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I see the religion as nothing but a pure threat. "Either obey me for eternity or their will be wailing and the gnashing of teeth!" My friend.....whom without which I wouldn't even be thinking as I am right now calls this spiritual rape. It's absolutely a fear tactic. You're right on the gift thing too, how can it be a free gift if there's a catch to taking it? Fear has nothing to do with it and there's absolutely no catch. Aren't all gifts in one way or other earned to a degree atleast? Do you give your enemies a gift and or people that treat you badly? No, not unless you're trying to patch the relationship up between the two of you. But you don't just give them a gift to show them how much you love them. They earn that gift. Fear has everything to do with it. When you're holding ones feet over the proverbial fire, it's much easier to bend them to your will then if not. This is what religion, and in particular Christianity does. It promises Heaven if you do things their way, and threatens you with hellfire if you don't. It's a perfect control mechanism, give someone security if they do as they're told, and burn them forever if they don't. It's a power thing, they use eternity as leverage over us. To a certain extent perhaps, but......remember God works on a different plane then we do down here, that's first off. Secondly.....once the gift is actually put out there, if it is being given freely then there shouldn't be any catch. If it's free, all should be entitled to it, otherwise it's not free by definition. No it does not. God has told us Hell is not for man. And it will be destroyed in the end of times. There is no "eternal" burning or anything of that. You either accept the gift of eternal life through Jesus or you cease to exist. |
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NOTHING CAN EARN LOVE. IT IS FREE. Yes it is. God offers you his love. Why reject it? |
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Edited by
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I see the religion as nothing but a pure threat. "Either obey me for eternity or their will be wailing and the gnashing of teeth!" My friend.....whom without which I wouldn't even be thinking as I am right now calls this spiritual rape. It's absolutely a fear tactic. You're right on the gift thing too, how can it be a free gift if there's a catch to taking it? Fear has nothing to do with it and there's absolutely no catch. Aren't all gifts in one way or other earned to a degree atleast? Do you give your enemies a gift and or people that treat you badly? No, not unless you're trying to patch the relationship up between the two of you. But you don't just give them a gift to show them how much you love them. They earn that gift. Fear has everything to do with it. When you're holding ones feet over the proverbial fire, it's much easier to bend them to your will then if not. This is what religion, and in particular Christianity does. It promises Heaven if you do things their way, and threatens you with hellfire if you don't. It's a perfect control mechanism, give someone security if they do as they're told, and burn them forever if they don't. It's a power thing, they use eternity as leverage over us. To a certain extent perhaps, but......remember God works on a different plane then we do down here, that's first off. Secondly.....once the gift is actually put out there, if it is being given freely then there shouldn't be any catch. If it's free, all should be entitled to it, otherwise it's not free by definition. No it does not. God has told us Hell is not for man. And it will be destroyed in the end of times. There is no "eternal" burning or anything of that. You either accept the gift of eternal life through Jesus or you cease to exist. It's still a fear game though, cause you are being told either way you do it my way or you die. That is definitely a fear tactic flat out. |
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NOTHING CAN EARN LOVE. IT IS FREE. Yes it is. God offers you his love. Why reject it? your BELIEF HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LOVE. and as long as you believe it, neither do you. you spew the curse, and so eat of it yourself. YOU REJECT LOVE, ACCEPTING A BELIEF THAT HINGES PUTTING PEOPLE AS HANGING OVER HELL, WITH "CONDITIONS OF HELL", for not obeying. |
