Topic: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Get Destroyed
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Wed 08/31/11 06:02 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 08/31/11 06:10 PM
I have seen videos where sounds of explosions were heard before any plane hit. And there were plenty of witnesses who heard explosions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6KIbqMRclc

Debunkers have repeatedly claimed that low-temperature burning jet fuel could weaken steel support columns enough to cause the pancake-style collapse of the twin towers, ignoring the plethora of eyewitness testimony to incendiary devices having caused the implosion of the World Trade Center structure.

The new tape is as clear cut as it comes – the firefighters, who were inside the lobby of one of the towers, unequivocally state that secondary explosions which occurred after the planes hit were responsible for causing the towers to collapse.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/video-911-firefighters-reveal-huge-explosions-before-towers-collapsed.html

Bush-Linked Company Handled Security for the WTC, Dulles and United

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm


Rodriguez:

He recalled seeing small teams of men in white “HazMat” coveralls busily moving about the building in the weeks preceding the attacks. Their presence didn’t strike him as particularly odd at the time, except for the fact that they used the stairwells almost exclusively and avoided using the service elevators. But he now began to wonder about these men’s real identities and true purpose.

One particularly bizarre incident snapped into focus, one that was so frightening he recalls it made his “hair stand up.”

A few weeks prior to the attacks, he was working in a stairwell on the 34th floor, which he knew to be completely vacant. Suddenly, he heard the strangest sound—one he’d never heard inside the tower in his nearly twenty years there.

It was a powerful, ominous, “rumbling” sound of something extremely heavy being rolled about. It sounded like a “huge metal dumpster on steel wheels, containing something extremely heavy—tons—being rolled around” a floor that he knew to have been totally empty—devoid even of furniture.

Yet, Rodriguez categorically maintains there was “someone” on that floor moving some monstrous contraption about.

http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/08/10/last-man-out-on-911-makes-shocking-disclosures/




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Wed 08/31/11 06:05 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 08/31/11 06:05 PM
People would have had to be in the building for weeks planting explosives on just about all floors, ripping out walls, etc. None of that was reported. Demolitions collapse from the bottom.


Note: Demolitions do not have to collapse "from the bottom."

The Bush family connection to the security at the World Trade Center:

If the hypothesis of controlled demolition is considered, there inevitably arises one serious obstacle to its plausibility. And that is the fact that thousands of pounds of explosives would have had to have been planted in and around the buildings' core columns and throughout its clearly restricted internal framework. So how, the skeptical questioning goes, did anyone planting these explosives have such ready access to such intimate parts of the building? As with so many of the essential questions raised by 9/11, what often appear at first to be strong arguments against any kind of 'conspiracy theory' that 9/11 was an inside job turn, suddenly, into stunning revelations about heretofore uncovered information that ultimately serve to confirm and strengthen the suspicions about 9/11 being, indeed, a well-orchestrated conspiracy theory.

Take, as an example, this question of how the explosives were planted. How could the security apparatus of the World Trade Center Complex, which was presumably highly sophisticated after the 1993 bombing, allow or not notice the laying of the explosives that supposedly felled the buildings? Well, upon investigating this security apparatus at the WTC, we quickly stumble into the fact that Marvin Bush, George W.'s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom (now Stratesec), the very company in charge of security at the WTC in 2001. Again, it is important to note that the author is not making this up. "Marvin P. Bush, the president's younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport." And not to be outdone by this fact, we also learn that "from 1999 to January of 2002 (Marvin and George W.'s cousin) Wirt Walker III was the company's CEO."

That this stunning, remarkable fact is not front-page news in every newspaper in the country is a mystery I cannot answer, nor solve. That there were well documented power outages and swaths of whole floor shutdowns and evacuations in the weeks leading up to 9/11, perfect opportunities to carry up and plant necessary explosives under the guise of 'maintenance' and/or 'retrofitting' work, only fuels well-placed suspicions. In a People magazine article, Ben Fountain, 42, a financial analyst with Fireman's Fund who worked on the 47th floor of the South Tower, confirmed these evacuations by saying, "How could they let this happen? They knew this building was a target. Over the past few weeks we'd been evacuated a number of times, which is unusual. I think they had an inkling something was going on."


