Topic: what does religion mean to you ?.. and
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Tue 12/21/10 03:54 PM

Cowboy wrote:

Who needs fear? What is there to fear? Do you fear death? Why would you fear such a thing? There is NOTHING in this world to fear. Nor do we fear God. We love God and are obedient to our father. It's not out of fear, it's out of love and compassion.


Christian evangelists need fear.

They need fear in order to make the concept of a "Savior" make sense.

After all, if there is nothing to fear, then why would there be a need to be "saved"? Saved from what? Death?

You apparently fear death so much that you are willing to spend all your time preaching to people how they might be able to avoid it.





I do no fear death, never have. Fear isn't what opened my eyes. The blessings from our father and the love he shows is what opened my eyes. I spend all my time spreading the word out of love, not fear my friend.

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Tue 12/21/10 03:55 PM


Cowboy wrote:

Who needs fear? What is there to fear? Do you fear death? Why would you fear such a thing? There is NOTHING in this world to fear. Nor do we fear God. We love God and are obedient to our father. It's not out of fear, it's out of love and compassion.


Christian evangelists need fear.

They need fear in order to make the concept of a "Savior" make sense.

After all, if there is nothing to fear, then why would there be a need to be "saved"? Saved from what? Death?

You apparently fear death so much that you are willing to spend all your time preaching to people how they might be able to avoid it.





I do no fear death, never have. Fear isn't what opened my eyes. The blessings from our father and the love he shows is what opened my eyes. I spend all my time spreading the word out of love, not fear my friend.


I tell people of the love our father has for them. I do not try to "scare" anyone into believing. I do not say "you will burn in hell for believing as such" or anything of such. I'm merely here to open people's eyes to the love of our father. To the compassion he holds for you. Nothing about fear or anything.

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Tue 12/21/10 04:07 PM
Edited by Abracadabra on Tue 12/21/10 04:07 PM
Cowboy wrote:

I tell people of the love our father has for them. I do not try to "scare" anyone into believing. I do not say "you will burn in hell for believing as such" or anything of such. I'm merely here to open people's eyes to the love of our father. To the compassion he holds for you. Nothing about fear or anything.


You don't need to tell me that God loves me Cowboy, I already know She loves me.

In fact, if you suggest that She might not love me, or that She might not be totally accepting of me, then I would say that you are judging me, and my relationship with God, and that you are preaching hatred toward me, and not love at all.

So which is it Cowboy?

Do you acknowledge my loving relationship with God, or do you pass judgment on my loving relationship with God?



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Tue 12/21/10 04:09 PM

Cowboy wrote:

I tell people of the love our father has for them. I do not try to "scare" anyone into believing. I do not say "you will burn in hell for believing as such" or anything of such. I'm merely here to open people's eyes to the love of our father. To the compassion he holds for you. Nothing about fear or anything.


You don't need to tell me that God loves me Cowboy, I already know She loves me.

In fact, if you suggest that She might not love me, or that She might not be totally accepting of me, then I would say that you are judging me, and my relationship with God, and that you are preaching hatred toward me, and not love at all.

So which is it Cowboy?

Do you acknowledge my loving relationship with God, or do you pass judgment on my loving relationship with God?





No, I know our father loves you. Our father loves all.

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Tue 12/21/10 04:12 PM
Cowboy wrote:

No, I know our father loves you. Our father loves all.


Good, then there's nothing to be 'saved' from. flowerforyou


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Tue 12/21/10 04:15 PM



Cowboy wrote:

Who needs fear? What is there to fear? Do you fear death? Why would you fear such a thing? There is NOTHING in this world to fear. Nor do we fear God. We love God and are obedient to our father. It's not out of fear, it's out of love and compassion.


Christian evangelists need fear.

They need fear in order to make the concept of a "Savior" make sense.

After all, if there is nothing to fear, then why would there be a need to be "saved"? Saved from what? Death?

You apparently fear death so much that you are willing to spend all your time preaching to people how they might be able to avoid it.





I do no fear death, never have. Fear isn't what opened my eyes. The blessings from our father and the love he shows is what opened my eyes. I spend all my time spreading the word out of love, not fear my friend.


