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"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools," Rom_1:22, 
So? You have Paul ranting and whining that if someone doesn't agree with his views and beliefs they are fools. I'm supposed to be impressed by that? From a totally nonsensical collection of stories that is utterly absurd to begin with?
I keep telling you that as far as I'm concerned the Bible contains nothing more than the opinionated nonsense of mortal men. Yet you keep quoting from it like as if I'm supposed to be impressed or something. Quoting from the Bible is utterly meaningless. If you want to convince someone that the Bible is the word of God, you're going to have to do more than just quote from it and assume that it's the word of God based on nothing more than your confessed BLIND HOPE that it might be. 
You may as well be quoting from Macbeth or any other book for that matter. In fact if you like quotes about wisdom here are some: "A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." - Albert Einstein In fact, did you need religion to teach you good morals? Or were you attracted to a religion that you believe already has morals that you condone? Or are you just in it for the hope of reward after death? When I read the moral teachings of Jesus, all I have ever done is shake my head in agreement. Never did these teachings ever teach me something that I didn't already know or agree with. A conversation between Jesus and myself would be extremely boring. All we would do is sit there and agree with each other including when we both say, "I and the Father are One". 
Here's some more wisdom for you: "The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism." - Albert Einstein If I have to choose between the wisdom of Albert Einstein a great scientific thinker and achiever, or the so-called wisdom of someone as desperate as Paul supposedly was, I think I'll chose to accept the wisdom of Einstein. So we pick and chose where we find our wisdom. 
You choose yours out of hope and desperation. I choose mine based simply on what I feel is wiser. 
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"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools," Rom_1:22,
So? You have Paul ranting and whining that if someone doesn't agree with his views and beliefs they are fools. I'm supposed to be impressed by that? From a totally nonsensical collection of stories that is utterly absurd to begin with?
I keep telling you that as far as I'm concerned the Bible contains nothing more than the opinionated nonsense of mortal men. Yet you keep quoting from it like as if I'm supposed to be impressed or something. Quoting from the Bible is utterly meaningless. If you want to convince someone that the Bible is the word of God, you're going to have to do more than just quote from it and assume that it's the word of God based on nothing more than your confessed BLIND HOPE that it might be.
You may as well be quoting from Macbeth or any other book for that matter. In fact if you like quotes about wisdom here are some: "A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." - Albert Einstein In fact, did you need religion to teach you good morals? Or were you attracted to a religion that you believe already has morals that you condone? Or are you just in it for the hope of reward after death? When I read the moral teachings of Jesus, all I have ever done is shake my head in agreement. Never did these teachings ever teach me something that I didn't already know or agree with. A conversation between Jesus and myself would be extremely boring. All we would do is sit there and agree with each other including when we both say, "I and the Father are One".
Here's some more wisdom for you: "The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism." - Albert Einstein If I have to choose between the wisdom of Albert Einstein a great scientific thinker and achiever, or the so-called wisdom of someone as desperate as Paul supposedly was, I think I'll chose to accept the wisdom of Einstein. So we pick and chose where we find our wisdom.
You choose yours out of hope and desperation. I choose mine based simply on what I feel is wiser.
===================================== "A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." - Albert Einstein ===================================== This is exactly where you and other atheists including people of other beliefs fail to conceive why people worship our father. It's NOT out of fear of eternal punishment, or fear of non-existence, or anything of any such. We worship, praise, and love our father out of exactly that, love. And it's not out of hope or desperation. What would we be in desperation for? If we are wrong, then what bad came of following the laws of the bible? Thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not lie, ect ect. What bad comes of this if we were wrong? |
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And it's not out of hope or desperation. What would we be in desperation for? Fear of dying. And a lust for eternal life. In fact, the WHOLE PREMISE of the religion you worship is the idea that you will be "Saved" from death and eternal damnation. Why do you think they call Jesus the "Savior"? I can't very well "Save" you from something DESIRABLE. So it's clearly a fear-based religion. Before you can believe in a "Savior" you must first be in FEAR of something. If we are wrong, then what bad came of following the laws of the bible? Thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not lie, ect ect. What bad comes of this if we were wrong? Oh come on! How arrogant is that? Are you suggesting that Albert Einstein condones murder, stealing, lying ect.? What bad comes of this if we were wrong? You also preach religious bigotry. You preach that only those who accept Jesus as their "Savior" will be "saved" from some horrible fate (i.e. from something to FEAR) And that carries with it the accompanying demand that the Old Testament is the "Word of God" and therefore the "Laws of God". In fact, that's precisely where you get your "Ten Commandments" in the first place. But that also carries with it male-chauvinism, bigotry against same-gender love and marriage, etc., etc., etc. Where would it truly STOP if it were actually given completely free reigns? 
