were supposed to believe your experts from faux news?

al gore scientific facts?

most scientists believe global warming is bs

but people are brainwashed by the media

911 was mass hypnosis

911 was an inside job

911 was mass hypnosis

911 was an inside job

911 was mass hypnosis

911 was an inside job

911 was mass hypnosis

911 was an inside job

thats the fact

the cia/fbi helped the terrorist blow it up the first time

the oklahoma city bombing was an inside job

they helped him blow it up

thats the fact

the world is controlled by satanists

they plan to kill 90% of you

you will be slaves in the new world order

THE MESSAGE OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

this is what there trying to accomplish

this is why everything is about nature/recycling

they want to replace the 10 commandments with their satanic crap

they own everything and are slowly poisoning your food and drinks

read the ingredients read the ingredients

they are the cancer of the earth

you are there enemy

http://www.thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Message.htm

Um, if those ten things are what your satanists are about, it sounds pretty good to me....except for #1.

As for global warming most scientists do NOT believe it is BS. They actually believe that there is no evidence to prove that any warming has been due to man's influence. That's a big "we don't know" response from them, not a "we think it's all crap" response. Besides, it generally takes 50 years for a scientific theory to become accept. That's because scientists will test it, try to prove it wrong. When they can't, then they come around to accept its validity.

You once mentioned that my "5 minutes" of analysis could not weigh as much as your "30 years of research". You started this at age 11 or 12? It only takes me 5 minutes to recognize a "false premise" which is a logical fallacy, along with "appeal to ignorance", "circular reasoning", "begging the question", and many others. Truth is, the conspiracy theories are FULL of logical fallacies. A good scientist would recognize this, and you have claimed to be a scientist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

Personally, I'm tempted to think even you don't believe anything you say....as if this is a big joke to see how long people will keep arguing over absurdity. This reached "argumentum ad nauseum" a long time ago, yet nothing has been resolved. So, I'm thinking this really is nothing but a big joke.

I just received my first book, "Debunking 9/11 Myths" today. I will start reading it tonight.

The official 9-11 report has a bunch of background on the hijackers, and Al-qaeda etc. and I haven't gotten through it all. It reads more like a story than an official report. Then in order to verify anything you have to investigate all the references at the end. It 585 pages. Geeeze you could have an entire college course on this stuff.

I will use that report as a reference. The other two books I ordered will be here tomorrow probably.

Here's the thing, your mind cannot be open if you already have a bias towards your side. So your mind and others here have long since been closed.

And don't even TRY to say I don't have an open mind because I do. It's just that certain things make no sense, and I refuse to try and justify them just for the likes of you. That just isn't gonna happen. If it doesn't make sense the first time, it sure as hell won't the 20th.

Conspiracy theories ask a lot of very good questions. If I don't find reasonable believable answers to those questions, I am not going to side with the official story.

I might even write a story of my own.

Nor should you. Really when one is debating something and can't do anything other than put down the person questioning some truth they have been told, it shows the weakness of their own argument. If it was true it could stand up to the heat.

This is the reason behind the media using such terms as conspiracy theorists, or 9-11 truthers, etc etc etc. It's a psychological tactic to make us look stupid, and it's all they have to discredit us. They can't on their own merits or the lies will be exposed.

yes your right this is stupid anyone can drive to see THE MESSAGE

OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES.you can see the owls and the pentagrams

in dc.the marks are on everything in the stores.bohemian groove has

been busted.our town is full of masons that believe that lucifer is

god.our economy is collapsing and our money will soon be

worthless.everywhere i look i see satanism.they just put a pagan

obelisk up at the church and a flag flying higher than the cross.i

dont see how anyone can miss this stuff but they have know idea

whats going on in the world.but ive come to accept tht most of the

world will be fooled.i only have two puzzle pieces left so i can

see the big picture.you can knit-pik about how the planes hit or

how the buildings collapsed.but in the end you can see that the

outcome was that you have lost most of your rights.(patriot act 2)

i know there is another attack coming and they will blame the

christians and vets and start killing them.they have it set up that

you cant review or stop anything for 6 months.you can be pulled

from your home with no charges and be held forever.look up FEMA

trains,FEMA camps,FEMA coffins.i see the trains line up every night

and disappear every morning.most people commit suicide around

christmas.thats because it is a satanic holiday.you make them

richer by buying crap at there stores.some spend money they dont

have.people are stressed out is that what GOD wanted?

and if i followed the advice of other famous scientists i wouldnt

be running my car off of part water.