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I see the religion as nothing but a pure threat. "Either obey me for eternity or their will be wailing and the gnashing of teeth!" My friend.....whom without which I wouldn't even be thinking as I am right now calls this spiritual rape. It's absolutely a fear tactic. You're right on the gift thing too, how can it be a free gift if there's a catch to taking it? Fear has nothing to do with it and there's absolutely no catch. Aren't all gifts in one way or other earned to a degree atleast? Do you give your enemies a gift and or people that treat you badly? No, not unless you're trying to patch the relationship up between the two of you. But you don't just give them a gift to show them how much you love them. They earn that gift. Fear has everything to do with it. When you're holding ones feet over the proverbial fire, it's much easier to bend them to your will then if not. This is what religion, and in particular Christianity does. It promises Heaven if you do things their way, and threatens you with hellfire if you don't. It's a perfect control mechanism, give someone security if they do as they're told, and burn them forever if they don't. It's a power thing, they use eternity as leverage over us. To a certain extent perhaps, but......remember God works on a different plane then we do down here, that's first off. Secondly.....once the gift is actually put out there, if it is being given freely then there shouldn't be any catch. If it's free, all should be entitled to it, otherwise it's not free by definition. No it does not. God has told us Hell is not for man. And it will be destroyed in the end of times. There is no "eternal" burning or anything of that. You either accept the gift of eternal life through Jesus or you cease to exist. It's still a fear game though, cause you are being told either way you do it my way or you die. That is definitely a fear tactic flat out. So would you rather not be told of what comes from disobedience? If a country has not been told it is illegal for speeding, there is no speed limit signs, but yet you get a speeding ticket one day. Would this be fair? Would this be appropriate? Would this be loving? It's not a threat, it is merely being informed of what comes of certain actions. |
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NOTHING CAN EARN LOVE. IT IS FREE. Yes it is. God offers you his love. Why reject it? your BELIEF HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LOVE. and as long as you believe it, neither do you. you spew the curse, and so eat of it yourself. YOU REJECT LOVE, ACCEPTING A BELIEF THAT HINGES PUTTING PEOPLE AS HANGING OVER HELL, WITH "CONDITIONS OF HELL", for not obeying. Has nothing to do with love? That's strange, I've been taught that if I'm in need of something all I have to do is ask for it and I will receive it. That seems like love to me. Is it love to let your children go hungry, or is it love to provide for them? So please I ask of you again take your lies somewhere else. God gives us all we need if we just ask. |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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I see the religion as nothing but a pure threat. "Either obey me for eternity or their will be wailing and the gnashing of teeth!" My friend.....whom without which I wouldn't even be thinking as I am right now calls this spiritual rape. It's absolutely a fear tactic. You're right on the gift thing too, how can it be a free gift if there's a catch to taking it? Fear has nothing to do with it and there's absolutely no catch. Aren't all gifts in one way or other earned to a degree atleast? Do you give your enemies a gift and or people that treat you badly? No, not unless you're trying to patch the relationship up between the two of you. But you don't just give them a gift to show them how much you love them. They earn that gift. Fear has everything to do with it. When you're holding ones feet over the proverbial fire, it's much easier to bend them to your will then if not. This is what religion, and in particular Christianity does. It promises Heaven if you do things their way, and threatens you with hellfire if you don't. It's a perfect control mechanism, give someone security if they do as they're told, and burn them forever if they don't. It's a power thing, they use eternity as leverage over us. To a certain extent perhaps, but......remember God works on a different plane then we do down here, that's first off. Secondly.....once the gift is actually put out there, if it is being given freely then there shouldn't be any catch. If it's free, all should be entitled to it, otherwise it's not free by definition. No it does not. God has told us Hell is not for man. And it will be destroyed in the end of times. There is no "eternal" burning or anything of that. You either accept the gift of eternal life through Jesus or you cease to exist. It's still a fear game though, cause you are being told either way you do it my way or you die. That is definitely a fear tactic flat out. So would you rather not be told of what comes from disobedience? If a country has not been told it is illegal for speeding, there is no speed limit signs, but yet you get a speeding ticket one day. Would this be fair? Would this be appropriate? Would this be loving? It's not a threat, it is merely being informed of what comes of certain actions. You presume the Bible speaks for God, and I don't believe that, not anymore. The Bible is a book authored by man for means of control. There is some truth in it as far as God's love goes, but......beyond that, this is all it is. God needs no book to speak for Him, His truth's are self evident. |
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do you not get it, THAT SUCH IS THE VERY ESSENCE OF THE MEANING OF "LIES OF THE DEVIL"...