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Wed 08/31/11 06:14 PM
Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served.


According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down."

The company lists as government clients "the U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S Air force, and the Department of Justice," in projects that "often require state-of-the-art security solutions for classified or high-risk government sites."

......> http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911security.html

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Wed 08/31/11 06:18 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 08/31/11 06:20 PM
Who really piloted the planes on 9-11? Where is the proof?

Q: Who was the security at the Airports?

A: Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport.


Airport Video

No Video Shows Hijackers Boarding Targeted Flights

Until 2004, the only video available to the public showing the alleged hijackers at any airport was a clip from a security camera at the Portland, Maine airport showing Mohammed Atta and Abdulaziz Alomari going through security. 1 The public has not been treated to any video showing any of the alleged hijackers at Boston Logan Airport, the origin of Flights 11 and 175, or Newark Airport, the origin of Flight 93. Video allegedly showing four hijackers boarding Flight 77 at Dulles Airport was released by a law firm representing some survivors' families in July of 2004, on the same day that the Kean Commission released its report. 2

At a time when most convenience stores across the country had security cameras, Logan, a major international airport, supposedly had no security cameras in its departure lounges. 3 According to Michael Taylor, president of American International Security Corp, the Newark airport does have video cameras in its departure lounges. So does Dulles International Airport. 4 However, the FBI has refused to release any video from these airports that might prove that the alleged hijackers boarded the flights.

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/airportvideo.html



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Wed 08/31/11 06:49 PM
creators of "loose change"
http://youtu.be/Zs5jWvu4tR8



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Wed 08/31/11 07:00 PM

Actually, Ese....we just need Lpdon to ask the mods to lock the thread. He started it, and he has the right to request it.


Not gonna happen, I find the ignorance of certain people in this thread quite amusing..........bigsmile drinker

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Wed 08/31/11 07:02 PM




Its not only that though that is a huge point. The fact that it would take weeks to plant explosives and wire. They would have to tear out walls and stuff to properly place them. Its not something that can be done secretly.


That fact alone should be enough to shut people up who are talking about explosives. But I have a hunch we'll hear more.



There was a floor that was unoccupied. People (men in cover-alls like workers... unknown function) were seen coming and going from the building weeks before the event. Noises were heard coming from the vacant floor. Yes, it took weeks to set up the explosives in the higher floor, but in the basement, all one would have to do is to drive a truck into the building. Security was lax. Not only that, the security company was a Bush owned security company. Also the security companies in charge of both airports where the planes took off were Bush owned.

Inside job folks.


Wow, you've never seen construction workers on a vacant floor remodeling it or use for storage? Actually in a lot of building the 13th floor is usually vacant or the skip the number all together because of superstitions.

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Wed 08/31/11 07:03 PM

The 9/11 WTC Collapses:
An Audio-Video Analysis

What a Gravity-Driven Demolition Looks Like
The Chandler paper...

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/9-11_wtc_videos.html





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Wed 08/31/11 07:03 PM

Nobody knows who piloted the planes.


Eventhough we have audio and cell phone transmissions identifying the pilots, try again.

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Wed 08/31/11 07:04 PM



Nobody knows who piloted the planes.


rofl rofl


How could they possibly know?
Were bodies recovered?
Why the rolling heads? What is so funny?
Is this the way you have a conversation?

Present your evidence.








Actually in the case of the plane that went down in Penn, yes there were bodies recovered.

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Wed 08/31/11 07:04 PM
And the Pentagon.

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Wed 08/31/11 07:08 PM
Edited by esebulldog on Wed 08/31/11 07:12 PM


Actually, Ese....we just need Lpdon to ask the mods to lock the thread. He started it, and he has the right to request it.