As apposed to the reasonable believable answers the conspiracy theories advocate?

Most conspiracy theory fans don't believe all of the conspiracy theories or everything that is out there on the Internet.

You have to begin by treating all information basically the same and use a rational mind.

You have to check out sources, motives, agendas, credibility.

Most conspiracy theories ask more questions than answer them. It is the answers I am looking for. When the official reports don't have the answers, that does not look well for them.

Except the official reports in this case DO have the answers.
It is just that some refuse to listen to reason and evidence.
The conspiracy theorists and truthers just refuse to learn
the truth lest it pop their fantasy conspiracy bubble.

The funny thing is that it was popped about 9 years ago now!



You don't have to buy books either. The reports are online and
linked in my earlier posts!

Slowhand,
Since you haven't read all of the official reports and since you don't have a clue what all the questions are your post is showing that you are simply defending your position. You don't look for the truth.

I wouldn't say most. I understand that you question the official story not because you think it was "an inside job" but more that you think information was left out or not everything is being told. I also know from your posts that you actually research and you accept facts that are anti conspiracy if they are credible. I wouldn't say this is the same for most conspiracy theorists.

I have always said questioning is good. Wild accusations are not.

For me, it basically boils down to the fact that I no longer trust the government's official stories because I have seen so much of the propaganda that they have been involved in be exposed. Way too much lying going on.

So I am left with all manner of speculation and there are a few dedicated serious people that are not part of the government who are spending a lot of time investigating simply because they can't get strait answers from the government. Too much "top secret." Too much "classified" crap.

We are the people. We want full disclosure. When we ask questions we want answers and evidence. We are not going to go away until we get them.

I've read the reports. They are essentially correct. Has nothing to
do with our Govt. It was an outside job.

I have found the truth with respect to who and how for the WTC attacks.

It was Al-Qaida led by Bin Laden it was brought down with hijacked
planeloads of fuel and people.

I'm not convinced that is was an inside job either, but there are still a lot of questions that are not answered. So many mistakes were made, so much bungling is being covered up. I think they just want to cover up how much they totally screwed up. It might have been an inside job, and maybe not, but there is still something really wrong in the over all picture. There is something really wrong in the construction of the Twin towers if they collapsed because of a plane. There is something wrong with our own response time for stopping those planes. Somebody screwed up. Probably many people screwed up.

I am gonna say it. You don't have an open mind. How many times have you said you KNOW what happened. That is not having an open mind.

Physics doesn't make a lot or sense to a lot of people. That doesn't mean physics is wrong it just means they don't understand it.

Here is a security cam of the impact at the Pentagon. It's 3 minutes 11 seconds long. You can play it frame by frame by pausing then sliding the bar one second at a time. It shows only the nose of the plane since the camera took 1 frame per second. Being shiny aluminum, it is reflecting a lot of light, so it appears smaller than it is. However, it definitely has a golden glow of reflecting sunlight on the topside. It's still difficult to ID, but there are a number of points to indicate it was a plane not a missile.

First off, there is no flame trail. Second, the fireball occurs external to the building immediately upon impact. A missile designed to penetrate a bunker does not explode immediately upon impact because it is meant to explode inside the bunker after punching through reinforced concrete. Thirdly, immediately after impact you can see debris flying to the air. You can watch as the debris scatters and see how far it is flung. Some of it lands directly in front of the camera. If a bunker-busting missile disintegrated that quick, given its small size compared to a 757, it would never punch through the concrete adequately enough to fulfill it's purpose. This debris is the aluminum shell of the plane (notice it is twisted, torn sheet metal).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pentagon_Security_Camera_1.ogv

