well, so i guess you ain't gonna say aloud all humans are children of god, therefore all their words equal.

why of course not.

since if such were so, why your whole self made self attaining dogma would crumble, and since your whole life is based upon it, then that would crumble...

oh, but wait, it already has.

and that is why they run to god.

and take and accept their beliefs.

cause they failed.

cause they lost.

and their mind was lost, from staring at their own self interest so hard, and then they got "jesus"...

now, just a new goal of self interest, exchanged for the old.

and they still can't see, it twas only ever about caring for other's, so why do they need a book, if it is only about caring for others, which is unconditional love for others...

and they wish no heaven for themself.

hum...

only one reason.

the book gives them their self confidence.

the book gives them their illusions of self as supreme.

the book provides many nice words about themself.

since they leave off using any of the "bad" words of the book TO DESCRIBE THEMSELF.

lol...

they ran to a book, to find good for themself, and boy good for themself did they find.

for if they ran to the book, to find out how themself was a shitz, they would find that not just in their book, but in all the words of psychology as well, and philosophy as well, and FROM THE WORDS OF OTHERS.

but, the book gives them a way to shield themself, from all accusations as true.

for indeed, they day they got "saved", from being lost, was the day they heard even less any negative asseration about themself as true....

and so they indeed are the worst of worst bigots, for they will not admit they are a bigot, nor that they peer down on many, and think other's are blind, and try to instruct them as to how to spend their one precious life on earth.


the very essence of what religion propogates.

nothing but self delusions of self grandeaur as self as supreme as SPEAKING FOR GOD ITSELF.

only a pea brain would deem itself speaks for another human, let alone for god.

but hail the cowboy.

i bow three times just now for you my god cowboy.

No, my friend we don't come to God just in times of need. We don't come to ask, then leave him in the closet. We live for the lord and uplift him in everything we do to glorify his name throughout the world. It's not through fear or failures. It is through love. It has nothing to do with the bible. Worshipping God isn't through the bible. Again the bible is merely history of things that happened in the past, a few prophesies for the future, and a few laws we are to abide by. God is NOT IN THE BIBLE, CAN NOT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE. God can only be found with sincere search with your heart.



No, why are you stuck on it being for gaining for oneself? It is not about the bettering of oneself, not for gaining of gold, not for gaining of virgins, not for the gaining of anything tangible. It is merely to be obedient to our father showing him our love and thankfulness for our life and the opportunity to return home one day to praise him and love him for eternity.

No one is instructing you on how to spend your precious life. The bible does not do this. It only gives instructions on how to do that what you wish. If you wish to spend your time of life being a rockstar go for it. Do it in a mannerly way, a respectable way, a moral way. Don't use foul words which generates hate. But nevertheless you can be a rockstar. And so on and so forth with anything you wish to do with your life, not specifically a rockstar. That is all our father has told us to do.

lol...

are all CHILDREN OF GOD?

If one is born again yes. Born again refers to when you have accepted Jesus as lord and saviour and allowed the holy spirit to dwell inside your heart.

After your last post I have absolutely no respect for you at all Cowboy.

You judged me to be a liar and you judged me to be refusing God.

You accuse me of the most hateful things. You pass moral judgment on me, and you judge my relationship with God.

I have no need for anyone as hateful and as jugemntal as you in my life.

I have never judged you in these ways.

I agree with David Ben:


Clearly you think you are God. You don't hesitate to judge others and their relationship with God in an instant.

I see no reason to converse with such a hateful judgmental person.

You don't represent God. And you are quick to judge others.

I try to speak to the issue of the religions and just keep the topics about the religions themselves.

But you ACCUSE ME of lying and refusing God.

That's a personal accusation and judgment against me and has nothing to do with the religions themselves.

If I tell you that I can't believe in a religion because it's absurd, then that what I mean.

It's not up to you to call me a liar.

I also agree with Dragoness:


There is no love in calling people liars and accusing them of rejecting a God when they tell you that they can't possibly believe in a particular mythology.

That's not love Cowboy, that's hate.

If someone tells you that they can't believe in something, don't be calling them a liar.

I can't believe in Christianity Cowboy.

It's NOT an option.

so, all are only child gods BY CONDITION.

THAT YOU AS GOD HAVE DEFINED.

happy trails in hell dude.

"love they neighor as thyself" is not necessarily a good thing.

Some people are entirely too hard on themselves to the point of being neurotic, always seeing their own faults reflected in others.

Others people think only of themselves, so they look at their neighbor with skepticism, always ready to withdraw their love at the slightest hint that their neighbor is being selfish and thining only of himself.

And some people simply adore themselves to the point that they can do no wrong so that any bad outcome that stems from their behavior must be due to external forces. Their neighborly requires that you always see things their way.

There are also those who hold little love of self, and have only admiration to give.

