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i often wonder, how can an atheist be so sure that there is no god, that they are willing to jeopardize eternity for a mere 70-100 years of life. its kinda funny because you can be certain that there is a God if you truly know him, but you can never really be certain that there is not if you dont know him. Please consider a sanity check. 
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i often wonder, how can an atheist be so sure that there is no god, that they are willing to jeopardize eternity for a mere 70-100 years of life. its kinda funny because you can be certain that there is a God if you truly know him, but you can never really be certain that there is not if you dont know him. I see no reason to believe that a person's belief is going to have anything at all to do with their eternal fate. That kind of rhetoric only stems from the Abrahamic Religions with their supposed jealous egotistical God who hates anyone who refuses to love him. 
Who would want to worship such an ignorant selfish God for eternity anyway? Even if that mythology were true your best bet would be to tell that God to go jump in his lake of fire because he's clearly not worthy of worship. Unless, of course, you'd be willing to worship a demon just to save your butt from death. Personally I would gladly choose death over becoming the mindless slave to an evil demon like the biblical God. Our father hates no one. He only loves. That is why he offers eternal life. If he didn't love you or someone else, would he still offer the eternal life? I think no, but he does. Heaven is merely a gift. Gifts are generally earned in one way or other. Not "bought" but earned through love. umm...If one has to earn a "gift", it's not a gift. It's payment for services rendered. Yes if the reasoning of doing the services is in working towards getting the gift. Those things you did that were suppose to be nice and loving have then turned to selfishness. But if the obedience is done not in working towards the gift but just lovingly done, then that loving thing of which you did was done in a great dead. Do you do sweet things to your spouse in hopes of getting rewarded? Or do you do those sweet loving things just to show your love for her and make her feel special? It's all about where your heart is in the given action. I think this is one of those things we're going have to agree to disagree. If you do something with the expectation of a reward, that's a job. A gift is not something that is earned, but something that is freely given, with out the expectation of anything. |
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Our father hates no one. He only loves. That is why he offers eternal life. If he didn't love you or someone else, would he still offer the eternal life? I think no, but he does. Heaven is merely a gift. Gifts are generally earned in one way or other. Not "bought" but earned through love. But it's impossible to earn this supposed gift through "love". According to the Christians the only way to achieve this gift is to convert to Christianity. First, confess that Jesus is the "The Christ", then acknowledge that he was the Only Begotten Son of the God of the Old Testament, and THEN confess that the entire Old Testament must necessarily be the "Word of God" and thus represent the LAWS of God. What does any of that CRAP have to do with "LOVE"? I can tell you right now, that it has absolutely nothing at all to do with Love. All that crap has to do with is Christian bigotry. Trying to hold the ignorant ways of a sick demented male-chauvinistic and homophoic society over the heads of modern people. That has absolutely nothing at all to do with "Love". Christians use Jesus to spread hatred and religious bigotry, and the mere fact that they pretend to speak of things like "Love" only shows just how horribly blinded they truly are. Christianity is only a title given to us because of atheists and other beliefs. There's no "conversion" necessary. The only things necessary are accepting Jesus Christ as your sacrifice for your sins. You do this by the way you live. For if you believe in him "accepting his sacrifice" you would follow the teachings that he gave. That is the ONLY thing necessary to gaining salvation. Jesus is the light that leads our way to the father. And it has everything to do with love. The greatest display of the greatest love is laying your life down for someone else. Weather that's literal or symbolic. Jesus LITERALLY laid his life down for us so that we can share in the glory of God. All you have to do is sybolically lay your life down for our father in return. Live your life for others including our father and not for just you. Of course you'll have to live for yourself eg., going to work, meeting a woman, building a family, ect. But through your actions of how you live your life is how you'd be laying your life down for the father. =================================== Christians use Jesus to spread hatred and religious bigotry, and the mere fact that they pretend to speak of things like "Love" only shows just how horribly blinded they truly are. ==================================== Christians spread no hatred or religious bigotry. Christianity spreads equality, love, compassion, and so much more. And here's a simple form of how it spreads as such. Equality = We ALL fall short in the glory of God. Thus no one is better then another, we are all equal in this boat of life. Love = Offering eternal life. Everything you would ever want or need at just a whim of asking for it. Compassion = Offering forgiveness of sins and trespasses you may have done. There is but only one unforgivable sin, and that is denying the lord thy God. ALL other sins are forgiveable if you seek the forgiveness. Kudos for thinking that. Your naivete is rather cute. Kudos for being that way yourself. However, that is certainly not how most christians present their religion. That's their failures. Our father teaches us to be as previously mentioned. Evidence of the opposite not withstanding. You're interpretation is laudible, however, I really don't think most christians share that. |
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i often wonder, how can an atheist be so sure that there is no god, that they are willing to jeopardize eternity for a mere 70-100 years of life. its kinda funny because you can be certain that there is a God if you truly know him, but you can never really be certain that there is not if you dont know him. Please consider a sanity check.