It teaches in the Old Testament to seek out and kill heathens, their wives, children, and even destroy the villages from whence they came. It also teaches in the Bible not to suffer a witch to live. In other words, the only way to truly PACIFY Christians is to climb on their bigotry wagon. It wouldn't be good enough for me to tell you, "Ok Mr. Christian, I accept Jesus as my savior but I still don't believe in the God of the Old Testament" You would say, "No, that's not good enough, before you can accept Jesus as your savior you need to recognize that he's the Son of the God of the Old Testament. You can't accept Jesus as your savior and simultaneously deny that he is God's Son" Do you SEE the problem? Where are we ultimately going with this? :huh; Accepting Jesus as my "savior" is just the worm on the HOOK! In order me to truly pacify the Chrisitans I must become a FULL-FLEDGED Christian BIGOT, renouncing all other religions as being false, supporting bigotry against same-gender marriage as being a "sin", and blah, blah, blah. And it NEVER STOPS! In fact, if you actually go by what the Bible teaches it's even a "sin" not to observe the Sabbath, and/or attend in the worshiping of this God. Christianity given a FREE REIGN becomes a horrible dictatorship. And this is precisely what things like the Crusades were all about. Let's not even get into the witch burning. And even if you don't believe that Hitler was a "Christian" you still can't deny the FACT that the bible inspires antisemitism. Give FULL AUTHORITY as the officially recognized "Word of God" the bible can actually become an extremely evil manuscript. Just look at what has come from these writings. Judaism, Islam, Catholicism, and the many different and often opposing sects of Protestantism. At look at the religious bigotries these diverse sects of this basic fairy tale have become. The bottom line is really quite simple. You don't need to support religious bigotry in order to support good moral values. On the contrary, there are far better ways to support good moral values. Buddhism teaches good moral values. Especially Mahayana Buddhism which is an ancient form that existed in its heyday around the time Jesus was supposed to have lived. You don't need to preach religious bigotry in order to support good moral values. It just isn't necessary. And to preach that Jesus is the "savior" is automatically preaching FEAR, because the very notion of a need for a "savior" implies that there is something horrible to be "saved" from. Christianity without a "fear factor" is utterly meaningless. |
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The main thesis that I try to get across is that supporting ancient religions that demand religious bigotry is generally unhealthy, and can never work. History has shown us this, and I for one know full well that I'm not about to accept the bigotry of those ancient fables.
So bigoted religions with their jealous Zeus-like threatening Godheads simply aren't healthy for humanity. So if a person is sincerely interested in promoting positive spiritual ideas they would do well to learn about the Eastern Mystical philosophies and embrace loving spirituality that inspires wholeness instead of the divisiveness of the Middle Eastern religious bigotry. Why spread divisiveness in the name of God when you can spread wholeness instead? |
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And it's not out of hope or desperation. What would we be in desperation for? Fear of dying. And a lust for eternal life. In fact, the WHOLE PREMISE of the religion you worship is the idea that you will be "Saved" from death and eternal damnation. Why do you think they call Jesus the "Savior"? I can't very well "Save" you from something DESIRABLE. So it's clearly a fear-based religion. Before you can believe in a "Savior" you must first be in FEAR of something. If we are wrong, then what bad came of following the laws of the bible? Thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not lie, ect ect. What bad comes of this if we were wrong? Oh come on! How arrogant is that? Are you suggesting that Albert Einstein condones murder, stealing, lying ect.? What bad comes of this if we were wrong? You also preach religious bigotry. You preach that only those who accept Jesus as their "Savior" will be "saved" from some horrible fate (i.e. from something to FEAR) And that carries with it the accompanying demand that the Old Testament is the "Word of God" and therefore the "Laws of God". In fact, that's precisely where you get your "Ten Commandments" in the first place. But that also carries with it male-chauvinism, bigotry against same-gender love and marriage, etc., etc., etc. Where would it truly STOP if it were actually given completely free reigns?