I tell people of the love our father has for them. I do not try to "scare" anyone into believing. I do not say "you will burn in hell for believing as such" or anything of such. I'm merely here to open people's eyes to the love of our father. To the compassion he holds for you. Nothing about fear or anything.


to tell anyone that SHALL NOT EXIST ever again, IF THEY DIE, AND DO NOT HEED "YOUR WORDS", ah, pretty sure is FEAR.

lol...

AND TO SAY, "GOD" SAYS SUCH, WELL, only a self delusional person could ever say that ANYTHING that thinks their might be a god, would not be AFRAID BY SUCH...

so, again, more lies, to say such can or does or could not enduce fear.

and again, self as HERE TO OPEN PEOPLES EYE'S....

oh come now dear boy...

SHALL WE HAVE TO SAY THIS AGAIN...

lol....

that would and could only ever be spoken UNLESS SELF DEEMED IT'S "OWN EYES" AS MO' OF GOD.

making SELF AS GOD.

ooh...

i hear that was the 'sin' of satan.

to think of itself as EQUAL to god.

hum...

yep, that twould mean such beliefs came from the father called satan.

if the book is to be believed.

and one wishes to open the eyes of others unto "gods" compassion, than it would seem a human would do this by itself showing "unconditional compassion"...




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Tue 12/21/10 04:18 PM



what does religion mean to you ?.. and do you think we still need religions ?..if so why ?


Shalom
Senerity and peace with compassion and love. religion is relative. we do not need religion as we see it. Just a listening ear to our fears and joy...Blessings...Miles


funny you should say that, since fear of god is what made man surmize what god wanted, which created religions.

so, if one did as you say, religion as we know it would be created, but you say as well, we do not need religions?

and it would seem most unbenefical to listen to one's fears regarding it's own SELF INTEREST, which again, created man seking a truth or knowing of god for itself.

it twas said perfect love cast out FEAR, so how or could one listen to FEARS,if it knew god?

for if one knows "god", it is not supposed to have any fears?







My people are destroyed for lack of wisdom.

Those who fear Yahweh have a good understanding.

When you understand that your actions are accounted for in this world and the world to come.

Then the wisdom of who you are verses your brother comes into play.

Caring and compassion and the love of Yahweh work hand in hand.

Sure thier are rewards like i have seen u say. But Yahweh looks for a willing heart. He does not accept even a sacrafice done out of resentment.

Only a willing sacrafice does he accept and Bless.

Yahweh is all wisdom so knwoing he is all Powerful then u respect that understand that and you are not destroyed for wisdom is in you.. Blessings..Miles

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Tue 12/21/10 04:20 PM
David Ben wrote:

making SELF AS GOD.

ooh...

i hear that was the 'sin' of satan.

to think of itself as EQUAL to god.


Truly. Going around judging the relationship that other people have with God can only be the work of Satan or someone akin to his likeness.


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Tue 12/21/10 04:21 PM




what does religion mean to you ?.. and do you think we still need religions ?..if so why ?


Shalom
Senerity and peace with compassion and love. religion is relative. we do not need religion as we see it. Just a listening ear to our fears and joy...Blessings...Miles


funny you should say that, since fear of god is what made man surmize what god wanted, which created religions.

so, if one did as you say, religion as we know it would be created, but you say as well, we do not need religions?

and it would seem most unbenefical to listen to one's fears regarding it's own SELF INTEREST, which again, created man seking a truth or knowing of god for itself.

it twas said perfect love cast out FEAR, so how or could one listen to FEARS,if it knew god?

for if one knows "god", it is not supposed to have any fears?







My people are destroyed for lack of wisdom.

Those who fear Yahweh have a good understanding.

When you understand that your actions are accounted for in this world and the world to come.

Then the wisdom of who you are verses your brother comes into play.

Caring and compassion and the love of Yahweh work hand in hand.

Sure thier are rewards like i have seen u say. But Yahweh looks for a willing heart. He does not accept even a sacrafice done out of resentment.

Only a willing sacrafice does he accept and Bless.

Yahweh is all wisdom so knwoing he is all Powerful then u respect that understand that and you are not destroyed for wisdom is in you.. Blessings..Miles


amen, it's where your heart and intentions lay. If your heart and intentions are not in the love of God they are in vein, they are for the bettering of oneself. It's about where your heart truly is.

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Tue 12/21/10 04:24 PM

what does religion mean to you ?.. and do you think we still need religions ?..if so why ?


Religion gave man answers to unanswerable questions to ease his mind through the ages and it is used to control masses of people.