Which game system? Some require a d20 and others a percentage roll. |
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i often wonder, how can an atheist be so sure that there is no god, that they are willing to jeopardize eternity for a mere 70-100 years of life. its kinda funny because you can be certain that there is a God if you truly know him, but you can never really be certain that there is not if you dont know him. Please consider a sanity check.
Which game system? Some require a d20 and others a percentage roll. Percentile. Chaosium has a great system. |
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this message is for arcamedees. there is no deed or series of deeds, only belief/obedience and unbelief/disobedience first off, the QUOTE button is your friend...
Secondly, I know this is hard for you to understand, but try to follow me here... Believing in something or obeying someone is a DEED. Look it up. You have a finite life in which you will do DEEDS, like believing in things and obeying God and such. And somehow, whatever one does in a finite life merits an infinite reward or punishment? Yeah, that seems fair. 
You are still missing the point man. we are not saved by our ACTIONS. only by grace through faith. i really dont expect you to understand. you are one of the blind men that i have compasion for. oh yeah, thanks for the quote tip. |
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its funny but also sad that when i read the remarks that the athiests post, i can feel a sense of anger behind their words. why so angry guys? im trying not to laugh here but i cant help picturing you guys with a scrunched up face while you are typing. listen up close, i dont hate or dislike any of you because you dont believe. believe it or not but i have more compasion for people like you because you are truly blinded. who doesnt have compasion on a blind man? im not trying to convert anyone. i simply state the truth as the holy ghost has taught me and i dont speak on things that i dont fully understand. its your choice to believe or not. if you dont believe, i dont love you any less and neither does God. he loves you just as much as he loves me. this is what is so amazing about him. My, but how condecending. And you wonder why we get angry... Look kid, I'm sure you're a real nice guy and I'm glad you found something that makes you happy but I'm guessing you don't actually debate anything because you can't. If you want to preach unto the masses, I believe there's a place for that. I suggest you go find it. Staying here will only cause you pain. Ask Cowboy how happy he is with his rate of conversions so far... And I've got a lot of respect for him. He at least swings back, so to speak. i can debate with whoever wants to because i am confident in the knowlege that the Lord has given me. i chose not to because i dont believe in arguing over Gods word. i only like to share with those who want to listen. anyone who i feel doesnt care about sincerely knowing God, i dont waist time with. |
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i often wonder, how can an atheist be so sure that there is no god, that they are willing to jeopardize eternity for a mere 70-100 years of life. its kinda funny because you can be certain that there is a God if you truly know him, but you can never really be certain that there is not if you dont know him. How can you be sure that the God you know is the same God that others also claim to know? How do know that the eternity your God offers is not one of servitude and oppression? What does your God say is the price of a ticket to eternity? (like requirements or pre-requisites) Do you know God on an interactive level - or is the communication just one way (him to you)? Just wondering because Abraham seemed to have a good repore with his God - heck, Abraham even questioned God's judgement conserning Sodom and even persuaded him to lower his expectations. Is that the kind of relationship you have with your God? Is that how well you know him? thank you for your concern and your questions. to answer your first ?, i can only tell you that the God i serve is the only God because his word tells me so. i know this because i dont just claim to know him, i have actually felt his overwhelming presence and i have experienced many of the miracles that are in the bible. you have to understand that God is the same God now as he was then. for your 2nd ?, i know that the eternity that he offers in not one of oppression because fist, he gives us choice to serve him, and 2nd, if you truly have felt his love and presence like i have then there would be no doubt about the peace and joy in heaven. i love to worship him, i cant explain the feeling i get to cry out to him and praise him, all my worries and cares cease in his presence. your 3rd ?, all you need to be saved is faith. your faith will cause you to seek him and understand you need to be born again. your 4th ?, my relationship with God is interactive but mostly on his part. i am a man who struggles with giving up the things of this world just like many others. i dont claim to have it all together but i understand how much he loves me and this causes me to always come back to him and stive to obey and do that which is upright. he mostly speaks to me in dreams, i guess thats the best way he can get my attention is when i am still. he speaks to us all the time but we arent always receptive. i thank you again for your questions and if theres anything else you would like to know please dont hesitate to write me here or send me an email to my profile. |
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i often wonder, how can an atheist be so sure that there is no god, that they are willing to jeopardize eternity for a mere 70-100 years of life. its kinda funny because you can be certain that there is a God if you truly know him, but you can never really be certain that there is not if you dont know him. I see no reason to believe that a person's belief is going to have anything at all to do with their eternal fate. That kind of rhetoric only stems from the Abrahamic Religions with their supposed jealous egotistical God who hates anyone who refuses to love him.
