thank you for getting back to the original question. i started this post because i wonder that the question of God being real has to burn in the back of your mind because you really dont know. just because you are not sure of something doesnt mean it is not so. i am so strong in my faith because i am certain that my God is real and that he is the only God. i am 100% sure and i can say that with confidence, boldness and authority. i am willing to put not just my life on it, but also my soul. can you say with 100% certainty that there is no God? think about that, can you really say with 100% certainty that there is no God. you dont have to answer that because i already know. i just want you to think about that. if you think about it, we are the ones who arent real. God created us, we did not create God. your eyes and heart are shut to him so how can you possibly know if you dont desire to. i truly believe that if you sincerely set your heart to know him and seek him, then you will find him. in order to understand or obtain any knowlege you have to first have a desire to learn it.

AMEN BROTHER!!!! :D May the grace of God be with you in your journey of life.

let me clear this up for all of you who lack understanding and try to disapprove God by saying that it is man made. many people who want an autobioraphy published, dont write it themselves, they tell the writers what they want readers to know about them. there are still people who listen and obey God. yes man wrote the bible, but it is Gods words. paper and ink mean nothing, it is the message that is of value and that messege is from God given to man. God does speak to his people, just because you choose not to listen doesnt mean he is not speaking.

Apparently you totally missed my point. I'm not an atheist. I'm not saying that I don't believe in the spiritual nature of our existence.

What I'm saying is that just because I do believe in spirit doesn't mean that I'm going to run off and worship Zeus, or any other blood-thirsty mythological God who is appeased by blood sacrifices and professes to be a jealous egotistical God.



Let me clear this up for you. Just because you have accepted one particular version of one particular mythological fairy tale doesn't make it the "Word of God".

Also, if I were to say that I speak for God, and you refused to believe me would you then be rejecting God? Or would you simply be refusing to accept the idea that I speak for God?

Think about that for a while.

It's absolutely impossible to reject a God by refusing to believe in the hearsay rumors of some mortal men. Therefore it's impossible for it to be a grave "sin" to reject the Bible as the "Word of God", yet this is precisely what the authors of the Bible hold to be true. They claim that's it an unforgivable sin to reject their words as being the "Word of God".

Therefore, those authors cannot possibly be telling the truth. They are caught red-handed in an outright lie that can't possibly be true.

Also, are you aware that the Bible does not contain a single solitary word from Jesus himself. Nary a one. The entire set of fables is all nothing but hearsay rumors, many of which actually conflict with each other.

So to reject these words of men as being the "Word of God" cannot possibly be the same as rejecting a God itself. Thus the Bible is necessarily ungodly, and has absolutely nothing at all to do with any "real" God.

The proof is in the pudding.

It's absolutely impossible to reject a "God" that hasn't come to you in person in no uncertain terms and revealed itself as the creator of this universe. Anything short of that is necessarily a man-made sham.

By the way ja,

I'm not refuting the wisdom in recognizing the spiritual essence of life. I think it's great that you feel powerfully called to spirituality.

I just think it's really sad that you've fallen in the dogma pit when you could have chosen a really beautiful and positive spirituality instead.

omg...

need some meds up in here quick, lol...

there is nothing that creates more psychotrophic effect on the human brain itself, than a belief in god for any self gain sake, for such creates delusion of self grandeaur, and at the same time, cuts self off from any feedback, from any opposing perception.

a total crossfire contructed for the brain itself, as in time, no feedback from a human voice is heard as meaningful?

such seems to be consuming the wannabe greats of late.

a belief in god to have greatness for self?

a belief in god to make self better than it's own fellow man somehow in it's own mind?

a belief in god to garner "god" protection for self?

come now...

even a child could see such be not a pure and good motivator of a divine loving god to have itself?

so how could such be a divine pure good motivator for a "follower of god"?

lol...

well, to heed no words from others that oppose, or question, or envoke to thought, as meaningful, is ludicris and unsane.

there is only one possible outcome using such method to operate ones brain.

unsanity.

it is only but environmental feedback, the voice of other humans, seen with meaning, that creates any sanity to begin with?

to think self "interpret for god", so then speak for god, and at the same time, believe self wise by hearing any opposing feedback as meaningless?

wow...

there are lots of other things written, besides what is being taken to defend the self in all itself believe and does...

and to prove to self it be obedient and "holy"...

and to convince self it appease some "god", so self can GET WHAT IT WANTS FOR ITSELF...

but indeed, such shall garner no favor from god, but rather the creation of ones own unsanity.