To me religion is not needed unless a person is weak minded and is in need of the constant guilt ridden control and/or a method to feel superior to others. ( I am speaking of the top two religions here)

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Tue 12/21/10 04:33 PM
if one's heart is based in a religion, than a religion is one's most value, and therefore it's heart, which would indicate one's heart was in or about loveing one's neighbor as itself, nor in loving it's enemies as oneself, for no such thing is possible if one serve a belief as more important than people.

why the very serving of a belief or religion procludes any embracing of another human mind as having equal intellect as self, for the belief served as proof of self's worth and good and insight and intellect, have no choice but deem one's own brain as superior to anothers, therefore one's own life as more valuable, and one's insight as more valuable...

so, more lies and lies and lies, by beliefs claiming the have and practice no condition love, but, the conditon of the very belief is grand good for ONESELF, only if one serves the belief.

pure self agenda to the highest deree, since this is agenda purported to be emrbaced by the very god of the heavens itself.

lol...

so, self greed, and self attainment, and self procurment much harder to convince to release one's hands from, but make no mistake, just as the little monkey, whom reaches for shiney things of good for itself, gets it's hand stuck in the jar, so do these get their brains stuck in delusions of self grandeaur, thinking their own brains more wise than all in the entire world.

unsanity.

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Tue 12/21/10 04:36 PM


what does religion mean to you ?.. and do you think we still need religions ?..if so why ?


Religion gave man answers to unanswerable questions to ease his mind through the ages and it is used to control masses of people.

To me religion is not needed unless a person is weak minded and is in need of the constant guilt ridden control and/or a method to feel superior to others. ( I am speaking of the top two religions here)


I agree, especially concerning the Abrahamic religions with their heathen-hating jealous godhead that is constantly being used to belittle others, and spread judgmental hatred against all those who do not worship the jealous God of these religion.

These religions are ego-based, for sure. There's no question about it. That's their underlying premise. Their God is a jealous ego who hates heathens, where a heathen is simply defined as anyone who refuses to climb on board the religion and support it's bigotry against 'heathens'. whoa

These religions give people permission to hate non-believers in the name of God and to continually insult them and belittle their religious beliefs whilst claiming to be "Righteous Servants of God".

And that's why we see suicide bombers, and people blowing up abortion clinics, and things like that, in the name of these jealous Gods. These people will do anything to support their jealous Gods.

They are dangerous religions.

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Tue 12/21/10 04:41 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Tue 12/21/10 04:42 PM

if one's heart is based in a religion, than a religion is one's most value, and therefore it's heart, which would indicate one's heart was in or about loveing one's neighbor as itself, nor in loving it's enemies as oneself, for no such thing is possible if one serve a belief as more important than people.

why the very serving of a belief or religion procludes any embracing of another human mind as having equal intellect as self, for the belief served as proof of self's worth and good and insight and intellect, have no choice but deem one's own brain as superior to anothers, therefore one's own life as more valuable, and one's insight as more valuable...

so, more lies and lies and lies, by beliefs claiming the have and practice no condition love, but, the conditon of the very belief is grand good for ONESELF, only if one serves the belief.

pure self agenda to the highest deree, since this is agenda purported to be emrbaced by the very god of the heavens itself.

lol...

so, self greed, and self attainment, and self procurment much harder to convince to release one's hands from, but make no mistake, just as the little monkey, whom reaches for shiney things of good for itself, gets it's hand stuck in the jar, so do these get their brains stuck in delusions of self grandeaur, thinking their own brains more wise than all in the entire world.

unsanity.



why the very serving of a belief or religion procludes any embracing of another human mind as having equal intellect as self, for the belief served as proof of self's worth and good and insight and intellect, have no choice but deem one's own brain as superior to anothers, therefore one's own life as more valuable, and one's insight as more valuable


Not true. We are all equal. No one is smarter, more intelligent or greater then the other. No one is worth more then the other. We all sin and fall short of the glory of God. All i'm here to do is give knowledge of how to obtain forgiveness for such transgressions. Not from my own knowledge or on my own behalf, but from our father and what he has told us all and for your behalf.


so, self greed, and self attainment, and self procurment much harder to convince to release one's hands from, but make no mistake, just as the little monkey, whom reaches for shiney things of good for itself, gets it's hand stuck in the jar, so do these get their brains stuck in delusions of self grandeaur, thinking their own brains more wise than all in the entire world.


