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No I mean....the difference between hell and that. It's still a fear tactic, cause either way you hold death over someone if they don't do things your way. That's just wrong, and far beneath a loving parent. Truly, that wouldn't be a loving caring parent. On the contrary that would be a very hateful mean and uncaring parent. Especially considering that this supposed God would kill even spirits who simply don't believe that it could be so mean and hateful. Now, Cowboy's argument is often, "Oh but God isn't mean and hateful". Well, sorry, but that argument doesn't hold water. Because if we, as non-believers, are rejecting these ancient stories as mere fables of men, because we personally see them as being uncaring and hateful, then it really doesn't matter what Cowboy thinks. That would be entirely irrelevant. The bottom line is that we, as non-believers, reject what WE SEE as a hateful religious mythology. And that's our HONEST perception of it. Therefore this God would need to kill HONEST DECENT PEOPLE simply because they supposedly 'misunderstood' his book. 
I mean, face it Cowboy, if I hate the biblical picture of God because I feel that it portrays a picture of an ignorant uncaring God, and that's the WRONG PICTURE. Then clearly I am NOT rejecting this God. All I would be doing is rejecting a WRONG PICTURE of God. Therefore this God could not even claim that I'm rejecting it! That would be utter nonsense. The only way this God could claim that I'm rejecting it is to say, "YES, I really am an uncaring ignorant jerk that you thought I was". Otherwise it would make absolutely no sense for this God to kill. If this God is truly as all-wise and all-loving as your claim, then this God would necessarily need to say to me, "I am sorry sorry that you misunderstood my book. I'm not anything like what you think I am, and I'm nothing at all like the things that you are rejecting" In other words, this God would actually need to be PLEASED with me that I didn't believe the picture that I perceived from this book. Because the picture I perceive must necessarily be WRONG according to you! You keep using the human child/parent analogy. Well, let's try it here. Suppose your children were given a story of you that caused them to think that you were like Hitler. And they rejected that story saying, "That can't be a story about OUR FATHER, because we don't believe that OUR FATHER is like Hitler". What are you doing to do now? Chastise your children for not believing that you are like Hitler? Or be well-pleased in them that they had far MORE FAITH in you than to fall for such ignorant stories about you? No God can possible be mean to, or kill anyone, for simply refusing to believe that the God is an uncaring mean bastard. If God is truly a loving caring God all that God can possibly do is be PLEASED that someone wouldn't believe that he could be so ruthless. So if God has any virtue of love or caring at all, then God would truly necessary have no choice but to open the gates of his heaven and welcome all non-believers of the Bible, who have rejected the Bible as portraying God to be uncaring, unwise, and even hateful. In other words, if you TRULY BELIEVE that God is all-loving and all-righteous, then a belief in the Bible, or that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of God cannot possibly be important to obtaining the love and respect of this God. And so my position is that since the Bible demands otherwise, then that just proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that it cannot be true. Because that very notion is incompatible with a genuinely wise, loving, and caring God. 
The very doctrine that you continually support, is simply incompatible with a genuinely loving caring God. If you want to believe in a genuinely loving caring God you need to find a better religious picture of God, IMHO. That's all there is to it. The religious doctrine that you've chosen to give your support to simply doesn't match up with what you'd obviously like God to be like. The bottom line is that we, as non-believers, reject what WE SEE as a hateful religious mythology. And that's our HONEST perception of it. How is it hateful? We are specifically told to LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. Doesn't say love whom you wish to love as thyself, doesn't say love those whom have the same beliefs as thyself, it says LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. |
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No I mean....the difference between hell and that. It's still a fear tactic, cause either way you hold death over someone if they don't do things your way. That's just wrong, and far beneath a loving parent. Truly, that wouldn't be a loving caring parent. On the contrary that would be a very hateful mean and uncaring parent. Especially considering that this supposed God would kill even spirits who simply don't believe that it could be so mean and hateful. Now, Cowboy's argument is often, "Oh but God isn't mean and hateful". Well, sorry, but that argument doesn't hold water. Because if we, as non-believers, are rejecting these ancient stories as mere fables of men, because we personally see them as being uncaring and hateful, then it really doesn't matter what Cowboy thinks. That would be entirely irrelevant. The bottom line is that we, as non-believers, reject what WE SEE as a hateful religious mythology. And that's our HONEST perception of it. Therefore this God would need to kill HONEST DECENT PEOPLE simply because they supposedly 'misunderstood' his book.