It teaches in the Old Testament to seek out and kill heathens, their wives, children, and even destroy the villages from whence they came. It also teaches in the Bible not to suffer a witch to live. In other words, the only way to truly PACIFY Christians is to climb on their bigotry wagon. It wouldn't be good enough for me to tell you, "Ok Mr. Christian, I accept Jesus as my savior but I still don't believe in the God of the Old Testament" You would say, "No, that's not good enough, before you can accept Jesus as your savior you need to recognize that he's the Son of the God of the Old Testament. You can't accept Jesus as your savior and simultaneously deny that he is God's Son" Do you SEE the problem? Where are we ultimately going with this? :huh; Accepting Jesus as my "savior" is just the worm on the HOOK! In order me to truly pacify the Chrisitans I must become a FULL-FLEDGED Christian BIGOT, renouncing all other religions as being false, supporting bigotry against same-gender marriage as being a "sin", and blah, blah, blah. And it NEVER STOPS! In fact, if you actually go by what the Bible teaches it's even a "sin" not to observe the Sabbath, and/or attend in the worshiping of this God. Christianity given a FREE REIGN becomes a horrible dictatorship. And this is precisely what things like the Crusades were all about. Let's not even get into the witch burning. And even if you don't believe that Hitler was a "Christian" you still can't deny the FACT that the bible inspires antisemitism. Give FULL AUTHORITY as the officially recognized "Word of God" the bible can actually become an extremely evil manuscript. Just look at what has come from these writings. Judaism, Islam, Catholicism, and the many different and often opposing sects of Protestantism. At look at the religious bigotries these diverse sects of this basic fairy tale have become. The bottom line is really quite simple. You don't need to support religious bigotry in order to support good moral values. On the contrary, there are far better ways to support good moral values. Buddhism teaches good moral values. Especially Mahayana Buddhism which is an ancient form that existed in its heyday around the time Jesus was supposed to have lived. You don't need to preach religious bigotry in order to support good moral values. It just isn't necessary. And to preach that Jesus is the "savior" is automatically preaching FEAR, because the very notion of a need for a "savior" implies that there is something horrible to be "saved" from. Christianity without a "fear factor" is utterly meaningless. ======================================== Fear of dying. And a lust for eternal life. In fact, the WHOLE PREMISE of the religion you worship is the idea that you will be "Saved" from death and eternal damnation. Why do you think they call Jesus the "Saviour"? ========================================= It's not the fear of dying. It's the chance to be able to worship and praise our father for eternity. It's not a desire for self achievement. It's a desire to serve, worship, and love our father for eternity. And get the chance to love and cherish times with our loved ones, immediate family, wife, our children, ect. ------------------------------------ ======================================== You also preach religious bigotry. You preach that only those who accept Jesus as their "Saviour" will be "saved" from some horrible fate (i.e. from something to FEAR) ======================================== Yes, Jesus is the light and pathway to our father. Sin doesn't stop with you, it continues on from generation to generation till it is forgiven. The sin that got us kicked out of the garden of Eden till someone seeks forgiveness for as such and accept Jesus Christ for the forgiveness. But again it's nothing out of fear. It's out of love desiring to see our father to worship him and praise him. -------------------------------------- ======================================== And that carries with it the accompanying demand that the Old Testament is the "Word of God" and therefore the "Laws of God". In fact, that's precisely where you get your "Ten Commandments" in the first place ======================================== The ten commandments are in the new testament as well. Not gathered together on a shiny tablet. But you can see the 10 commandments through Jesus' teachings. ---------------------------------------- ======================================== It teaches in the Old Testament to seek out and kill heathens, their wives, children, and even destroy the villages from whence they came. It also teaches in the Bible not to suffer a witch to live ======================================== Before the word became flesh eg., Jesus. We were judged on earth for our sins. Thus what you mentioned. The only reward for sin is death. --------------------------------------- ======================================= In fact, if you actually go by what the Bible teaches it's even a "sin" not to observe the Sabbath, and/or attend in the worshipping of this God. ======================================= Yes, we are not to labour on the sabath and to keep it holy. It is a very holy day for resting and worship. Is one day out of the week to much to ask for, for worship? And getting your attention off the worldly things and focus on our father? Is that really to much to ask for? ------------------------------------ ====================================== You don't need to preach religious bigotry in order to support good moral values. It just isn't necessary. And to preach that Jesus is the "saviour" is automatically preaching FEAR, because the very notion of a need for a "saviour" implies that there is something horrible to be "saved" from. ====================================== First of all, it's not about specifically have good morals. It's about obedience, listening to our father. Secondly again there is no fear. You have no fear of none existence nor do I. So where is the fear? I chose to be obedient to our father out of love, again not out of fear. If someone listens out of fear and not out of love, it's in vein. It's not true hearted. So therefore would end up meaningless, now wouldn't it? It wouldn't be sincere. |