Not gonna happen, I find the ignorance of certain people in this thread quite amusing..........bigsmile drinker

i figured you were enjoying yourself

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Wed 08/31/11 08:04 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 08/31/11 08:09 PM


Nobody knows who piloted the planes.


Eventhough we have audio and cell phone transmissions identifying the pilots, try again.


Have you ever actually heard them?

And I still don't believe that cell phones back then could transmit from fast moving planes.




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Wed 08/31/11 08:06 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 08/31/11 08:08 PM




Nobody knows who piloted the planes.


rofl rofl


How could they possibly know?
Were bodies recovered?
Why the rolling heads? What is so funny?
Is this the way you have a conversation?

Present your evidence.








Actually in the case of the plane that went down in Penn, yes there were bodies recovered.


That is NOT what I heard. That plane was going over 500 mph when it hit the ground. There was not much left of anything.

If you have any evidence or links to support they found any high-jackers bodies, please provide them. All they claimed to have found was a passport. But that is highly suspect since it would have been in the guy's wallet and most of the people were buried under the dirt and scattered beyond recovery.

If they found any alleged "passports" of high-jackers, those were probably planted or just fabrications.

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Wed 08/31/11 08:14 PM


Actually, Ese....we just need Lpdon to ask the mods to lock the thread. He started it, and he has the right to request it.


Not gonna happen, I find the ignorance of certain people in this thread quite amusing..........bigsmile drinker


Instead of rude remarks like the above you might try addressing the actual evidence and information being presented. If you have any intelligent thing to say or good information to add besides just sarcastic remarks, I would respectfully engage in and appreciate a conversation that makes sense.

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Wed 08/31/11 08:22 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 08/31/11 08:22 PM
Rumsfeld says Flight 93 was "shot down."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNuosBnlw5s&NR=1

Evidence Indicates Flight 93 Was Shot Down

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/flight93/index.html

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Wed 08/31/11 08:31 PM
Popular Mechanics has re-entered the media circus in an attempt to continue its 9/11 debunking campaign that began in March of last year. A new book claims to expose the myths of the 9/11 truth movement, yet it is Popular Mechanics who have been exposed as promulgating falsehoods while engaging in nepotism, shoddy research and agenda-driven politics.

It comes as no surprise that Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst Corporation. As fictionalized in Orson Welles' acclaimed film Citizen Kane, William Randolph Hearst wrote the book on cronyism and yellow journalism and Popular Mechanics hasn't bucked that tradition.

http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=6880


There is so much information about 9-11 on the Internet, it dwarfs the pathetic attempt by the propaganda experts to peddle their ridiculous official story.

It is not that people love "conspiracy theories" and want to spend their time on them, it is because people want the truth and they are SICK OF THE LIES.

Yes there are just too many of them. The truth will not be suppressed or hidden.

I prefer to believe a fireman who was there on that day and was witness to explosions on the ground floor of the Trade center building, than the lies spun by propaganda experts and the media.

I find that man on the street, that fireman, and many like him, far far more credible.

drinker


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Wed 08/31/11 08:41 PM


Actually, Ese....we just need Lpdon to ask the mods to lock the thread. He started it, and he has the right to request it.


Not gonna happen, I find the ignorance of certain people in this thread quite amusing..........bigsmile drinker


It is very amusing but it is also vile in it's disrespect of the people who lost loved ones that day. The truthers aren't just misinformed or of unusually low intelligence. They ignore all facts and reason and simple lie to get attention. Sad really.

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Wed 08/31/11 08:56 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 08/31/11 09:03 PM



Actually, Ese....we just need Lpdon to ask the mods to lock the thread. He started it, and he has the right to request it.


Not gonna happen, I find the ignorance of certain people in this thread quite amusing..........bigsmile drinker


It is very amusing but it is also vile in it's disrespect of the people who lost loved ones that day. The truthers aren't just misinformed or of unusually low intelligence. They ignore all facts and reason and simple lie to get attention. Sad really.