I mean, face it Cowboy, if I hate the biblical picture of God because I feel that it portrays a picture of an ignorant uncaring God, and that's the WRONG PICTURE. Then clearly I am NOT rejecting this God. All I would be doing is rejecting a WRONG PICTURE of God. Therefore this God could not even claim that I'm rejecting it! That would be utter nonsense. The only way this God could claim that I'm rejecting it is to say, "YES, I really am an uncaring ignorant jerk that you thought I was". Otherwise it would make absolutely no sense for this God to kill. If this God is truly as all-wise and all-loving as your claim, then this God would necessarily need to say to me, "I am sorry sorry that you misunderstood my book. I'm not anything like what you think I am, and I'm nothing at all like the things that you are rejecting" In other words, this God would actually need to be PLEASED with me that I didn't believe the picture that I perceived from this book. Because the picture I perceive must necessarily be WRONG according to you! You keep using the human child/parent analogy. Well, let's try it here. Suppose your children were given a story of you that caused them to think that you were like Hitler. And they rejected that story saying, "That can't be a story about OUR FATHER, because we don't believe that OUR FATHER is like Hitler". What are you doing to do now? Chastise your children for not believing that you are like Hitler? Or be well-pleased in them that they had far MORE FAITH in you than to fall for such ignorant stories about you? No God can possible be mean to, or kill anyone, for simply refusing to believe that the God is an uncaring mean bastard. If God is truly a loving caring God all that God can possibly do is be PLEASED that someone wouldn't believe that he could be so ruthless. So if God has any virtue of love or caring at all, then God would truly necessary have no choice but to open the gates of his heaven and welcome all non-believers of the Bible, who have rejected the Bible as portraying God to be uncaring, unwise, and even hateful. In other words, if you TRULY BELIEVE that God is all-loving and all-righteous, then a belief in the Bible, or that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of God cannot possibly be important to obtaining the love and respect of this God. And so my position is that since the Bible demands otherwise, then that just proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that it cannot be true. Because that very notion is incompatible with a genuinely wise, loving, and caring God.
The very doctrine that you continually support, is simply incompatible with a genuinely loving caring God. If you want to believe in a genuinely loving caring God you need to find a better religious picture of God, IMHO. That's all there is to it. The religious doctrine that you've chosen to give your support to simply doesn't match up with what you'd obviously like God to be like. The bottom line is that we, as non-believers, reject what WE SEE as a hateful religious mythology. And that's our HONEST perception of it. How is it hateful? We are specifically told to LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. Doesn't say love whom you wish to love as thyself, doesn't say love those whom have the same beliefs as thyself, it says LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. Does love equal forcing your ideas down ones throat where it isn't wanted until they accept them? It doesn't exactly fit to me. |
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Cowboy wrote:
No. You either earn the gift of heaven and eternal life or you simply die. From what religion does that come from? Jesus said that there will be wailing and the gnashing of teeth. That's hardly "simply dying". John wrote in revelations (which supposedly ultimately came from Jesus) that suffering in "second death" will be eternal. So it appears to me, once again, that you don't agree with, or even like, the actual religious doctrine that you keep supporting. |
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No I mean....the difference between hell and that. It's still a fear tactic, cause either way you hold death over someone if they don't do things your way. That's just wrong, and far beneath a loving parent. Truly, that wouldn't be a loving caring parent. On the contrary that would be a very hateful mean and uncaring parent. Especially considering that this supposed God would kill even spirits who simply don't believe that it could be so mean and hateful. Now, Cowboy's argument is often, "Oh but God isn't mean and hateful". Well, sorry, but that argument doesn't hold water. Because if we, as non-believers, are rejecting these ancient stories as mere fables of men, because we personally see them as being uncaring and hateful, then it really doesn't matter what Cowboy thinks. That would be entirely irrelevant. The bottom line is that we, as non-believers, reject what WE SEE as a hateful religious mythology. And that's our HONEST perception of it. Therefore this God would need to kill HONEST DECENT PEOPLE simply because they supposedly 'misunderstood' his book.