OF HUMANS. with imaginations of HORNED CREATURES... with imaginations of TORNADOES AS THE DEVIL. with imaginations of hurricaines as WRATH OF GOD ON EVIL WRONG DOERS. evil that HUMANS CREATE IN THEIR MINDS AS REAL, WHEN THEY SEEK TO BUT PROVE HOW SOME ARE EVIL, BESIDES THEMSELF. CALLED AS DEVILS AS LONG AS THEY TURN GOD AS LOVE INTO "HELL". so, your belief is the very beast and false prophet that decieved mankind, and is declared to be thrown into the pit of everlasting fire. notice, it DID NOT SAY ANY PERSON. A BELIEF IS THROWN INTO THE PIT OF EVERLASTING FIRE. SO TO BE REMEMBERED IN THE HUMAN BRAINS NO MORE. AS THERE IS NO PIT OF FIRE IN THER LITERAL, OTHER THAN THE CENTER OF THE EARTH, SO IT REFERS TO THE KNOWING OF "THE MOST TRUTH", THAT DESTROYS THE HATE AND VIOLENCE LIVING TO AVOID HELL, with the simply knowing that the higher realm is so good, that it referred to the lower realms where HUMANS RESIDE, AS HELL ON EARTH. that is the meausre of HOW MUCH PAIN AND SUFFERING EXIST HERE. if you don't see the amount of pain and suffering of earth, as hell, then it is only because there is no insight of the pain of HUMANS. and this comes, from but seeing self pain as holy grail of all importance... which indeed, creates one to SEEK RELIEF BY WISHING OR SEEKING HEAVEN FOR THEMSELF. which canont be missed, the most human pain is created by staring at ONESELF. so, a infinity dead end is created. a recircling loop of logic, based in pain relief, a comfort for self, that there is no escape from. and the NOTION OF HELL THEN AS IN SOME AFTERLIFE BELIEVED. which THEN CREATES THE HELL HERE. until one fights to KEEP HELL FROM BEING CREATED HERE FOR OTHERS, THAN IT CANNOT FEEL LOVE, WHICH IS HEAVEN, AND SO DECLARES IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. why did the book say, they shall find heaven lay within? TOTALLY DECLARES NOT "JUST IN AFTERLIFE"... as if life is eternal, IF YOUR GOOD! BULLSHITZ... any way you slice it. lies cowboy. and you would find so easily,if you did not derive oyur pleasure of self importance and self magnitude, by your belief. SELF IMPORTANCE ENOUGH, TO DECLARE ALL THAT DON'T BELIEVE AS YOU, SHALL FRY IN HELL? ALL THAT BELIEVE AS YOU, CREATE ALL THE HUMAN HELL THAT EVER EXISTED. |
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NOTHING CAN EARN LOVE. IT IS FREE. Yes it is. God offers you his love. Why reject it? your BELIEF HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LOVE. and as long as you believe it, neither do you. you spew the curse, and so eat of it yourself. YOU REJECT LOVE, ACCEPTING A BELIEF THAT HINGES PUTTING PEOPLE AS HANGING OVER HELL, WITH "CONDITIONS OF HELL", for not obeying. YOU REJECT LOVE, ACCEPTING A BELIEF THAT HINGES PUTTING PEOPLE AS HANGING OVER HELL, WITH "CONDITIONS OF HELL", for not obeying. Not one person will EVER go to hell. Hell is not made for man. No one is threatening with hell or anything of such. Hell is destroyed in the end of times. You either earn eternal life and the paradise of heaven or you die. There is not ETERNAL PUNISHMENT. |
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NOTHING CAN EARN LOVE. IT IS FREE. Yes it is. God offers you his love. Why reject it? your BELIEF HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LOVE. and as long as you believe it, neither do you. you spew the curse, and so eat of it yourself. YOU REJECT LOVE, ACCEPTING A BELIEF THAT HINGES PUTTING PEOPLE AS HANGING OVER HELL, WITH "CONDITIONS OF HELL", for not obeying. YOU REJECT LOVE, ACCEPTING A BELIEF THAT HINGES PUTTING PEOPLE AS HANGING OVER HELL, WITH "CONDITIONS OF HELL", for not obeying. Not one person will EVER go to hell. Hell is not made for man. No one is threatening with hell or anything of such. Hell is destroyed in the end of times. You either earn eternal life and the paradise of heaven or you die. There is not ETERNAL PUNISHMENT. As if the alternative is that much better right? Give me a break. |