No one is more wise, no one is greater. Why do you put it as if it were a competition? There's not competition, no greater then thou, nothing of such. We are all worthless rags not deserving of the grace of God. God is offering his love nevertheless though, all you have to do is reach out and grab onto the gift which God sets out before us. And we do not serve for the bettering of oneself. We serve out of the bettering of the world. So not for self greed, self attainment, or self procurment. We do it out of love and obedience to our father.

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Tue 12/21/10 04:45 PM



what does religion mean to you ?.. and do you think we still need religions ?..if so why ?


Religion gave man answers to unanswerable questions to ease his mind through the ages and it is used to control masses of people.

To me religion is not needed unless a person is weak minded and is in need of the constant guilt ridden control and/or a method to feel superior to others. ( I am speaking of the top two religions here)


I agree, especially concerning the Abrahamic religions with their heathen-hating jealous godhead that is constantly being used to belittle others, and spread judgmental hatred against all those who do not worship the jealous God of these religion.

These religions are ego-based, for sure. There's no question about it. That's their underlying premise. Their God is a jealous ego who hates heathens, where a heathen is simply defined as anyone who refuses to climb on board the religion and support it's bigotry against 'heathens'. whoa

These religions give people permission to hate non-believers in the name of God and to continually insult them and belittle their religious beliefs whilst claiming to be "Righteous Servants of God".

And that's why we see suicide bombers, and people blowing up abortion clinics, and things like that, in the name of these jealous Gods. These people will do anything to support their jealous Gods.

They are dangerous religions.


No it does not give us permission to hate anyone, nor do we. God has instructed us to "love thy neighbour as thyself". Doesn't say "love those of the same belief as thyself" no, says love thy neighbour as thyself. And no insulting or belittling. Again we are to love all, this can not be done if insulting or belittling is done.

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Tue 12/21/10 04:47 PM



what does religion mean to you ?.. and do you think we still need religions ?..if so why ?


Religion gave man answers to unanswerable questions to ease his mind through the ages and it is used to control masses of people.

To me religion is not needed unless a person is weak minded and is in need of the constant guilt ridden control and/or a method to feel superior to others. ( I am speaking of the top two religions here)


I agree, especially concerning the Abrahamic religions with their heathen-hating jealous godhead that is constantly being used to belittle others, and spread judgmental hatred against all those who do not worship the jealous God of these religion.

These religions are ego-based, for sure. There's no question about it. That's their underlying premise. Their God is a jealous ego who hates heathens, where a heathen is simply defined as anyone who refuses to climb on board the religion and support it's bigotry against 'heathens'. whoa

These religions give people permission to hate non-believers in the name of God and to continually insult them and belittle their religious beliefs whilst claiming to be "Righteous Servants of God".

And that's why we see suicide bombers, and people blowing up abortion clinics, and things like that, in the name of these jealous Gods. These people will do anything to support their jealous Gods.

They are dangerous religions.


Agreed. A religion that conveys that proving your worth to a jealous hatefilled godhead is more important than your life itself is definitely dangerous to all those who are not included in that person's delusion.

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Tue 12/21/10 04:49 PM




what does religion mean to you ?.. and do you think we still need religions ?..if so why ?


Religion gave man answers to unanswerable questions to ease his mind through the ages and it is used to control masses of people.

To me religion is not needed unless a person is weak minded and is in need of the constant guilt ridden control and/or a method to feel superior to others. ( I am speaking of the top two religions here)


I agree, especially concerning the Abrahamic religions with their heathen-hating jealous godhead that is constantly being used to belittle others, and spread judgmental hatred against all those who do not worship the jealous God of these religion.

These religions are ego-based, for sure. There's no question about it. That's their underlying premise. Their God is a jealous ego who hates heathens, where a heathen is simply defined as anyone who refuses to climb on board the religion and support it's bigotry against 'heathens'. whoa

These religions give people permission to hate non-believers in the name of God and to continually insult them and belittle their religious beliefs whilst claiming to be "Righteous Servants of God".

And that's why we see suicide bombers, and people blowing up abortion clinics, and things like that, in the name of these jealous Gods. These people will do anything to support their jealous Gods.

They are dangerous religions.


Agreed. A religion that conveys that proving your worth to a jealous hatefilled godhead is more important than your life itself is definitely dangerous to all those who are not included in that person's delusion.