I mean, face it Cowboy, if I hate the biblical picture of God because I feel that it portrays a picture of an ignorant uncaring God, and that's the WRONG PICTURE. Then clearly I am NOT rejecting this God. All I would be doing is rejecting a WRONG PICTURE of God. Therefore this God could not even claim that I'm rejecting it! That would be utter nonsense. The only way this God could claim that I'm rejecting it is to say, "YES, I really am an uncaring ignorant jerk that you thought I was". Otherwise it would make absolutely no sense for this God to kill. If this God is truly as all-wise and all-loving as your claim, then this God would necessarily need to say to me, "I am sorry sorry that you misunderstood my book. I'm not anything like what you think I am, and I'm nothing at all like the things that you are rejecting" In other words, this God would actually need to be PLEASED with me that I didn't believe the picture that I perceived from this book. Because the picture I perceive must necessarily be WRONG according to you! You keep using the human child/parent analogy. Well, let's try it here. Suppose your children were given a story of you that caused them to think that you were like Hitler. And they rejected that story saying, "That can't be a story about OUR FATHER, because we don't believe that OUR FATHER is like Hitler". What are you doing to do now? Chastise your children for not believing that you are like Hitler? Or be well-pleased in them that they had far MORE FAITH in you than to fall for such ignorant stories about you? No God can possible be mean to, or kill anyone, for simply refusing to believe that the God is an uncaring mean bastard. If God is truly a loving caring God all that God can possibly do is be PLEASED that someone wouldn't believe that he could be so ruthless. So if God has any virtue of love or caring at all, then God would truly necessary have no choice but to open the gates of his heaven and welcome all non-believers of the Bible, who have rejected the Bible as portraying God to be uncaring, unwise, and even hateful. In other words, if you TRULY BELIEVE that God is all-loving and all-righteous, then a belief in the Bible, or that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of God cannot possibly be important to obtaining the love and respect of this God. And so my position is that since the Bible demands otherwise, then that just proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that it cannot be true. Because that very notion is incompatible with a genuinely wise, loving, and caring God.
The very doctrine that you continually support, is simply incompatible with a genuinely loving caring God. If you want to believe in a genuinely loving caring God you need to find a better religious picture of God, IMHO. That's all there is to it. The religious doctrine that you've chosen to give your support to simply doesn't match up with what you'd obviously like God to be like. The bottom line is that we, as non-believers, reject what WE SEE as a hateful religious mythology. And that's our HONEST perception of it. How is it hateful? We are specifically told to LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. Doesn't say love whom you wish to love as thyself, doesn't say love those whom have the same beliefs as thyself, it says LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. Does love equal forcing your ideas down ones throat where it isn't wanted until they accept them? It doesn't exactly fit to me. No beliefs are being forced anywhere. This is a general "religion" chat forum. This is where we come to discuss just that, our "religious" beliefs. If you do not wish to hear about them, do not come here lol simple as that and you don't have to thank me for the suggestion. |
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Cowboy wrote:
No. You either earn the gift of heaven and eternal life or you simply die. From what religion does that come from? Jesus said that there will be wailing and the gnashing of teeth. That's hardly "simply dying". John wrote in revelations (which supposedly ultimately came from Jesus) that suffering in "second death" will be eternal. So it appears to me, once again, that you don't agree with, or even like, the actual religious doctrine that you keep supporting. vailing and the gnashing of teeth is descriptive of hell. And you have the answer right in your post. "second death" will be eternal. DEATH my friend. No torture, no burning, nothing of such. Just flat out DEATH. |