Who would want to worship such an ignorant selfish God for eternity anyway? Even if that mythology were true your best bet would be to tell that God to go jump in his lake of fire because he's clearly not worthy of worship. Unless, of course, you'd be willing to worship a demon just to save your butt from death. Personally I would gladly choose death over becoming the mindless slave to an evil demon like the biblical God. Our father hates no one. He only loves. That is why he offers eternal life. If he didn't love you or someone else, would he still offer the eternal life? I think no, but he does. Heaven is merely a gift. Gifts are generally earned in one way or other. Not "bought" but earned through love. umm...If one has to earn a "gift", it's not a gift. It's payment for services rendered. a gift is given in love and not earned. this is very true but in order to recieve that gift one has to reach out and accept it. we who believe reach out with our faith and accept the gift of eternal life that is in Christ Jesus. |
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Hail to the Fuhrer!
funny, how many if not all the "religious" proponent's, speak about "god" just as the Nazi party follower's spoke... BOW TO THE FURHRER! or fry your cripsy critter but in hell! we are the deciever's of mankind! we, THE CHRSITAIN'S, seek vain glory for OURSELF, and seek to be GREAT, and seek to avoid HELL, and seek to GAIN HEAVEN. what a bunch of ****ing cowards. the very book a trap that only A "SELF SEEKER" MOST, would ever be so gullible and stupid as blind not to see the MOTIVE BE AGAINST ANY COMMON LOVE OF HUMANITY, OR LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS thySELF, lol... it's all about "obedience". as if "god" be a drill seargent, and dictator, demanding to be BOWED TO!? if GOD created ALL LIFE, on earth, then the fact that ALL ARE GIVEN "FREE WILL", would indicate the type of entity any "god" is. if HAIL TO THE FUHRER, was the mentality of the so called "god", THEN NONE WOULD BE MAKING THEIR "OWN CHOICES". it's all about "authority", to the religious, TO TRY TO CONTROL ALL OTHER HUMAN'S TO BELIEVE AS SELF. why does one obey? to GET WHAT ITSELF WANTS! for the self guilty to avoid hell, damnation, and loss or bad karma for self, protection from pain for self, as if "god" be a mob boss to purchase "self protection" from, lol... and, to invest to get good for self, and heaven for SELF. the botttom line, is the ****ING MOTIVE, is the FOULEST ON PLANET EARTH, since it revolves around SELF, and, to even further the delusion of self as supreme, it BELIEVE'S "GOD" EMBRACES SUCH. the prefect recipe to create a little minion, a wouldbe killer, of what does not "bow to god"... NO WONDER ALL GENOCIDE IN HUMANITY WAS PERPED BY RELIGIOUS "SELF SEEKER'S"... ****ing traitor's to their own fellow man, demonizing their own fellow man, PUTTING THEM UP TO DEATH, FOR THE SAKE OF "GETTING HEAVEN themSELF". and if there is no revolution, then they shall try to crerate one, by DEMANDING THEIR OWN BELIEF'S GUIDE ALL OF HUMANITY, trying to actually straight jacket other human's... ****ING CONTROL FREAKS ZOMBIES. since "god" is believed to be this type "entity", then an authoritative posture is taken on by all the follower's of the Fuhrer of God. LET THEM MARCH TO THE BEAT OF THE SELF AS DIVINE, as these will always walk themself right off cliff's, while praying and thanking "god" for giving them stuff, and saving them from "bad" stuff, and making them "better" than their fellow man, and these, ARE ALWAYS HUNG ON THEIR OWN GALLOWS just as was written in their own GUIDEBOOK OF THE SELF SEEKER. |
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NO WONDER ALL GENOCIDE IN HUMANITY WAS PERPED BY RELIGIOUS "SELF SEEKER'S"... Except in the Ukraine and Rowanda and in Cambodia... And don't forget that Democide by atheist governments far outnumber all deaths in all recorded wars combined. But hey, that's only what historians say... |