Also the respect for humans in general and living things is not taught by this.

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Tue 12/21/10 04:49 PM


what does religion mean to you ?.. and do you think we still need religions ?..if so why ?


Religion gave man answers to unanswerable questions to ease his mind through the ages and it is used to control masses of people.

To me religion is not needed unless a person is weak minded and is in need of the constant guilt ridden control and/or a method to feel superior to others. ( I am speaking of the top two religions here)


Meekness and weakness are 2 different things. Believing with all your heart ,mind and soul takes courage.

No prophet of Yahweh ever wanted the job because it was so powerfull they were humbled .. they would think why me how can i tell the people.. who am I?

Most people on the earth were unbelievers throughout time. What answers were they looking for?


To be weak minded is to follow the attempts of man to explain the unexplained. Faith takes courage.


The Holy Scriptures are life everlasting.

If our forefathers were weak and without faith when coming to a new land what is really the only thing that survived the onslaught of war and sickness?

It is the Holy Scriptures that was so important a book of lifes everlasting evolution to be even where we are today.

Its still the #1 book ever read because it has True Meaning in it.

Things have changed troughout the ages but as Yahshua said it was not so in the beginning because the Holy Scriptures are Spirit. The Mind of Yahweh written to his children.

The Spirit is willing to accept all. All you have to do is see you can "not do it my WAY" But his way a instruction book for life True Shalom and Happiness for all his creation.

Tell a scientist if he adheres to a book then his work is useless or any field for that matter for guidence.. True weakness is saying u r all u need.. foolishness sums it up. when you are a child you think as a child and if you refuse correction. Because like most teenagers you know it all. But the truth is the more we learn the more we see we really are not that smart.. Wisdom sets in and the Ways of our forefathers were not so silly after all.. Blessings...Miles

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Tue 12/21/10 04:54 PM




what does religion mean to you ?.. and do you think we still need religions ?..if so why ?


Religion gave man answers to unanswerable questions to ease his mind through the ages and it is used to control masses of people.

To me religion is not needed unless a person is weak minded and is in need of the constant guilt ridden control and/or a method to feel superior to others. ( I am speaking of the top two religions here)


I agree, especially concerning the Abrahamic religions with their heathen-hating jealous godhead that is constantly being used to belittle others, and spread judgmental hatred against all those who do not worship the jealous God of these religion.

These religions are ego-based, for sure. There's no question about it. That's their underlying premise. Their God is a jealous ego who hates heathens, where a heathen is simply defined as anyone who refuses to climb on board the religion and support it's bigotry against 'heathens'. whoa

These religions give people permission to hate non-believers in the name of God and to continually insult them and belittle their religious beliefs whilst claiming to be "Righteous Servants of God".

And that's why we see suicide bombers, and people blowing up abortion clinics, and things like that, in the name of these jealous Gods. These people will do anything to support their jealous Gods.

They are dangerous religions.


Agreed. A religion that conveys that proving your worth to a jealous hatefilled godhead is more important than your life itself is definitely dangerous to all those who are not included in that person's delusion.


It's not about "proving" anything. It's about loving one another, showing compassion for the people of this world. Not causing harm to one another. It's not about "proving" anything. There is not hate filled godhead. God hates no one. God doesn't hate one that sins. God turns away from sin, but God doesn't hate whom does the sin. Again God merely instructs us to treat others with love, treat them as we wish to be treated. Why is so evil about that? What is so wrong?

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Tue 12/21/10 05:03 PM



what does religion mean to you ?.. and do you think we still need religions ?..if so why ?


Religion gave man answers to unanswerable questions to ease his mind through the ages and it is used to control masses of people.

To me religion is not needed unless a person is weak minded and is in need of the constant guilt ridden control and/or a method to feel superior to others. ( I am speaking of the top two religions here)


I agree, especially concerning the Abrahamic religions with their heathen-hating jealous godhead that is constantly being used to belittle others, and spread judgmental hatred against all those who do not worship the jealous God of these religion.

These religions are ego-based, for sure. There's no question about it. That's their underlying premise. Their God is a jealous ego who hates heathens, where a heathen is simply defined as anyone who refuses to climb on board the religion and support it's bigotry against 'heathens'. whoa

These religions give people permission to hate non-believers in the name of God and to continually insult them and belittle their religious beliefs whilst claiming to be "Righteous Servants of God".