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COWBOY... you say, "not one person will EVER go to hell"? then WHO GOES TO HELL? Nobody. Hell is merely a holding place for Satan waiting for judgement day. That is why Hell is destroyed after judgement, for it is not needed cause Satan is cast into the lake of fire. COOL. NO HELL FOR HUMANS. THE ONLY OTHER CHOICE THAT WAS GIVEN? HEAVEN. SO THEN ALL GO TO HEAVEN. CONCUR. No. You either earn the gift of heaven and eternal life or you simply die. lol... BUT WAIT... your text says no human can EARN HEAVEN. and you said DOING SOMETHING FOR A REWARD WAS NOT OF GOD, SO THEN WHAT IS NOT OF GOD, IS OF THE "DEVIL"... and that we are to not do anything for a REWARD OF BETTER FOR SELF. SO, IF IT DONE FOR GETTING TO "PARADISE", IT IS OF SATAN, OR THE "DEVIL"... AS THERE ARE ONLY TWO CHOICES THAT EXIST. godly and satanic. god or devil. your own book declares no amount of good deeds can EARN HEAVEN, even if it gave all it's money to the poor, and allowed itself to be burned as a scarifice. why not? because all go to heaven. heaven is just the higher next realm up the ladder of evolution. if none can "earn" heaven, which is eteranl life, then of course, it can only be so if all humans go to heaven, and why it was called a GIFT, as a gift denotes NO EARNING REQUIRED. hello... why it used "money" in the anology... because people have the mentality of money. to EARN MONEY. to earn LOVE. and there can be NO CONDITION ON HEAVEN, if HEAVEN IS ONLY GIVEN BY "GOD", OR GOD WOULD HAVE "CONDITIONS", NO NOT UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. each EARN is A CONDITION. NOTHING TO ACCOMPLISH TO AQUIRE IS A GIFT. self serving men TURNED WHAT ALREADY EXISTED FOR ALL "LIFF" INTO A EARN MENTALITY. not god. and you BOUGTH IT HOOK LINE AND SINKER. but you would not, IF YOU HAD ANY UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, AS THE VERY NOTION OPPOSES ALL PRINCIPES OF "UNCONDITIONAL LOVE", SO SUCH LIES WOULD BE EASILY SPOTTED! that which lies, notices not lies. |
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COWBOY... you say, "not one person will EVER go to hell"? then WHO GOES TO HELL? Nobody. Hell is merely a holding place for Satan waiting for judgement day. That is why Hell is destroyed after judgement, for it is not needed cause Satan is cast into the lake of fire. COOL. NO HELL FOR HUMANS. THE ONLY OTHER CHOICE THAT WAS GIVEN? HEAVEN. SO THEN ALL GO TO HEAVEN. CONCUR. No. You either earn the gift of heaven and eternal life or you simply die. lol... BUT WAIT... your text says no human can EARN HEAVEN. and you said DOING SOMETHING FOR A REWARD WAS NOT OF GOD, SO THEN WHAT IS NOT OF GOD, IS OF THE "DEVIL"... and that we are to not do anything for a REWARD OF BETTER FOR SELF. SO, IF IT DONE FOR GETTING TO "PARADISE", IT IS OF SATAN, OR THE "DEVIL"... AS THERE ARE ONLY TWO CHOICES THAT EXIST. godly and satanic. god or devil. your own book declares no amount of good deeds can EARN HEAVEN, even if it gave all it's money to the poor, and allowed itself to be burned as a scarifice. why not? because all go to heaven. heaven is just the higher next realm up the ladder of evolution. if none can "earn" heaven, which is eteranl life, then of course, it can only be so if all humans go to heaven, and why it was called a GIFT, as a gift denotes NO EARNING REQUIRED. hello... why it used "money" in the anology... because people have the mentality of money. to EARN MONEY. to earn LOVE. and there can be NO CONDITION ON HEAVEN, if HEAVEN IS ONLY GIVEN BY "GOD", OR GOD WOULD HAVE "CONDITIONS", NO NOT UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. each EARN is A CONDITION. NOTHING TO ACCOMPLISH TO AQUIRE IS A GIFT. self serving men TURNED WHAT ALREADY EXISTED FOR ALL "LIFF" INTO A EARN MENTALITY. not god. and you BOUGTH IT HOOK LINE AND SINKER. but you would not, IF YOU HAD ANY UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, AS THE VERY NOTION OPPOSES ALL PRINCIPES OF "UNCONDITIONAL LOVE", SO SUCH LIES WOULD BE EASILY SPOTTED! that which lies, notices not lies. I NEVER said no human can earn heaven. Heaven is earned, it's a reward. I said one is not to do things in vein in hopes of bettering oneself with heaven. One is not to do good things trying to butter up God. One is not to do good things just because it will hopefully get him to heaven. One is to do good things out of love. You can not "buy" your way into heaven with your actions. It takes both faith and works. Works alone will not save a man, and faith alone can not save a man. As we're told a man can not live off bread alone. The things one does is to purely be out of love to help the other, not in a greedy manner "scoring points for the other life". |
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in the other post, you said HEAVEN WAS NOT A REWARD.