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NO WONDER ALL GENOCIDE IN HUMANITY WAS PERPED BY RELIGIOUS "SELF SEEKER'S"... Except in the Ukraine and Rowanda and in Cambodia... And don't forget that Democide by atheist governments far outnumber all deaths in all recorded wars combined. But hey, that's only what historians say... atheist is a "religion" in itself. it is a declared "belief"!? it is simply a "belief" taken unto self, no different than "christians" take a belief unto themself. and how does each select their "belief"? if it suites what self WISHES to believe, OR FOSTERS AND PERPETRATES, what self deem as "good" for itself? spawned in inception, simply by the natural human feelings of "bias toward self", or favoring toward self? then, the SEEKING, for anything that self can find to CONCUR WITH SELF? so, self BIAS, is in essence the "FIRST RELIGION", that create the many lists of "belief's" known to mankind. the religion of what "self believe's" as SUPREME, taking then no other HUMAN WORDS AS EVEN CONSIDERED in due time, except what WILL CONCUR WITH SELF? ****ing dangerous! creates every last phycological condition ever spwaned and passed down in humanity! such creates the wouldbe dictators, the wouldbe hater enough to kill, the wouldbe loyalist to corrupt power to erase what oppose self, soon, anything and everything except that which CONCURS WITH SELF BRAIN. just as the word """bias""" denote's... DECLARED "by us", AS SOVEREIGN! if US, ain't ALL, then it is BIASED. just because "historians" don't classify these "OTHERS" as 'religious', DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE NOT, lol... ALL OF HISTORY ALSO PROVES THE "MAINSTREAM", OR MASSES, as history, science, religion, and all spectrum's, SOUGHT TO FIGHT AGAINST ANY TRUE OR BETTER? so, why would one base it's own guide of itself, upon historian's alone, whom BUILD EMPIRES FOR THEMSELF, ON THEIR WORDS AS ACCURATE? does not this make it hard for them to ADMIT ANYTHING ELSE AS ACCURATE? religion, lol... THE ROOT WILL AND MOTIVE, TO MAKE THE "SELF INTEREST OF ONE AND SOME", AS SUPREME. as the LIVING GUIDE of ALL, and as the total sum of the DEFINITION OF GOOD, and morality, and words, and deeds, FOR ALL? archaic and primitive, for the small minded that wish but clones of themself, to stifle and oppress and force, other's to MIMIC AND DO AS SELF. the greatest form of flattery to that which loves itself to be worshipped! the greatest form of vomit that degenerates the human intelligence to become able to 'HAIL THE FUHRER', and NOT SEE, what he REALLY WAS IN ADVANCE. and indeed, these you listed, committing genocide, most and many were once raised in a belief, and became rebels against it, and thus sought to erase what plagued itself earlier in time and life, with war and killing... only a true "common good for all" sytem of rule, will not encite and create rebellion and wrath in it's peoples. |
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NO WONDER ALL GENOCIDE IN HUMANITY WAS PERPED BY RELIGIOUS "SELF SEEKER'S"... Except in the Ukraine and Rowanda and in Cambodia... And don't forget that Democide by atheist governments far outnumber all deaths in all recorded wars combined. But hey, that's only what historians say... atheist is a "religion" in itself. it is a declared "belief"!? it is simply a "belief" taken unto self, no different than "christians" take a belief unto themself. and how does each select their "belief"? if it suites what self WISHES to believe, OR FOSTERS AND PERPETRATES, what self deem as "good" for itself? spawned in inception, simply by the natural human feelings of "bias toward self", or favoring toward self? then, the SEEKING, for anything that self can find to CONCUR WITH SELF? so, self BIAS, is in essence the "FIRST RELIGION", that create the many lists of "belief's" known to mankind. the religion of what "self believe's" as SUPREME, taking then no other HUMAN WORDS AS EVEN CONSIDERED in due time, except what WILL CONCUR WITH SELF? ****ing dangerous! creates every last phycological condition ever spwaned and passed down in humanity! such creates the wouldbe dictators, the wouldbe hater enough to kill, the wouldbe loyalist to corrupt power to erase what oppose self, soon, anything and everything except that which CONCURS WITH SELF BRAIN. just as the word """bias""" denote's... DECLARED "by us", AS SOVEREIGN! if US, ain't ALL, then it is BIASED. just because "historians" don't classify these "OTHERS" as 'religious', DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE NOT, lol... ALL OF HISTORY ALSO PROVES THE "MAINSTREAM", OR MASSES, as history, science, religion, and all spectrum's, SOUGHT TO FIGHT AGAINST ANY TRUE OR BETTER? so, why would one base it's own guide of itself, upon