>>>"It is very amusing but it is also vile in it's disrespect of the people who lost loved ones that day.<<<"


That is the most cliche remark in the entire propaganda mill. I've heard that ridiculous remark more times than I can remember and it's not even an original thought. I thought you were more creative than that.

The disrespect is for the many witnesses who were actually there and saw and heard explosions that day and were injured by them and were ignored by the official investigators.

The disrespect is in not investigating this crime the right way. The disrespect is in covering up for a criminal organization. There is so much graft and corruption running this country, so may drug lords and crooked politicians and criminals, volumes can be written about them.



The "truthers" as you call them are PEOPLE WHO WILL FIND THE TRUTH. For you to lump them all together and say that they are of low intelligence proves that you have read NOTHING of the facts and investigations done by many engineers, military personnel, and highly respected people. I have a long list of names of people with more intelligence and education than you who don't buy the official propaganda.

You Metal, have NO Idea who all is involved in the "truther" movement because all you read are the fabricated propaganda reports. For you to make statements like that proves to me that you have done nothing to learn or investigate the facts of this event.

The disrespect is from the government who has covered up so much of the truth and ignored so much evidence and are stupid enough to think that the 9-11 commission report is going to convince intelligent people of anything.

Smart people do not swallow the propaganda, and they certainly don't defend it. If you don't think there is any such thing as propaganda, and if you actually believe the official 9-11 commission report, well, that tells me a lot about your credentials.




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Wed 08/31/11 10:25 PM




Actually, Ese....we just need Lpdon to ask the mods to lock the thread. He started it, and he has the right to request it.


Not gonna happen, I find the ignorance of certain people in this thread quite amusing..........bigsmile drinker


It is very amusing but it is also vile in it's disrespect of the people who lost loved ones that day. The truthers aren't just misinformed or of unusually low intelligence. They ignore all facts and reason and simple lie to get attention. Sad really.


>>>"It is very amusing but it is also vile in it's disrespect of the people who lost loved ones that day.<<<"


That is the most cliche remark in the entire propaganda mill. I've heard that ridiculous remark more times than I can remember and it's not even an original thought. I thought you were more creative than that.

The disrespect is for the many witnesses who were actually there and saw and heard explosions that day and were injured by them and were ignored by the official investigators.

The disrespect is in not investigating this crime the right way. The disrespect is in covering up for a criminal organization. There is so much graft and corruption running this country, so may drug lords and crooked politicians and criminals, volumes can be written about them.



The "truthers" as you call them are PEOPLE WHO WILL FIND THE TRUTH. For you to lump them all together and say that they are of low intelligence proves that you have read NOTHING of the facts and investigations done by many engineers, military personnel, and highly respected people. I have a long list of names of people with more intelligence and education than you who don't buy the official propaganda.

You Metal, have NO Idea who all is involved in the "truther" movement because all you read are the fabricated propaganda reports. For you to make statements like that proves to me that you have done nothing to learn or investigate the facts of this event.

The disrespect is from the government who has covered up so much of the truth and ignored so much evidence and are stupid enough to think that the 9-11 commission report is going to convince intelligent people of anything.

Smart people do not swallow the propaganda, and they certainly don't defend it. If you don't think there is any such thing as propaganda, and if you actually believe the official 9-11 commission report, well, that tells me a lot about your credentials.






What you are pretending to sell is a bunch of lies. The vileness is obvious to any decent person. No matter how your lies get exposed, you just come back with more and more. You are either incapable of understanding the truth or you just relish the vile nature of what you are doing; i.e., as an internet troll.

Every statement I have made has been verified one way or another. All of your crazy posts rely on idiots from youtube or simply people with an axe to grind. You should be ashamed.

I don't need any sources of information to know what happened. I saw it live on TV. And unlike you, I am trained in the field.