now you very own words says it is. |
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in the other post, you said HEAVEN WAS NOT A REWARD. now you very own words says it is. I NEVER said it wasn't a reward. That is exactly what Heaven is, it's a reward for our obedience. It can't be bought, it can't be stolen, it can ONLY be EARNED for our obedience to our father. Please QUIT with the lies. |
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your bar of yourself, which is of your words, denys the very words uttered, lol...
that my friend is to lie. lies lies lies lies lies lies, and but more lies, taken and lifted from the "book".... shame shame shame shame shame shame shame. six times the shame of the lier. lol... you wouldn't recognize a lie if it smote you upon the head. the LARGEST LIE EVER PROPOGATED TO HUMANKIND WAS THAT HEAVEN WAS NOT FOR ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. only terrorist creators create beliefs that SOME PEOPLE HAVE A DIFFERENT FATE WHEN THEY HUMANLY DIE. AND THAT THERE MUST BE "OBEDIENCE" TO LIES, TO ATTAIN "HEAVEN FOR ONESELF". HAIL THE FURER! HAIL HITLER! |
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your bar of yourself, which is of your words, denys the very words uttered, lol... that my friend is to lie. lies lies lies lies lies lies, and but more lies, taken and lifted from the "book".... shame shame shame shame shame shame shame. six times the shame of the lier. lol... you wouldn't recognize a lie if it smote you upon the head. the LARGEST LIE EVER PROPOGATED TO HUMANKIND WAS THAT HEAVEN WAS NOT FOR ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. only terrorist creators create beliefs that SOME PEOPLE HAVE A DIFFERENT FATE WHEN THEY HUMANLY DIE. AND THAT THERE MUST BE "OBEDIENCE" TO LIES, TO ATTAIN "HEAVEN FOR ONESELF". HAIL THE FURER! HAIL HITLER! well prove I said it, quote the post I said it in. I did say heaven can't be earned through vein actions. And that actions aren't to be done purely to make browny points in the hopes of heaven, and such as that. But I NEVER said Heaven is NOT earned. Because that is exactly what it is, it is earned through our faith and works in the lord. |
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your bar of yourself, which is of your words, denys the very words uttered, lol... that my friend is to lie. lies lies lies lies lies lies, and but more lies, taken and lifted from the "book".... shame shame shame shame shame shame shame. six times the shame of the lier. lol... you wouldn't recognize a lie if it smote you upon the head. the LARGEST LIE EVER PROPOGATED TO HUMANKIND WAS THAT HEAVEN WAS NOT FOR ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. only terrorist creators create beliefs that SOME PEOPLE HAVE A DIFFERENT FATE WHEN THEY HUMANLY DIE. AND THAT THERE MUST BE "OBEDIENCE" TO LIES, TO ATTAIN "HEAVEN FOR ONESELF". HAIL THE FURER! HAIL HITLER! well prove I said it, quote the post I said it in. I did say heaven can't be earned through vein actions. And that actions aren't to be done purely to make browny points in the hopes of heaven, and such as that. But I NEVER said Heaven is NOT earned. Because that is exactly what it is, it is earned through our faith and works in the lord. I continuously say that Heaven is a gift earned through obedience to the law. A gift offered by our father for our obedience. |
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your bar of yourself, which is of your words, denys the very words uttered, lol... that my friend is to lie. lies lies lies lies lies lies, and but more lies, taken and lifted from the "book".... shame shame shame shame shame shame shame. six times the shame of the lier. lol... you wouldn't recognize a lie if it smote you upon the head. the LARGEST LIE EVER PROPOGATED TO HUMANKIND WAS THAT HEAVEN WAS NOT FOR ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. only terrorist creators create beliefs that SOME PEOPLE HAVE A DIFFERENT FATE WHEN THEY HUMANLY DIE. AND THAT THERE MUST BE "OBEDIENCE" TO LIES, TO ATTAIN "HEAVEN FOR ONESELF". HAIL THE FURER! HAIL HITLER! well prove I said it, quote the post I said it in. I did say heaven can't be earned through vein actions. And that actions aren't to be done purely to make browny points in the hopes of heaven, and such as that. But I NEVER said Heaven is NOT earned. Because that is exactly what it is, it is earned through our faith and works in the lord. I continuously say that Heaven is a gift earned through obedience to the law. A gift offered by our father for our obedience. PROVE