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do you not get it, THAT SUCH IS THE VERY ESSENCE OF THE MEANING OF "LIES OF THE DEVIL"... OF HUMANS. with imaginations of HORNED CREATURES... with imaginations of TORNADOES AS THE DEVIL. with imaginations of hurricaines as WRATH OF GOD ON EVIL WRONG DOERS. evil that HUMANS CREATE IN THEIR MINDS AS REAL, WHEN THEY SEEK TO BUT PROVE HOW SOME ARE EVIL, BESIDES THEMSELF. CALLED AS DEVILS AS LONG AS THEY TURN GOD AS LOVE INTO "HELL". so, your belief is the very beast and false prophet that decieved mankind, and is declared to be thrown into the pit of everlasting fire. notice, it DID NOT SAY ANY PERSON. A BELIEF IS THROWN INTO THE PIT OF EVERLASTING FIRE. SO TO BE REMEMBERED IN THE HUMAN BRAINS NO MORE. AS THERE IS NO PIT OF FIRE IN THER LITERAL, OTHER THAN THE CENTER OF THE EARTH, SO IT REFERS TO THE KNOWING OF "THE MOST TRUTH", THAT DESTROYS THE HATE AND VIOLENCE LIVING TO AVOID HELL, with the simply knowing that the higher realm is so good, that it referred to the lower realms where HUMANS RESIDE, AS HELL ON EARTH. that is the meausre of HOW MUCH PAIN AND SUFFERING EXIST HERE. if you don't see the amount of pain and suffering of earth, as hell, then it is only because there is no insight of the pain of HUMANS. and this comes, from but seeing self pain as holy grail of all importance... which indeed, creates one to SEEK RELIEF BY WISHING OR SEEKING HEAVEN FOR THEMSELF. which canont be missed, the most human pain is created by staring at ONESELF. so, a infinity dead end is created. a recircling loop of logic, based in pain relief, a comfort for self, that there is no escape from. and the NOTION OF HELL THEN AS IN SOME AFTERLIFE BELIEVED. which THEN CREATES THE HELL HERE. until one fights to KEEP HELL FROM BEING CREATED HERE FOR OTHERS, THAN IT CANNOT FEEL LOVE, WHICH IS HEAVEN, AND SO DECLARES IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. why did the book say, they shall find heaven lay within? TOTALLY DECLARES NOT "JUST IN AFTERLIFE"... as if life is eternal, IF YOUR GOOD! BULLSHITZ... any way you slice it. lies cowboy. and you would find so easily,if you did not derive oyur pleasure of self importance and self magnitude, by your belief. SELF IMPORTANCE ENOUGH, TO DECLARE ALL THAT DON'T BELIEVE AS YOU, SHALL FRY IN HELL? ALL THAT BELIEVE AS YOU, CREATE ALL THE HUMAN HELL THAT EVER EXISTED. THAT DESTROYS THE HATE AND VIOLENCE LIVING TO AVOID HELL You can not avoid hell by being hateful or violent. That is exactly what God has told us not to be. Christianity spreads no hatred, it is those whom do not believe and or understand the word that creates the hatred. God tells us to love one another as oneself. To provide for all those whom need help. Has nothing to do with hatred, violence, or anything of such. |
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I see the religion as nothing but a pure threat. "Either obey me for eternity or their will be wailing and the gnashing of teeth!" My friend.....whom without which I wouldn't even be thinking as I am right now calls this spiritual rape. It's absolutely a fear tactic. You're right on the gift thing too, how can it be a free gift if there's a catch to taking it? Fear has nothing to do with it and there's absolutely no catch. Aren't all gifts in one way or other earned to a degree atleast? Do you give your enemies a gift and or people that treat you badly? No, not unless you're trying to patch the relationship up between the two of you. But you don't just give them a gift to show them how much you love them. They earn that gift. Fear has everything to do with it. When you're holding ones feet over the proverbial fire, it's much easier to bend them to your will then if not. This is what religion, and in particular Christianity does. It promises Heaven if you do things their way, and threatens you with hellfire