historian's alone, whom BUILD EMPIRES FOR THEMSELF, ON THEIR WORDS AS ACCURATE? does not this make it hard for them to ADMIT ANYTHING ELSE AS ACCURATE? religion, lol... THE ROOT WILL AND MOTIVE, TO MAKE THE "SELF INTEREST OF ONE AND SOME", AS SUPREME. as the LIVING GUIDE of ALL, and as the total sum of the DEFINITION OF GOOD, and morality, and words, and deeds, FOR ALL? archaic and primitive, for the small minded that wish but clones of themself, to stifle and oppress and force, other's to MIMIC AND DO AS SELF. the greatest form of flattery to that which loves itself to be worshipped! the greatest form of vomit that degenerates the human intelligence to become able to 'HAIL THE FUHRER', and NOT SEE, what he REALLY WAS IN ADVANCE. and indeed, these you listed, committing genocide, most and many were once raised in a belief, and became rebels against it, and thus sought to erase what plagued itself earlier in time and life, with war and killing... only a true "common good for all" sytem of rule, will not encite and create rebellion and wrath in it's peoples.
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I think this is one of those things we're going have to agree to disagree. If you do something with the expectation of a reward, that's a job. A gift is not something that is earned, but something that is freely given, with out the expectation of anything. On this I agree. We are saved by God's grace. {Grace = "unmerited" favor} Tit_3:7, That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. Gen_47:25, And they said, Thou hast saved our lives: let us find grace in the sight of my lord, and we will be Pharaoh's servants. Act_15:11, But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. Eph_2:5, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) Eph_2:8, For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 2Ti_1:9, Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, |
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Abracadabra
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2Ti_1:9, Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, This mythology itself constantly shows its own fallacy. If grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, then there would have been no need for any "Great Flood" in the days of Noah. Christianity is truly incompatible with the religious mythology upon which it claims to rest. Moreover, there are so many contradictions in these tales that if there is any "miracle" associated with the Bible it can only be the miraculous amount of people who actually believe in it. Of course, given that as being a "miracle" then the same miracles would apply to the Torah and Quran as well. A lot of people are lost without a leader or King to follow. The Abrahamic religions are fables about a "God King". Everything about this tale resembles and reflects the concepts of an Earthly King, right down to the idea of Satan. Satan was supposedly a fallen angel who thought he could "overthrow" God's kingdom and become "King" himself. Of course, if there is a creator of all that exists it would not be possible to simply "overthrow" it because it doesn't gain its power from "authority", but rather from the very nature of what it is. So the whole idea of a fallen angel thinking that it could "overthrow" the creator of the universe and thus gain the ultimate "authority" is an utterly asinine idea to begin with. The whole fable is precisely written from a human perspective of Earthy Kings. Even Jesus is portrayed as becoming the "King of Kings" (i,e, the ultimate authority). However, before he can lay claim to his kingdom he must first defeat the fallen angel who has given him such grief, including placing him in the most desperate of positions of having to be crucified on a pole to 'win' his supposed war. That very notion right there suggests that God himself views Satan as a VERY SERIOUS THREAT that requires major sacrifices in order to beat. At the end of the fable God finally defeats the fallen angel once and for all. He squishes the head of the fallen angel and then casts it's carcass along with all the souls that the fallen angel has won into the lake of fire where there will be eternal wailing and gnashing of teeth. (nobody wants to be in that crowd) 
Then the city of Jerusalem is prepared as a bride and the King Jesus returns to re-marry his divorced wife of Israel.