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The main thesis that I try to get across is that supporting ancient religions that demand religious bigotry is generally unhealthy, and can never work. History has shown us this, and I for one know full well that I'm not about to accept the bigotry of those ancient fables. So bigoted religions with their jealous Zeus-like threatening Godheads simply aren't healthy for humanity. So if a person is sincerely interested in promoting positive spiritual ideas they would do well to learn about the Eastern Mystical philosophies and embrace loving spirituality that inspires wholeness instead of the divisiveness of the Middle Eastern religious bigotry. Why spread divisiveness in the name of God when you can spread wholeness instead? There is no divisiveness. We are all equal. We ALL fall short in the glory of God. I'm no better then you, nor you better then I, nor either one of us better then anyone in the world. We are ALL equal. |
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"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools," Rom_1:22,
So? You have Paul ranting and whining that if someone doesn't agree with his views and beliefs they are fools. I'm supposed to be impressed by that? From a totally nonsensical collection of stories that is utterly absurd to begin with?
I keep telling you that as far as I'm concerned the Bible contains nothing more than the opinionated nonsense of mortal men. Yet you keep quoting from it like as if I'm supposed to be impressed or something. Quoting from the Bible is utterly meaningless. If you want to convince someone that the Bible is the word of God, you're going to have to do more than just quote from it and assume that it's the word of God based on nothing more than your confessed BLIND HOPE that it might be.
You may as well be quoting from Macbeth or any other book for that matter. In fact if you like quotes about wisdom here are some: "A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." - Albert Einstein In fact, did you need religion to teach you good morals? Or were you attracted to a religion that you believe already has morals that you condone? Or are you just in it for the hope of reward after death? When I read the moral teachings of Jesus, all I have ever done is shake my head in agreement. Never did these teachings ever teach me something that I didn't already know or agree with. A conversation between Jesus and myself would be extremely boring. All we would do is sit there and agree with each other including when we both say, "I and the Father are One".
Here's some more wisdom for you: "The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism." - Albert Einstein If I have to choose between the wisdom of Albert Einstein a great scientific thinker and achiever, or the so-called wisdom of someone as desperate as Paul supposedly was, I think I'll chose to accept the wisdom of Einstein. So we pick and chose where we find our wisdom.
You choose yours out of hope and desperation. I choose mine based simply on what I feel is wiser.
===================================== "A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." - Albert Einstein ===================================== This is exactly where you and other atheists including people of other beliefs fail to conceive why people worship our father. It's NOT out of fear of eternal punishment, or fear of non-existence, or anything of any such. We worship, praise, and love our father out of exactly that, love. And it's not out of hope or desperation. What would we be in desperation for? If we are wrong, then what bad came of following the laws of the bible? Thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not lie, ect ect. What bad comes of this if we were wrong? What bad?? Oh, I dunno...I think Galileo must have something to say about that. Among a whole bunch of other people from the beginings of recorded history who've been abused or killed in the name of some religion. I could also mention, again, the abuses I've personally suffered at the hands of "good" christians, if you want something a little more modern. And there are other stories. |
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You cannot understand God's Word if you don't trust Him. How can I reasonably trust an alleged Creator who gave me a potentially fatal lesion inside my brain before I was born? Actually, the last episode did technically kill me briefly, but I knew what was happening before it got totally past the point of no return and I was in the back of an Advanced Life Support Unit ready to be airlifted to Johns Hopkins if necessary when it happened. And I can hear it now-- God was responsible for the events that brought me back and that I'm not somehow converted by that experience must mean that Satan has it hooks in me somehow. Don't you just love it? The way that people who have NO experience about your particular experiences with Hell on Earth offering their OPINIONS on What Really Happened? -Kerry O., "Touche!" Jesus heals!!!
Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised," Trust. That's pretty easy to say, but you weren't in my shoes and Jesus wasn't there. My relatives tried to pray away the problem and that didn't work. I was left the choice and expense of going to some real scientists and neurosurgeons for some really unpleasant or dying in agony. -Kerry O. |
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"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools," Rom_1:22,
So? You have Paul ranting and whining that if someone doesn't agree with his views and beliefs they are fools. I'm supposed to be impressed by that? From a totally nonsensical collection of stories that is utterly absurd to begin with?
I keep telling you that as far as I'm concerned the Bible contains nothing more than the opinionated nonsense of mortal men. Yet you keep quoting from it like as if I'm supposed to be impressed or something. Quoting from the Bible is utterly meaningless. If you want to convince someone that the Bible is the word of God, you're going to have to do more than just quote from it and assume that it's the word of God based on nothing more than your confessed BLIND HOPE that it might be.
You may as well be quoting from Macbeth or any other book for that matter. In fact if you like quotes about wisdom here are some: "A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." - Albert Einstein In fact, did you need religion to teach you good morals? Or were you attracted to a religion that you believe already has morals that you condone? Or are you just in it for the hope of reward after death? When I read the moral teachings of Jesus, all I have ever done is shake my head in agreement. Never did these teachings ever teach me something that I didn't already know or agree with. A conversation between Jesus and myself would be extremely boring. All we would do is sit there and agree with each other including when we both say, "I and the Father are One".
Here's some more wisdom for you: "The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism." - Albert Einstein If I have to choose between the wisdom of Albert Einstein a great scientific thinker and achiever, or the so-called wisdom of someone as desperate as Paul supposedly was, I think I'll chose to accept the wisdom of Einstein. So we pick and chose where we find our wisdom.
You choose yours out of hope and desperation. I choose mine based simply on what I feel is wiser.
===================================== "A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." - Albert Einstein ===================================== This is exactly where you and other atheists including people of other beliefs fail to conceive why people worship our father. It's NOT out of fear of eternal punishment, or fear of non-existence, or anything of any such. We worship, praise, and love our father out of exactly that, love. And it's not out of hope or desperation. What would we be in desperation for? If we are wrong, then what bad came of following the laws of the bible? Thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not lie, ect ect. What bad comes of this if we were wrong? What bad?? Oh, I dunno...I think Galileo must have something to say about that. Among a whole bunch of other people from the beginings of recorded history who've been abused or killed in the name of some religion. I could also mention, again, the abuses I've personally suffered at the hands of "good" christians, if you want something a little more modern. And there are other stories. Well if they were/are abused, then those that did as such to them were not following the laws of our father. Our father in no way instructs us to abuse anyone in anyway. We are literally just to love anyone and everyone. I'm sorry that you've suffered people of false preaching. And definitely no one is to be killed in the name of our father. Again, we are to turn the other cheek. That would mean if someone would hit you, for you not to retaliate but turn away from the evil. So with that amongst many other teachings, you can see we are not to be violent, abuse, and definitely not kill anyone. They people were merely giving false testimony. |
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You cannot understand God's Word if you don't trust Him. How can I reasonably trust an alleged Creator who gave me a potentially fatal lesion inside my brain before I was born? Actually, the last episode did technically kill me briefly, but I knew what was happening before it got totally past the point of no return and I was in the back of an Advanced Life Support Unit ready to be airlifted to Johns Hopkins if necessary when it happened. And I can hear it now-- God was responsible for the events that brought me back and that I'm not somehow converted by that experience must mean that Satan has it hooks in me somehow. Don't you just love it? The way that people who have NO experience about your particular experiences with Hell on Earth offering their OPINIONS on What Really Happened? -Kerry O., "Touche!" Jesus heals!!!
Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised," Trust. That's pretty easy to say, but you weren't in my shoes and Jesus wasn't there. My relatives tried to pray away the problem and that didn't work. I was left the choice and expense of going to some real scientists and neurosurgeons for some really unpleasant or dying in agony. -Kerry O. And you were healed of such. Our father works through people. He doesn't just show his face and say behold may Kerry be healed. No, our father works through people. That's where our conscience comes from. That is our father speaking to us to do his will. And our father gives us certain different abilities and skills to help others. It all boils down to where YOU want to give the credit to. If you want to rob our father of his blessing of you being healed and give it straight to the doctors so be it. But nevertheless our father gave them the knowledge and the ability to heal you of such. |
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You cannot understand God's Word if you don't trust Him. How can I reasonably trust an alleged Creator who gave me a potentially fatal lesion inside my brain before I was born? Actually, the last episode did technically kill me briefly, but I knew what was happening before it got totally past the point of no return and I was in the back of an Advanced Life Support Unit ready to be airlifted to Johns Hopkins if necessary when it happened. And I can hear it now-- God was responsible for the events that brought me back and that I'm not somehow converted by that experience must mean that Satan has it hooks in me somehow. Don't you just love it? The way that people who have NO experience about your particular experiences with Hell on Earth offering their OPINIONS on What Really Happened? -Kerry O., "Touche!" Kerry sorry to hear about your health problems, are you doing better now? |
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And get the chance to love and cherish times with our loved ones, immediate family, wife, our children, ect. Well, again, you aren't interested in worshiping some arrogant jealous God, you're only interested in what you believe is in it for you! Let there be no doubt about that. You obsession with this religion has nothing to do with loving any God, it's all about what you think this God will do for you. If you thought that some other religion could offer you the same prizes you'd embrace them just as easily. It's the GIFT your after, not the God. |
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And get the chance to love and cherish times with our loved ones, immediate family, wife, our children, ect. Well, again, you aren't interested in worshiping some arrogant jealous God, you're only interested in what you believe is in it for you! Let there be no doubt about that. You obsession with this religion has nothing to do with loving any God, it's all about what you think this God will do for you. If you thought that some other religion could offer you the same prizes you'd embrace them just as easily. It's the GIFT your after, not the God. No because you like to edit posts don't make it correct. I said foremost that we will have the chance to worship and praise our father for eternity. Then I mentioned being with our loved ones for eternity. |
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We are made of light....energy is light....energy does not stop because our human-isn does.. (it doesn't just 'poof!', disappear)...
we never leave our loved ones...nor they us, with or without a godhead. I feel sad for you Cowboy..(sounds patronising,it's not meant to be, it's what is arising in me reading your belief structures)....such a wonderful soul...a gorgeous spirit, a gentle man.....with a broken vehicle that keeps you stuck on the side of the road of your life. I am glad that your belief structures give you solace...and for you, supports your inherant nature in a positive way....you are a rare soul, Cowboy. |
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I said foremost that we will have the chance to worship and praise our father for eternity Well, perhaps it's good that you are obscessed with our "Father" since I tend to worship our "Mother".
This way they both get a little love and attention.
Although I worship the Father too, just not the make-believe "father" that the ancient Hebrews made up. We all go home in the end Cowboy. Your failure to have faith that God truly loves us all unconditionally is truly sad. 
What's even more sad is that you find it necessarily to propagate that kind of jealous egotistical portrait of God to other people relentlessly totally in denial of God's true unconditional love. |
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I said foremost that we will have the chance to worship and praise our father for eternity Well, perhaps it's good that you are obscessed with our "Father" since I tend to worship our "Mother".
This way they both get a little love and attention.
Although I worship the Father too, just not the make-believe "father" that the ancient Hebrews made up. We all go home in the end Cowboy. Your failure to have faith that God truly loves us all unconditionally is truly sad.