Here is another view of the debris field after fire personnel arrive on scene. Note that this is the opposite side of the lawn from where most photos were taken that day. Smoke, crews, equipment, and distance made it difficult to see from those angles. Consistent with accounts from reporters on the scene on 9/11, the debris from the plane is very small. Amazingly small.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flight_77_wreckage_at_Pentagon.jpg

Here is one of the pictures everyone is already familiar with. Look close enough, and you'll notice a few things. One is the hole where the fuselage punched into the building....on the left side, partially masked by smoke. Then look at the grass. There are a few pieces of debris. Look at the previous picture. Note how much further away the debris is. Consider the camera footage, and remember watching the debris fly through the air after impact. This is why the lawn was so clean of debris: initial photos were focusing on where the building was struck and the fire itself, not on the outlying areas where the debris actually was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DM-SD-02-03886.JPEG

Here is one of the truthers' favorite videos from the Pentagon. You see the full length of the plane, but it is so far away and blurry that you cannot see any details or markings. The lens has spots on it from either dirt or condensation. In any event, there is one thing the truther's miss and cut out from their videos when they shorten the length. Freeze the video at 0:53. See that in the lower left corner? That's a ragged piece of aluminum from the body of the plane flying past the camera. It disappears in the next frame.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pentagon_Security_Camera_2.ogv

These two cameras are at the same end of the building, but are pointed at different angles. This is one of the pieces of debris we likely see in the first video.

Now go back to 0:29 and watch the left side....the far end of the building. That appears to be a reflection of the flame from the fireball. It reflected off a gatehouse window and then reflected back again off the Pentagon's windows. Note how it only shows up after the flames reach a certain height above the building. That is how I know this to be the case. If that's not enough to hint toward the video being unaltered, combined with what the first video showed, watch as people begin responding. If you want to question the point where the video gets bright for a second, that seems like an exposure problem, probably because of a brown out due to the impact and explosion.

I show these things because one of the truthers' favorite claims is that there was no airplane debris on the lawn of the Pentagon. Hence, they claimed that it was a missile, not a plane, which struck the building. While the view of the plane in the videos is not conclusive, these truther's are wrong about the lack of debris as the full version of the videos show, as well as photos of the opposite end of the lawn. (Note that the videos and the photo were all left of the impact.) In the photo, you can actually see American Airlines markings on a piece of debris. In one of the videos, you can faintly see markings on the debris as it flies past. The debris alone debunks all the other theories the truthers' claim about the strike on the Pentagon because it is the premise of all their claims. It was what began all the theories and analysis.

As for WTC, I've been trying to find the information to debunk those theories, but there has been so much truther clutter that it's like a needle in a haystack. I know it's there because I came across it before when I was researching truther claims on my own about a year ago. But I didn't save copies of any of the links.

this is just terrible that the pentagon has only one camera set at 1

frame per second.when at the same time my home security camera is 24

frames per second.

maybe top secrets at my place would be in better hands lol

wow why is your video so small?if that was supposed to prove

something make it full screen not tiny.again peoples home webcam

videos are bigger.maybe the pentagon needs to scrap a stealth

bomber and buy better cameras.lol


i just got done watching the show about the norway spree killer and
wow.

they say he hated muslims but decided to kill rich elite campers

instead.why?

he wore a mason uniform and a knights templer uniform

at the end they talked about the unibomber ted kaczynski

and timoty mcveigh and there similaritys they were all crazy right?


no they were all against the new world order = so they became

public enemy no 1


you should hate these people because the nwo wants to impose a

carbon tax on every one left in the world and chip you like

animals and track your every move. but instead you hate the people

who oppose them.they talked alot about the daycare on the first

floor.yet the secretly killed way more children in secret studys.

these people are the same people that brought hitler to power.yet

there the good guys.

when you use your loyalty cards at the stores they dont stay with

the stores. your information gos to the people who have the

security gate alarms at the doors. Checkpoint and Sensormatic they

are tracking everything you and your family buy in every store not

just the store you are shopping in at the time. they have been

creating a huge data base on you and your family.

You probably dont keep on that stuff on record. I bet the pentagon does.

I say I KNOW, because I have looked at the facts and they do NOT support your claims. I don't care how many people say they do, it does not make it accurate.