if you don't. It's a perfect control mechanism, give someone security if they do as they're told, and burn them forever if they don't. It's a power thing, they use eternity as leverage over us. To a certain extent perhaps, but......remember God works on a different plane then we do down here, that's first off. Secondly.....once the gift is actually put out there, if it is being given freely then there shouldn't be any catch. If it's free, all should be entitled to it, otherwise it's not free by definition. No it does not. God has told us Hell is not for man. And it will be destroyed in the end of times. There is no "eternal" burning or anything of that. You either accept the gift of eternal life through Jesus or you cease to exist. It's still a fear game though, cause you are being told either way you do it my way or you die. That is definitely a fear tactic flat out. So would you rather not be told of what comes from disobedience? If a country has not been told it is illegal for speeding, there is no speed limit signs, but yet you get a speeding ticket one day. Would this be fair? Would this be appropriate? Would this be loving? It's not a threat, it is merely being informed of what comes of certain actions. You presume the Bible speaks for God, and I don't believe that, not anymore. The Bible is a book authored by man for means of control. There is some truth in it as far as God's love goes, but......beyond that, this is all it is. God needs no book to speak for Him, His truth's are self evident. No the bible does not speak for God, God can not be found in the book called the bible. The bible is merely a collection of things that have happened in the past and prophesies of the future. It contains laws for us to abide by. But no it doesn't literally speak for God. |
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NOTHING CAN EARN LOVE. IT IS FREE. Yes it is. God offers you his love. Why reject it? your BELIEF HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LOVE. and as long as you believe it, neither do you. you spew the curse, and so eat of it yourself. YOU REJECT LOVE, ACCEPTING A BELIEF THAT HINGES PUTTING PEOPLE AS HANGING OVER HELL, WITH "CONDITIONS OF HELL", for not obeying. YOU REJECT LOVE, ACCEPTING A BELIEF THAT HINGES PUTTING PEOPLE AS HANGING OVER HELL, WITH "CONDITIONS OF HELL", for not obeying. Not one person will EVER go to hell. Hell is not made for man. No one is threatening with hell or anything of such. Hell is destroyed in the end of times. You either earn eternal life and the paradise of heaven or you die. There is not ETERNAL PUNISHMENT. As if the alternative is that much better right? Give me a break. That is a decision you'd have to make on your own. For me being with my family and being able to see my father, yes it is much better. Spending more times with family and friends, praising our father in all his greatness and love he has shown to us. Again yes that is much better then dying and ceasing to exist. |
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Edited by
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NOTHING CAN EARN LOVE. IT IS FREE. Yes it is. God offers you his love. Why reject it? your BELIEF HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LOVE. and as long as you believe it, neither do you. you spew the curse, and so eat of it yourself. YOU REJECT LOVE, ACCEPTING A BELIEF THAT HINGES PUTTING PEOPLE AS HANGING OVER HELL, WITH "CONDITIONS OF HELL", for not obeying. Has nothing to do with love? That's strange, I've been taught that if I'm in need of something all I have to do is ask for it and I will receive it. That seems like love to me. Is it love to let your children go hungry, or is it love to provide for them? So please I ask of you again take your lies somewhere else. God gives us all we need if we just ask. "i have been taught "I" am in need of something all I have to do is