What's even more sad is that you find it necessarily to propagate that kind of jealous egotistical portrait of God to other people relentlessly totally in denial of God's true unconditional love. It's ok. I have no failures in the faith for our father. I just know the truth, the facts of the bible. ================================= Matthew 7:13-14 13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. ================================= So I would surely suggest to choose the path you take wisely. |
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It's ok. I have no failures in the faith for our father. I just know the truth, the facts of the bible. ================================= Matthew 7:13-14 13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. ================================= So I would surely suggest to choose the path you take wisely. I always do. This is why I don't make my choices based on the idle threats of hearsay rumors from ignorant myths where they claim that our creator is a male-chauvinistic pig who commands people not to kill and then instructs them to do just that time and time again all through their stupid mythology. There would be nothing wise about giving such ignorant threats any merit. If you're interesting in making wise choices I would suggest learning the wisdom of Buddha or some other Eastern Mystical philosophy.
You're not going to find any wisdom in a mythology that was written by male-chauvinistic pigs who basically copied Greek Mythology complete with a God who is appeased by blood sacrifices and threatens to harm anyone who fails to love him.
That just isn't something that I would consider to be "wise". Just my humble opinion, of course.
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ja1379 wrote:
thank you for getting back to the original question. i started this post because i wonder that the question of God being real has to burn in the back of your mind because you really dont know. just because you are not sure of something doesnt mean it is not so. i am so strong in my faith because i am certain that my God is real and that he is the only God. i am 100% sure and i can say that with confidence, boldness and authority. i am willing to put not just my life on it, but also my soul. can you say with 100% certainty that there is no God? think about that, can you really say with 100% certainty that there is no God. you dont have to answer that because i already know. i just want you to think about that. if you think about it, we are the ones who arent real. God created us, we did not create God. your eyes and heart are shut to him so how can you possibly know if you dont desire to. i truly believe that if you sincerely set your heart to know him and seek him, then you will find him. in order to understand or obtain any knowlege you have to first have a desire to learn it. Apparently you totally missed my point. I'm not an atheist. I'm not saying that I don't believe in the spiritual nature of our existence. What I'm saying is that just because I do believe in spirit doesn't mean that I'm going to run off and worship Zeus, or any other blood-thirsty mythological God who is appeased by blood sacrifices and professes to be a jealous egotistical God. ja1379 wrote:
let me clear this up for all of you who lack understanding and try to disapprove God by saying that it is man made. many people who want an autobioraphy published, dont write it themselves, they tell the writers what they want readers to know about them. there are still people who listen and obey God. yes man wrote the bible, but it is Gods words. paper and ink mean nothing, it is the message that is of value and that messege is from God given to man. God does speak to his people, just because you choose not to listen doesnt mean he is not speaking. Let me clear this up for you. Just because you have accepted one particular version of one particular mythological fairy tale doesn't make it the "Word of God". Also, if I were to say that I speak for God, and you refused to believe me would you then be rejecting God? Or would you simply be refusing to accept the idea that I speak for God? Think about that for a while. It's absolutely impossible to reject a God by refusing to believe in the hearsay rumors of some mortal men. Therefore it's impossible for it to be a grave "sin" to reject the Bible as the "Word of God", yet this is precisely what the authors of the Bible hold to be true. They claim that's it an unforgivable sin to reject their words as being the "Word of God".