And that's why we see suicide bombers, and people blowing up abortion clinics, and things like that, in the name of these jealous Gods. These people will do anything to support their jealous Gods.

They are dangerous religions.




About the Hating the Heathon in the Abrahamic times.. I will just give you some xmas cheer what is said about how to treat the Heathon..Shalom...Miles

Jer 10:1-8
Hear ye the word which Yahweh speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

2 Thus saith Yahweh, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O Yahweh; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.

7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.

8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.
KJV

Verse 8 is so true

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Tue 12/21/10 05:10 PM
Cowboy wrote:

All i'm here to do is give knowledge of how to obtain forgiveness for such transgressions


Just about everyone that you have been arguing with here for many weeks now are all totally aware of what the Bible has to say about how to obtain forgiveness from the Biblical God.

In fact, you'd be truly hard-pressed to find anyone who has access to the Internet who isn't already aware of the biblical picture of God.

Most people that you speak to are not lacking such knowledge. They have simply rejected it as being unreliable and most likely nothing more than superstition, or actual religious propaganda created by mortal men.

So, for example, you have absolutely nothing to offer me Cowboy, that I don't already know.

What you do with me is ARGUE with my conclusion that I simply don't believe it.

I fully understands what it supposedly takes to gain salvation in your religion. And I can't imagine anyone who doesn't.

In fact, it's extremely SIMPLE. At least for me it would be. Based on the religion I wouldn't even need to change my lifestyle one iota. All I would need to do is 'believe' that Jesus is the sacrificial lamb of God, and accept his sacrifice on my behalf. And then I'd be saved.

I wouldn't even need to change my lifestyle or my everyday life since I already qualify for all the other things that this religion claims God wants from us.

All I would need to do is "BELIEVE" that Jesus is the sacrificial lamb of a God who is appeased by blood sacrifices and accept that sacrifice on my behalf.

That's IMPOSSIBLE, Cowboy. It's impossible because I TRULY do not believe it. I can't change that. I can't just PRETEND to believe it to appease a God when the fact is that I DON'T believe it.

Yet for some reason you are completely incapable of comprehending this simple thing.

The religion that you preach about is totally inaccessible to me. I cannot believe in it. PERIOD. It's not a choice. The religion is utterly stupid, IMHO, and that's a FACT. I can't change that fact.

There's nothing I can HONESTLY do to start believing in a supposedly all-wise God who is appeased by something as crude and ignorant as having someone nailed to a pole.

That's just not something that I'm capable of believing. From my perspective, such an idea is utterly ignorant and disgusting. And there's no way that I can imagine a genuinely wise and loving God acting in such an ignorant and unwise fashion.

So it's not even possible for me to believe in the biblical picture God.

Can you understand that? Or is this over your head?

It seems to me that this should be simple enough for a child to grasp.

I cannot believe in a supposedly all-wise loving God who has set up a religion where the only way to earn his love is to condone a grossly disgusting bloody sacrifice to "pay" for my sins.

No offense intended Cowboy, but from my perspective that very notion is utterly ignorant and don't not even come close to representing the actions of an 'all-wise' loving God.

So Christianity is not even an option for me.

It's just not a plausible religion, IMHO.

I need someone to "explain" to me what it takes to appease this God. I'm quite sure that I already understand that fully.

I just simply do not believe in this religion, and more important I cannot believe in it even if I wanted to because it's utterly absurd, IMHO.

Moreover, why would I even want to believe in the religion?

There is NO THREAT outside of the religion. The only THREAT that I would need to be 'saved' from comes from the religion itself!

So in other words, I would actually need to believe in it FIRST, to even have a motivation to believe it.

Otherwise, there's no THREAT to be saved from in the first place.

The religion has absolutely nothing to offer me, not even salvation, because the very NEED for salvation is PART of the religion!

It's a circular religion. You need to believe in it first in order to be "saved" by it, because until you believe in it, no one is THREATENING you.

Except the Christians, of course. whoa

But they already fell for it. So it's a religion that's supposedly saving them from the threats that come from the very religion that's saving them.

Doesn't that even make any sense? I personally don't think it does.

But, in any case, everyone already knows how to obtain salvation through this religion. Just accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior and that's it. Period. It's really simple. There's not a lot to understand about it.