ah...

no condition eh mate?

but indeed, tis the condition upon which you define and decide as to whom and what be born again.

so again, i bow unto thee great and only god of the host.

for i heard only the god of the host decides which human even be born again.

so, i duly bow and acknowledge you as god.

i hail the one great god.

cowboy.

the definer and decider of what human life be of god.

I decide nothing, I merely pass on previously given information to us long time ago. All decisions are up to our father who art in heaven.

I've address this for you so many times before I'm sure you won't understand it this time either, but for the sake of other people who read these threads, I'll address it again.

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Your comparison of your God with mere mortal behavior fails because humans are not all-powerful and do not have infinite wisdom. Humans go to war out of desperation, and/or out of fear of being attacked and enslaved by an enemy.

An all-wise and all-powerful God would have no reason to fear anything, nor would he need to do anything out of desperation. He would have unlimited wisdom, choices and solutions, that would certainly allow for something better than having his only begotten son nailed to a pole.

Besides, in this religion God would be his own enemy. He would be appeasing himself so that he could forgive humans their sins, which makes no sense at all.

So, sorry. Your analogy with mere mortals fails, again, as it must always fail.

All you're doing when you make those kinds of analogies is suggesting that God is as limited, unwise, and powerless as mere mortals.

You seem to have missed the major concepts of my reasoning.

An all-wise and all-powerful God would not need to have his son nailed to a pole to appease himself of mankind's disobedience.

So how do you respond to this? You come back with an analogy of the behavior of unwise, and powerless humans as justification for why a supposedly all-wise and all-powerful God would need to do something.

Clearly you aren't even capable of comprehending the major points here.

It's no wonder you believe in this religion.

Trying to justify God's behavior by using the behavior of mere mortal men is totally meaningless. Unless you believe that God is just as unwise and powerless as mere mortal men.

That's basically what you are suggesting in your response.

indeed.

you have decided as a god that you have defined the correct meanings of all things spoken and written, enough so to even determine that many other's are lost souls, and not child gods as oneself.

poor wretched little lamb.

what man has caused you to lose your way.

to declare yourself as superior in knowing the path to god.

did you not also read there are none greater than another.

is it not humans that "believe" a belief that declare their truth more truth?

is this not what THEY KNOW, AS MORE TRUTH?

so, you have decided to speak for the god, to all the other child gods, so, as such, i hail you as god.

I WORSHIP COWBOY AS GOD.

can't help it.

i am taught to bow to that which has the keys of heaven and hell.

and of course, that which say's it speaks the truth of god, indeed must have the keys of the truth.

i bow six times this time to the only and only god and one and only truth cowboy.

hail great jehovah.

carry me to heaven upon thy horse.

God has no fears nor does anything out of desperation. So it's your analogies that do not work, for they do not add up.

Why make assumptions? I said not one person was lost, is not my place to place such a statement or make such a judgement. I do not know the heart of anyone, therefore I can not make such a judgement.

well my dear one, indeed you did make a judement, for you declared the only child gods were those "born again", and indeed, yourself as the GREAT DETECTOR OF WHO IS BORN AGAIN.

so, the assummptions dear boy, you have made so many you forget them all.

for if you did not use your own two eyes, cowboys eyes, the eye's of god, to see and judge who was born again, than you would no person to speak words of saving to.

so, decieve yourself.

for do you think you can me?

ah, yes, indeed, i forgot, you are god.

the DETECTOR OF WHO IS LOST.

I have made no judgement. I have merely again passed on information given to us by our father. I made no personal judgement. I said not who was saved or who wasn't saved. I merely enlightened you with the knowledge of how to be saved. Which is not my own knowledge but knowledge given to us by our father.

for to tell another the requirments of being saved, one must first presume they are not.

which makes itself lost, and found wanten, and hanging in the balance, ready to be consumed by everlasting fire.

have fun dear boy.

i might bring ya a pancake if as soon as you admit you made yourself speaker for god, and then i'll let ya out of hell.

No it is not to presume they are not, that is your assumption.

what presumption is made if one has been to both hell and heaven.

nay.

not an iota

Actually if God does nothing out of desperation, that supports my views.

Thank you for the support. At least we're making a little bit of progress.

We're gaining no "progress" for we were already there. I already knew God had no desperations.

No clearly you don't if you believe he had his son nailed to a pole to pay for the salvation of men.

Because there's no way that this could be seen as anything short of an act of desperation.

It was you my friend that had Jesus nailed on that pole, not God. It was because of yours and my sins that was the need of Jesus sacrificing his life for us. God gained nothing from the crucifixion in the exact sense. It wasn't to please God this happened. What pleased God was Jesus being strong and giving us the covenant between man and God and not giving up because of the fear of what was to come. And willing to be greatly loving to give us this law knowing it would end nasty and he would have to suffer himself to go through the pain of death for you. But nevertheless continued on with what he was sent to do. That is what was pleasing to God.

so the little boy say's he judges no one, but then say's my dear friend abra's sins nailed jesus to a pole?

so, cowboy deems abra a sinner.

but, cowboy does not decide who is holy or not holy, per his own words.

hum...

how does that work.

what a crock of shitz...

flowing like rivers....

This is like deja vu. We've had this discussion several times before. You obviously never listen to my responses. So there's no sense addressing this again.

I really don't feel like talking about this sick perverted religion anymore tonight anyway.

I'm sorry that you feel that humanity and God are at such odds with each other. I'm sorry that you believe that you are the reason that Jesus had to be nailed to pole. I'm sorry that you have to condone and accept responsibility for that in order to feel good about yourself in some way. I'm especially sorry if you have some major guilt burden that is making you feel a deep need for this.

Your religious views are making me depressed tonight. I can only take so much of this kind of perverted stuff before it starts to make me physically sick.

I need to go think about something positive and loving for a while.

Please excuse me.

don't be sorry for them dear abra, that is what THEY WANT.

give them what they want.

let them embrace such self serving notions for themself.

for it is only them finding themself in the same position as jesus, that it seems shall change their minds about the profits for self of another's death.

this has been a busy thread today,,,

let me add imaginary dialogue


person one 'I believe because I am enlightened'

person two 'well I dont believe because I am smart'

persom one 'well, I hope you will become more enlighened'

person two 'and I hope you will become smarter,,,'


did I leave out any basics?....lol,,,ok , carry on....

ah, yes, you did.

that the words you wrote, would be doing the same thing, lol.