonna trust those who were actually THERE, regardless of whether the "official" story matches them or not. Those that were there who had never heard a bomb go off in their life lol. What about those who were there who saw the planes hit both towers and the Pentagon? Oh I guess they don't count. You only trust them if they agree with your warped sense of reality. |
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I don't want to be contrary for the sake of being contrary, but I watched the Fact or Fiction episode and I found a lot of the same BS that I saw everywhere else. While there were some good explanations here and there and there were some expert interviews, most of the debate was handled by just one of the Popular Mechanics reporters and usually his answer was "it doesn't make sense" with no backing evidence or commentary to support his "debunking". It needs to be said that I don't believe there were bombs in the buildings, nor do I believe the planes were remote controlled. I do think it may have been ALLOWED to happen and there are many aspects of the official story that are shady ... but lacking actual evidence to the contrary, I can't make my mind up either way. It was allowed to happen, Osama Bin Laden allowed it to happen. |
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I don't want to be contrary for the sake of being contrary, but I watched the Fact or Fiction episode and I found a lot of the same BS that I saw everywhere else. While there were some good explanations here and there and there were some expert interviews, most of the debate was handled by just one of the Popular Mechanics reporters and usually his answer was "it doesn't make sense" with no backing evidence or commentary to support his "debunking". It needs to be said that I don't believe there were bombs in the buildings, nor do I believe the planes were remote controlled. I do think it may have been ALLOWED to happen and there are many aspects of the official story that are shady ... but lacking actual evidence to the contrary, I can't make my mind up either way. Did you watch the videos Jeannie posted, there are SEVERAL accounts from witnesses to bombs being in the building. So, they were in the buildings and saw them bombs and watched them go off? |
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I don't want to be contrary for the sake of being contrary, but I watched the Fact or Fiction episode and I found a lot of the same BS that I saw everywhere else. While there were some good explanations here and there and there were some expert interviews, most of the debate was handled by just one of the Popular Mechanics reporters and usually his answer was "it doesn't make sense" with no backing evidence or commentary to support his "debunking". It needs to be said that I don't believe there were bombs in the buildings, nor do I believe the planes were remote controlled. I do think it may have been ALLOWED to happen and there are many aspects of the official story that are shady ... but lacking actual evidence to the contrary, I can't make my mind up either way. I would like to see more people who just want the truth. It is clear that something is being covered up. Why all the top secret? I just want to know THE TRUTH. I don't believe the official story. Period. And now the term "truthers" is being hung out like people who really want the truth are a bunch of crazy people. Its ridiculous. So people who just want to argue are wasting their time. If they have an opinion, fine. If they want the truth, look for it and read and watch everything. Don't just pick what supports what you want to believe. We have the truth, just some extreme wackjobs refuse to listen to it because it doesn't follow suit with their hatred of everything US Government. |
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It was Rodriguez who fingered one of the hijackers as casing the WTC only months before in hindsight. He recognized them....from about 3 months before 9/11. Why would he remember that? Maybe because he knew the hijackers. Maybe they gave him the bombs and the foreknowledge. Maybe Rodriguez betrayed his country. He may be the only one who knows because everyone else is dead. Where did you get that information? From the Wikipedia article: Rodriguez also claimed to have seen hijacker Mohand al-Shehri scoping out the building prior to the attacks, in June 2001. A Daily News article says he told the FBI and the 9/11 Commission that he recognized the man after a brief, chance encounter months prior to the terrorist attacks. "It is believed that American Airlines Flight 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta cased New York City targets, including the Diamond District, but Rodriguez may have given the 9/11 panel the first eyewitness testimony about a hijacker inside one of the towers before the terror strike.[47] Footnote 47: Meek, James Gordon (2004-06-15). "Janitor tells 9/11 panel of brush with WTC thug". New York Daily News. Archived from the original on 2006-12-21. Retrieved 2007-11-27. I should also point out that the Twin Towers both collapsed from the top down. It did not crumble at the base. Each floor lower floor was crushed by the weight and momentum from above. Any video footage of the collapse shows that. Top moves while the bottom stays put. That's tons and tons of debris falling hundreds of feet before reaching the floors below the impact. Or the CCTV footage of ALL the hijackers entereing the airport and passing security on 9/11. |
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I believe there are plenty of those recorded. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU HAVE TO SEE? That is one BOOM. It could be lots of things. I am talking like demolition explosions. Would be dozens and dozens going off in quick succession right before the building fell. I am not saying terrorists couldn't have planted explosives. I am saying someone planting an explosive is totally different than demolition explosions. Well at least we are making some progress. You now at least admit that there was possible planted explosives. I'm pretty certain there were planted explosives. Maybe a truck full of them in the basement. He didn't admit to anything, once again twisting something to fit your agenda. |
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fema camps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWhejKfhaf8&feature=related pittsburgh shooting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gDvGkjCOqI&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFbigbrC3RY&feature=related his friends said he thought they were coming to kill him. he was against the nwo his mom called the police on him and thats what started everything his intentions wernt to kill cops but thats what happened he had guns hidden secretly underground all over his neighborhood his friends say he was very smart and friendly he just hated the nwo they put a gag order on him and his family he got the death sentence but was never allowed to talk no conspiracy here.... move along the end The NWO? You mean your now saying Hulk Hogan, Scott Hall and Kevin Nash were behind the attacks now too? 
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I believe there are plenty of those recorded. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU HAVE TO SEE? That is one BOOM. It could be lots of things. I am talking like demolition explosions. Would be dozens and dozens going off in quick succession right before the building fell. I am not saying terrorists couldn't have planted explosives. I am saying someone planting an explosive is totally different than demolition explosions. Well at least we are making some progress. You now at least admit that there was possible planted explosives. I'm pretty certain there were planted explosives. Maybe a truck full of them in the basement. those buildings came down like the I beams were made of glass. Metal has explained this several times, maybe you should go back and look. I think he knows a little more about this subject then ANYONE on this website being hes and engineer.
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I believe there are plenty of those recorded. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU HAVE TO SEE? That is one BOOM. It could be lots of things. I am talking like demolition explosions. Would be dozens and dozens going off in quick succession right before the building fell. I am not saying terrorists couldn't have planted explosives. I am saying someone planting an explosive is totally different than demolition explosions. Well at least we are making some progress. You now at least admit that there was possible planted explosives. I'm pretty certain there were planted explosives. Maybe a truck full of them in the basement. those buildings came down like the I beams were made of glass. They were "pulled." Now your claiming they were pulled down?  They arn't pants you cant go up and pull them down. They arn't livestock you cant rope them and pull them down. 
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