IT? THE BURDEN OF CONSISTENCY IS UPON THE ONE IN QUESTION, WHICH IS YOU! but, to help you, read the last type below, WHICH ARE YOUR WORDS. QUOTE: Cowboy wrote: Everything is under faith is what I was getting at. Religion, Science, history, EVERYTHING. NOTHING can be proven to be exact 100% concrete fact. It's all done through faith. _____________________________________________________________ Well, if you truly believe this then all religions and spiritual beliefs are on equal footing, even atheism. Therefore it's absurd for you to claim that your religion is "truth" whilst everyone else's is just a dream. Everyone else's spiritual beliefs are every bit as valid as yours. Even the views of an atheist. And therefore my belief that Jesus was a Jewish Buddhist that was an unfortunate victim of a bad situation holds as much merit as anything else. _________________________________________________________ Your reward will be in what you put your faith into. NOTICE THE WORD "REWARD ABOVE"... lol.... come one cowboy... take some time to find how your words and belief ARE INCONSISTENT, NOT JUST TO HOW THEY ARE, OR YOU SHALL BUT FIND WHAT YOU WISH TO FIND, WHICH IS THE PAIN OF HELL OF HUMAN EXISTENCE. |
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what does religion mean to you ?.. and do you think we still need religions ?..if so why ? Shalom Senerity and peace with compassion and love. religion is relative. we do not need religion as we see it. Just a listening ear to our fears and joy...Blessings...Miles |
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what does religion mean to you ?.. and do you think we still need religions ?..if so why ? Shalom Senerity and peace with compassion and love. religion is relative. we do not need religion as we see it. Just a listening ear to our fears and joy...Blessings...Miles funny you should say that, since fear of god is what made man surmize what god wanted, which created religions. so, if one did as you say, religion as we know it would be created, but you say as well, we do not need religions? and it would seem most unbenefical to listen to one's fears regarding it's own SELF INTEREST, which again, created man seking a truth or knowing of god for itself. it twas said perfect love cast out FEAR, so how or could one listen to FEARS,if it knew god? for if one knows "god", it is not supposed to have any fears? |
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your bar of yourself, which is of your words, denys the very words uttered, lol... that my friend is to lie. lies lies lies lies lies lies, and but more lies, taken and lifted from the "book".... shame shame shame shame shame shame shame. six times the shame of the lier. lol... you wouldn't recognize a lie if it smote you upon the head. the LARGEST LIE EVER PROPOGATED TO HUMANKIND WAS THAT HEAVEN WAS NOT FOR ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. ALL. only terrorist creators create beliefs that SOME PEOPLE HAVE A DIFFERENT FATE WHEN THEY HUMANLY DIE. AND THAT THERE MUST BE "OBEDIENCE" TO LIES, TO ATTAIN "HEAVEN FOR ONESELF". HAIL THE FURER! HAIL HITLER! well prove I said it, quote the post I said it in. I did say heaven can't be earned through vein actions. And that actions aren't to be done purely to make browny points in the hopes of heaven, and such as that. But I NEVER said Heaven is NOT earned. Because that is exactly what it is, it is earned through our faith and works in the lord. I continuously say that Heaven is a gift earned through obedience to the law. A gift offered by our father for our obedience. PROVE IT? THE BURDEN OF CONSISTENCY IS UPON THE ONE IN QUESTION, WHICH IS YOU! but, to help you, read the last type below, WHICH ARE YOUR WORDS. QUOTE: Cowboy wrote: Everything is under faith is what I was getting at. Religion, Science, history, EVERYTHING. NOTHING can be proven to be exact 100% concrete fact. It's all done through faith. _____________________________________________________________ Well, if you truly believe this then all religions and spiritual beliefs are on equal footing, even atheism. Therefore it's absurd for you to claim that your religion is "truth" whilst everyone else's is just a dream. Everyone else's spiritual beliefs are every bit as valid as yours. Even the views of an atheist. And therefore my belief that Jesus was a Jewish Buddhist that was an unfortunate victim of a bad situation holds as much merit as anything else. _________________________________________________________ Your reward will be in what you put your faith into. NOTICE THE WORD "REWARD ABOVE"... lol.... come one cowboy... take some time to find how your words and belief ARE INCONSISTENT, NOT JUST TO HOW THEY ARE, OR YOU SHALL BUT FIND WHAT YOU WISH TO FIND, WHICH IS THE PAIN OF HELL OF HUMAN EXISTENCE. They are not inconsistent. Your rewards will be in what you put your faith into. You put your faith into God, your rewards will be from God. You put your faith into the tooth fairy, your rewards will be from the tooth fairy. But that isn't the centred point of why we worship God, that isn't the main reasoning on why we serve God. We serve out of obedience, out of love for our father. Not for the rewards. |