ask for it and I will recieve it. and you call that love? for WHO? YOURSELF. WITH GOD AS THE CANDY MACHINE TO DOSE OUT "GOOD TO SELF". that is not love. nothing gets any real or true from god, lest it ask GOD for what god is, WHICH IS UNCONDITIONAL LOVE FOR OTHERS. there is nothing ABOUT LOVE, WHICH YOUR OWN BOOK DECLARES THE ONLY LOVE, AND GOD, TO BE UNCONDITOIONAL LOVE, OF OTHERS. SO THEN ONE WOULD NOT EVEN CONSIDER ASKING "GOD" FOR "GOOD FOR SELF", AS THESE WOULD BE "NOT OF GOD", per your own BOOKS WORDS. then brains induces thoughts. thoughts of good for self. and thoughts of good for others. to embrace only the thoughts of "good for others", and reject thoughts of "good for self",would be the ONLY WAY, TO DECLARE SELF AS HAVING UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. OR ITSELF AS OF GOD. PERIOD. all your bullshitz is what self serving, self seeking, self worhsipping, self adoring, self attaining, self procuring humans MADE UP. TO SUTIE THEMSELF. AND TO FIT THEIR SELF SERVING MOTIVES AND METHODS OF THEIR OWN "CHOSEN" THOUGHT PROCESS. and indeed, these that DECLARE AND PRMOMOTE SUCH AS "GOOD OF GOD", CREATE "THE MOST" HUMAN HELL. so, what you say is good belief and OF GOD, IS declared LIES BY YOUR OWN BOOK. |
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NOTHING CAN EARN LOVE. IT IS FREE. Yes it is. God offers you his love. Why reject it? your BELIEF HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LOVE. and as long as you believe it, neither do you. you spew the curse, and so eat of it yourself. YOU REJECT LOVE, ACCEPTING A BELIEF THAT HINGES PUTTING PEOPLE AS HANGING OVER HELL, WITH "CONDITIONS OF HELL", for not obeying. YOU REJECT LOVE, ACCEPTING A BELIEF THAT HINGES PUTTING PEOPLE AS HANGING OVER HELL, WITH "CONDITIONS OF HELL", for not obeying. Not one person will EVER go to hell. Hell is not made for man. No one is threatening with hell or anything of such. Hell is destroyed in the end of times. You either earn eternal life and the paradise of heaven or you die. There is not ETERNAL PUNISHMENT. As if the alternative is that much better right? Give me a break. That is a decision you'd have to make on your own. For me being with my family and being able to see my father, yes it is much better. Spending more times with family and friends, praising our father in all his greatness and love he has shown to us. Again yes that is much better then dying and ceasing to exist. No I mean....the difference between hell and that. It's still a fear tactic, cause either way you hold death over someone if they don't do things your way. That's just wrong, and far beneath a loving parent. |
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COWBOY...
you say, "not one person will EVER go to hell"? then WHO GOES TO HELL? |
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No I mean....the difference between hell and that. It's still a fear tactic, cause either way you hold death over someone if they don't do things your way. That's just wrong, and far beneath a loving parent. Truly, that wouldn't be a loving caring parent. On the contrary that would be a very hateful mean and uncaring parent. Especially considering that this supposed God would kill even spirits who simply don't believe that it could be so mean and hateful. Now, Cowboy's argument is often, "Oh but God isn't mean and hateful". Well, sorry, but that argument doesn't hold water. Because if we, as non-believers, are rejecting these ancient stories as mere fables of men, because we personally see them as being uncaring and hateful, then it really doesn't matter what Cowboy thinks. That would be entirely irrelevant. The bottom line is that we, as non-believers, reject what WE SEE as a hateful religious mythology. And that's our HONEST perception of it. Therefore this God would need to kill HONEST DECENT PEOPLE simply because they supposedly 'misunderstood' his book. 