So...having "faith" isn't an action?
And that's rich, being called blind by someone who believes in a bronze age mythos.

ah..how convenient for you...

You do realize, don't you, that you've pretty much stated a definition for insanity?
Replace all instances of the word "God" with "flying purple monkey" in your speech and see how it sounds.

Then it's not really a gift. Gifts are given, not grabbed. If you have a hammer and I grab it from you, you may say I'm welcome to keep it, but that doesn't make it a gift.

Yeah, except "democide" isn't really a word...
If you mean genocide, you're just wrong. I believe Hitler and The Crusades show that, at the very least.

Not according to most religions...

But that's all true believers can do. You should know that by now.

woot!

So you're saying if someone gives you a gift, you don't reach out and grab it?

Does schitzophenia(sp?) run in your family?
You don't know squat about God. You believe a lot, but you don't know. If you did know, you'd be able to prove the existance of God, which you can't. That's the difference between knowledge and belief.

As for what you feel, lots of people feel all kinds of different things. This isn't proof of anything, except their feelings.
What you are is self-deluded. If that makes you happy and you don't hurt others because of it, good for you. But you seriously sound like a crazy person when you tell us that God is real because you FEEL Him. Especially when in the next breath, you state we aren't real.

Right...
So, did God approve of all the translation errors too?

umm..nope. Either it's put in my hand by the giver OR I pick it up after they've put it down.

Excuse me Arcamedees, could I have a word with you for a moment?

Exactly what are you referring to when you say "most" religions"?

Are you looking at Judaism, Islam, Catholicism, and the many diverging denominations of Protestantism as "Most Regions"?

If so, I think you have fallen into the Abrahamic trap yourself in sense.

All these Abrahamic religions are ONE in the SAME religion. Sure, they are all convoluted, diverging, and utterly confused babble of the Abrahamic mythology, but none-the-less, they are all based on precisely the same egotistical jealous Godhead who lusts to be the ultimate authority over his creation which is temporarily out of control.

They all worship the same jealous God, and they therefore all carry with them the same hateful bigotry of putting down everyone who doesn't worship their jealous God(s). They created multiple "Gods" simple because they have become so confused and convoluted.

But the source of their religious bigotry ultimately stems from their shared belief in a jealous God who hates heathens.

But does this single, highly diverged, and utterly confused religion truly represent "most" religions?

I personally don't think so. Once the Abrahamic religions are recognized as being merely ONE big confused mess based on a single male-chauvinistic jealous Zeus-like Godhead, then looking around at all the other world religions we simply don't see this kind of religious bigotry.

Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Wicca, Shamanism, the religion of the North American Indians, and even "Faery Lore" if you want to count that as a "religion" or spirituality, are all fundamentally free of religious bigotry.

Sure, there may be some bigoted sects even in some of these, but the main point is that this is not the "basis" of these spirituality. They are not based on a jealous Godhead who hates heathens.

The Abrahamic religions that are based on the folklore of the God of Abraham have no choice but to be bigoted religions because the first four of their Ten Commandments of Moses demands religious bigotry.

But do they truly represent "most" religions?

I guess that all depends on how you view religion on a world-wide scale. I do acknowledge that the Abrahamic religious sects have contaminated most of human religious thought, unfortunately.

It's quite unfortunate because it takes something that could be beautiful (spirituality) and makes it filthy with religious bigotry and hatred. It takes spirituality and turns it into something that's truly sick.