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what does religion mean to you ?.. and do you think we still need religions ?..if so why ? Shalom Senerity and peace with compassion and love. religion is relative. we do not need religion as we see it. Just a listening ear to our fears and joy...Blessings...Miles funny you should say that, since fear of god is what made man surmize what god wanted, which created religions. so, if one did as you say, religion as we know it would be created, but you say as well, we do not need religions? and it would seem most unbenefical to listen to one's fears regarding it's own SELF INTEREST, which again, created man seking a truth or knowing of god for itself. it twas said perfect love cast out FEAR, so how or could one listen to FEARS,if it knew god? for if one knows "god", it is not supposed to have any fears? Who needs fear? What is there to fear? Do you fear death? Why would you fear such a thing? There is NOTHING in this world to fear. Nor do we fear God. We love God and are obedient to our father. It's not out of fear, it's out of love and compassion. |
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damn, you sure are stuck on reward, for now you mention it again, lol...
even though you say, DO NOTHING FOR A REWARD? YOUR WORDS... "YOUR REWARD SHALL BE GIVEN YOU BASED UPON WHAT ONE PUTS IT FAITH IN".... so, a REWARD IS ATTAINED FOR SELF, BY HAVING "FATIH", IN WHAT IT BELIEVES SHALL RETURN "REWARD"... thats still reward for self, wanting and finding a "faith", the looks like it shall RETURN TO SELF A REWARD. a FINE INVESTMENT FOR SELF. no different than a wall street banker, INVESTING WITH "FAITH", IN WHAT HE/SHE THINKS WILL GIVE "GOOD RETURN OR REWARD FOR SELF"... ALL SELF MOTIVE FOR SELF REWARD. SELF AGENDA. self interest. and as such, can have no BASIS OF TRUTH IN ANY "UNCONDITIONAL LOVE", SO "NOT OF GOD" PER THE BOOK. |
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damn, you sure are stuck on reward, for now you mention it again, lol... even though you say, DO NOTHING FOR A REWARD? YOUR WORDS... "YOUR REWARD SHALL BE GIVEN YOU BASED UPON WHAT ONE PUTS IT FAITH IN".... so, a REWARD IS ATTAINED FOR SELF, BY HAVING "FATIH", IN WHAT IT BELIEVES SHALL RETURN "REWARD"... thats still reward for self, wanting and finding a "faith", the looks like it shall RETURN TO SELF A REWARD. a FINE INVESTMENT FOR SELF. no different than a wall street banker, INVESTING WITH "FAITH", IN WHAT HE/SHE THINKS WILL GIVE "GOOD RETURN OR REWARD FOR SELF"... ALL SELF MOTIVE FOR SELF REWARD. SELF AGENDA. self interest. and as such, can have no BASIS OF TRUTH IN ANY "UNCONDITIONAL LOVE", SO "NOT OF GOD" PER THE BOOK. You're truly stuck on this reward thing. It is not reward for oneself. Why do you think so selfishly? It's not about me. It's about you, and hoping to open your eyes so that you can enjoy the pearly gates of heaven when Jesus says "God on in David son, I'm very well pleased". I just wish to be obedient for our father, regardless of the reward. The reward could be a cardboard box on the corner of main street in constant rain and I would still do as the same. IT'S NOT FOR THE REWARD. It's for obeying our father. |
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Cowboy wrote:
Who needs fear? What is there to fear? Do you fear death? Why would you fear such a thing? There is NOTHING in this world to fear. Nor do we fear God. We love God and are obedient to our father. It's not out of fear, it's out of love and compassion. Christian evangelists need fear. They need fear in order to make the concept of a "Savior" make sense. After all, if there is nothing to fear, then why would there be a need to be "saved"? Saved from what? Death? You apparently fear death so much that you are willing to spend all your time preaching to people how they might be able to avoid it. |
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