I mean, face it Cowboy, if I hate the biblical picture of God because I feel that it portrays a picture of an ignorant uncaring God, and that's the WRONG PICTURE. Then clearly I am NOT rejecting this God. All I would be doing is rejecting a WRONG PICTURE of God. Therefore this God could not even claim that I'm rejecting it! That would be utter nonsense. The only way this God could claim that I'm rejecting it is to say, "YES, I really am an uncaring ignorant jerk that you thought I was". Otherwise it would make absolutely no sense for this God to kill. If this God is truly as all-wise and all-loving as your claim, then this God would necessarily need to say to me, "I am sorry sorry that you misunderstood my book. I'm not anything like what you think I am, and I'm nothing at all like the things that you are rejecting" In other words, this God would actually need to be PLEASED with me that I didn't believe the picture that I perceived from this book. Because the picture I perceive must necessarily be WRONG according to you! You keep using the human child/parent analogy. Well, let's try it here. Suppose your children were given a story of you that caused them to think that you were like Hitler. And they rejected that story saying, "That can't be a story about OUR FATHER, because we don't believe that OUR FATHER is like Hitler". What are you doing to do now? Chastise your children for not believing that you are like Hitler? Or be well-pleased in them that they had far MORE FAITH in you than to fall for such ignorant stories about you? No God can possible be mean to, or kill anyone, for simply refusing to believe that the God is an uncaring mean bastard. If God is truly a loving caring God all that God can possibly do is be PLEASED that someone wouldn't believe that he could be so ruthless. So if God has any virtue of love or caring at all, then God would truly necessary have no choice but to open the gates of his heaven and welcome all non-believers of the Bible, who have rejected the Bible as portraying God to be uncaring, unwise, and even hateful. In other words, if you TRULY BELIEVE that God is all-loving and all-righteous, then a belief in the Bible, or that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of God cannot possibly be important to obtaining the love and respect of this God. And so my position is that since the Bible demands otherwise, then that just proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that it cannot be true. Because that very notion is incompatible with a genuinely wise, loving, and caring God. 
The very doctrine that you continually support, is simply incompatible with a genuinely loving caring God. If you want to believe in a genuinely loving caring God you need to find a better religious picture of God, IMHO. That's all there is to it. The religious doctrine that you've chosen to give your support to simply doesn't match up with what you'd obviously like God to be like. |
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COWBOY... you say, "not one person will EVER go to hell"? then WHO GOES TO HELL? Nobody. Hell is merely a holding place for Satan waiting for judgement day. That is why Hell is destroyed after judgement, for it is not needed cause Satan is cast into the lake of fire. |
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COWBOY... you say, "not one person will EVER go to hell"? then WHO GOES TO HELL? Nobody. Hell is merely a holding place for Satan waiting for judgement day. That is why Hell is destroyed after judgement, for it is not needed cause Satan is cast into the lake of fire. COOL. NO HELL FOR HUMANS. THE ONLY OTHER CHOICE THAT WAS GIVEN? HEAVEN. SO THEN ALL GO TO HEAVEN. CONCUR. |
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COWBOY... you say, "not one person will EVER go to hell"? then WHO GOES TO HELL? Nobody. Hell is merely a holding place for Satan waiting for judgement day. That is why Hell is destroyed after judgement, for it is not needed cause Satan is cast into the lake of fire. COOL. NO HELL FOR HUMANS. THE ONLY OTHER CHOICE THAT WAS GIVEN? HEAVEN. SO THEN ALL GO TO HEAVEN. CONCUR. No. You either earn the gift of heaven and eternal life or you simply die. |
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