Somewhere in all those others there are people who love themselves only when they are trying to be obedient to the ambiguous whims of a creator. When they love their neighbor as they would the self, they expect the same kind of obedience.

NO THANKS - love me becasue I have potential, love me because we share the human condition, love me becasue every person needs love - but don't love me like you love yourself, love me to the extent that you can freely extend your love to me and expect nothing in return.

It would be rare indeed to find individuals who offer that kind of love to God but then pray to that God to fulfill their needs.

So it may not hateful to 'love they neighbor as thyself' but it is certainly not truthful.

I judged no one. I called no one a liar, I did not say anyone was not going to heaven, I made no judgement at all. You're just assuming, for those words did not come from me.

It's not a "condition". That is why it's called "born again". If you want to call it a condition I guess go for it. Your mom is your mom because she gave birth to you, your dad is your dad because he helped in the conception. So if you wish to say there is a "condition" go for it. But you are born of your parents, born of the flesh. That is why it's called being born again, because you are crucified and rise again a new person eg., being born AGAIN.

You mean like being a joyous witness to the vows of love and commitment that two people make to each other, their families and their communities, as they join together in marriage, whether it be a same-sex or heterosexual union.

Remember, of all those who join together in marriage, all are sinners but it is love that unites them all, not God whose conditional love is passed down to those who would love God's conditions.

I told that I cannot believe in the biblical stories.

You replied:



That's calling me a liar Cowboy. And it's also an accusation that I'm simply "refusing" to believe in this picture of God.

That's a judgment my friend. You are judging me to be 'refusing' to believe in your religion and claiming that I can if I actually wanted to.

That's calling a liar, because in the post you were responding to I made it crystal clear that believing in the biblical picture of God is NOT and option for me. I made it clear that the picture does not represent 'wise choices' by the God, and God is supposed to be "all-wise". Therefore the religion can't be true. It necessarily must be false, and thus I cannot believe it, because it's clearly false.

I can't choose to simply believe in something that I can clearly see is FALSE.

There is nothing wise about a supposedly all-wise, all-powerful God needing to have his supposedly innocent son nailed to a pole to pay for the sins of mankind and having this be the ONLY way to obtain the love of this God.

There is NOTHING "wise" about that scenario at all, IMHO.

NOTHING.

Especially if this God is supposed to be "all-powerful" and with God all things are possible. That means that God could have done infinitely many other things rather than this crude crucifixion which would clearly TURN a lot of LOVING people OFF to this God, which would NOT be WISE.

Do you see what I'm saying?

This religion cannot be true, from my perspective.

I cannot just ignore these obvious facts and 'pretend' to believe in this religion. The religion is utterly absurd, IMHO, and therefore it is totally unbelievable.

I cannot believe that this religion is true as the Christians hold it out to be. I cannot believe that any God had anything to do with a crucifixion as the way to attain his LOVE and FORGIVENESS.

So I cannot believe in Christianity as it stands.

There is no choice about it.

Christianity is an unworkable religion for me. I don't have a choice to accept or reject it. It's simply 'absurd', IMHO.

Can you comprehend that?

It's no lie. You specifically stated that you refuse to believe in the "hearsay rumours" of the bible. You then do not believe that which is in the bible, you then do not believe and or follow the teachings of our father. I made no judgement, you said it yourself. I'm only informing you of what you have prviously said cause you obviously have forgot.

And who would stand in the final judgement, after having loved God with all his or her heart and following His commandments as best s/he could, only to accept the gift and then give it to another who might not have earned it?

Or are there conditions for accepting the gift as well?

It doesn't touch this specific area, but I presume if you wanted to you possibly could. I do know you could give it up if you wished, not to sure on the giving it to someone else though.

I don't care how confused you are.

I'm telling you right now that I cannot believe that an all-wise God would be associated with a bloody crucifixion as the only way to attain his love.

This has nothing to do with the fact that I also believe that these entire stories are nothing more than hearsay rumors. Of course they must be! Because they can't possible be true.

That's totally irrelevant to what I'm telling you now.

I'm telling you now that having someone nailed to a pole is unwise, Cowboy.

Period.

And that is your choice. It wasn't our father that had Jesus put on that cross, it was you and I. Jesus sacrificed himself out of love for the remission of your sins. The gift is there ready for you to reach out and grab it.

I'm not confused one bit. God didn't have Jesus nailed to a pole. Jesus sacrificed his life giving us the new covenant between man and God so YOU could achieve eternal life and rejoice with our father for eternity in the paradise of heaven.

Obviously you are unable to comprehend any concept beyond your obsession with a God who uses blood sacrifices as his expression of love.

I'm sorry to hear that you aren't capable of grasping anything beyond that.

My deepest sympathies.

It is not just God that accepts such a thing, so you can stop trying to make our father look bad. Are people's family not given rewards and honours for their spouses servitude in the military? And for giving their life for their country? That is all Jesus did, he gave his life for you so that you could have eternal life and not be killed by Satan.