Therefore, those authors cannot possibly be telling the truth. They are caught red-handed in an outright lie that can't possibly be true. Also, are you aware that the Bible does not contain a single solitary word from Jesus himself. Nary a one. The entire set of fables is all nothing but hearsay rumors, many of which actually conflict with each other. So to reject these words of men as being the "Word of God" cannot possibly be the same as rejecting a God itself. Thus the Bible is necessarily ungodly, and has absolutely nothing at all to do with any "real" God. The proof is in the pudding. It's absolutely impossible to reject a "God" that hasn't come to you in person in no uncertain terms and revealed itself as the creator of this universe. Anything short of that is necessarily a man-made sham. im sorry for misunderstanding you. i understand now that you are not an atheist and that you do believe in something. this is why i started this post is to get a better understanding of people views(not to argue and dispute) with that being said, to answer your statement about rejecting God, if God sends a prophet or messenger because you are not hearing him directly and you reject the prophet/messenger then you are not rejecting the messenger, you are rejecting God. this is why i dont debate or get mad when someone doesnt recieve what i say. they arent rejecting me, i only speak what i know in the Lord and nothing else. i dont give opinions, just fact. like i said before, God tries to speak to man but some men dont listen or are not at a place in their hearts to hear God. In his love he sends people/prophets/messengers to speak to that individual or nation. you said that you are spiritual, i can tell you that there are only two types of spirits in this world. good spirits(God) and evil spirits(devil). like i said before, i know for a fact that there is only one God because of my experience with him. my faith in this one God is so sure that if every man on this earth denied him, i would still belive and trust in him. Thus is the thinking of every suicide bombing terrorist. People like you give me the willies. A wise person once said, "Never trust anyone who says they've found the truth. Only trust those who are still looking." arcamedees, the only reply i have for you is that you are very foolish and unwise. you have no desire for God and to understand truth. one day you will know the reality of God, THIS IS CERTAIN. it is sad that by the time you know him, it will not be his love but his wrath that you experience. i will no longer reply to any of your post. like i said, you are very foolish and it will be a waste of time replying or furthering any conversation with you. abracadabra doesnt agree with me either, but at least i can say that his comments arent silly and i can somewhat understand and relate to his way of thinking because i wasnt always a believer myself. your words are full of air and have no substance or credit behind it, you are just a silly man. |
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You cannot understand God's Word if you don't trust Him. How can I reasonably trust an alleged Creator who gave me a potentially fatal lesion inside my brain before I was born? Actually, the last episode did technically kill me briefly, but I knew what was happening before it got totally past the point of no return and I was in the back of an Advanced Life Support Unit ready to be airlifted to Johns Hopkins if necessary when it happened. And I can hear it now-- God was responsible for the events that brought me back and that I'm not somehow converted by that experience must mean that Satan has it hooks in me somehow. Don't you just love it? The way that people who have NO experience about your particular experiences with Hell on Earth offering their OPINIONS on What Really Happened? -Kerry O., "Touche!" kerryo, i have never been that close to death so i cant tell you that i know or understand how you feel. i can only tell you that i am very sorry and sincerely feel for you. the one thing i am sure of is that God is just, faithful, and true. he may or may not have caused your condition, i dont know. i can tell you that God is not responsible or doesnt cause all the misfortune that comes upon us. satan does not have his hooks in you and your condition may not be cause by sin. i dont know how you feel now but you are still alive today so that has to count for something. please dont let anyone make you feel condemned or guilty about your anger or uncertainty about God for your condition. people fail to realize that God is not this ruthless judge who is waiting to stricken us or strike us down for our disobedience and unbelief. he understands our emotional state more than we do. sorry for being longwinded but i want you to know that whether you belive in him or not, he loves you, and i can tell you that because i know he loves me. he loves the believer and the unbeliever just the same. please grab hold to a little bit of faith and i hope you overcome your condition and live a long and beautiful life. |
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It's ok. I have no failures in the faith for our father. I just know the truth, the facts of the bible. ================================= Matthew 7:13-14 13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. ================================= So I would surely suggest to choose the path you take wisely. I always do. This is why I don't make my choices based on the idle threats of hearsay rumors from ignorant myths where they claim that our creator is a male-chauvinistic pig who commands people not to kill and then instructs them to do just that time and time again all through their stupid mythology. There would be nothing wise about giving such ignorant threats any merit. If you're interesting in making wise choices I would suggest learning the wisdom of Buddha or some other Eastern Mystical philosophy.
You're not going to find any wisdom in a mythology that was written by male-chauvinistic pigs who basically copied Greek Mythology complete with a God who is appeased by blood sacrifices and threatens to harm anyone who fails to love him.
That just isn't something that I would consider to be "wise". Just my humble opinion, of course.
There are no threats my friend. God offers eternal life. Not receiving it isn't punishment in that exact sense. A gift is earned, just because someone doesn't earn the gift, doesn't mean they were punished. Only means they were not rewarded for their failures. Again no threats, only knowledge of how to achieve eternal life through Jesus Christ. |
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