In the meantime, all other human cultures were just an "aside" in this creation fable. Just supporting actors and actresses in the central drama of the dance and marital quarrel between God and the Jews. Like most good fairy tales it ends with, "And they lived happily ever after". Now good night children and have sweet dreams. All will be well in the morning, just trust in the Lord of the Israelites. For all other religions and creation stories are false myths created by that nasty fallen angel, Satan. 
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Who cares?
really? I just watched a fascinating dialogue between two people... One asked, Why is god doing this to us? The other replied... Because... you kill each other over race and greed, dirt and rubble, and words from old books...he has lost all hope. Your gods don't leave me with a lot of anything other than mangled words from old books, when there is so much destruction of everything your so-called gods made for you...if you truely loved your gods....you wouldn't contribute to the destruction of what he made for you, in love. |
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2Ti_1:9, Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, This mythology itself constantly shows its own fallacy. If grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, then there would have been no need for any "Great Flood" in the days of Noah. Christianity is truly incompatible with the religious mythology upon which it claims to rest. Moreover, there are so many contradictions in these tales that if there is any "miracle" associated with the Bible it can only be the miraculous amount of people who actually believe in it. Of course, given that as being a "miracle" then the same miracles would apply to the Torah and Quran as well. A lot of people are lost without a leader or King to follow. The Abrahamic religions are fables about a "God King". Everything about this tale resembles and reflects the concepts of an Earthly King, right down to the idea of Satan. Satan was supposedly a fallen angel who thought he could "overthrow" God's kingdom and become "King" himself. Of course, if there is a creator of all that exists it would not be possible to simply "overthrow" it because it doesn't gain its power from "authority", but rather from the very nature of what it is. So the whole idea of a fallen angel thinking that it could "overthrow" the creator of the universe and thus gain the ultimate "authority" is an utterly asinine idea to begin with. The whole fable is precisely written from a human perspective of Earthy Kings. Even Jesus is portrayed as becoming the "King of Kings" (i,e, the ultimate authority). However, before he can lay claim to his kingdom he must first defeat the fallen angel who has given him such grief, including placing him in the most desperate of positions of having to be crucified on a pole to 'win' his supposed war. That very notion right there suggests that God himself views Satan as a VERY SERIOUS THREAT that requires major sacrifices in order to beat. At the end of the fable God finally defeats the fallen angel once and for all. He squishes the head of the fallen angel and then casts it's carcass along with all the souls that the fallen angel has won into the lake of fire where there will be eternal wailing and gnashing of teeth. (nobody wants to be in that crowd)
Then the city of Jerusalem is prepared as a bride and the King Jesus returns to re-marry his divorced wife of Israel.
In the meantime, all other human cultures were just an "aside" in this creation fable. Just supporting actors and actresses in the central drama of the dance and marital quarrel between God and the Jews. Like most good fairy tales it ends with, "And they lived happily ever after". Now good night children and have sweet dreams. All will be well in the morning, just trust in the Lord of the Israelites. For all other religions and creation stories are false myths created by that nasty fallen angel, Satan.
=========================== If grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, then there would have been no need for any "Great Flood" in the days of Noah. =========================== Because when the majority of the population is refusing our father the most simple way would be to judge them all at once and flood the world, saving the most pure of the population. ---------------------------- =========================== Moreover, there are so many contradictions in these tales that if there is any "miracle" associated with the Bible it can only be the miraculous amount of people who actually believe in it. Of course, given that as being a "miracle" then the same miracles would apply to the Torah and Quran as well. ============================ Moreover, there are no contradictions in the bible. For we have shown you this, but yet you absolutely refuse to accept it. People will only see what they wish to see. ------------------------------ ============================= Satan was supposedly a fallen angel who thought he could "overthrow" God's kingdom and become "King" himself. Of course, if there is a creator of all that exists it would not be possible to simply "overthrow" it because it doesn't gain its power from "authority", but rather from the very nature of what it is. ============================== Yes and Satan thought himself to be more great and more powerful then the father. Thought himself to be more pure, more intelligent, and more beautiful. And he will have his judgement come judgement time. If there was no trouble on earth, we wouldn't know percisely how great it is in heaven when and if we are blessed with such an experience. And since heaven is a gift, it is earned in a sense. Without troubles on earth and or Satan there would be no way to earn this gift. Earth would be like in heaven already without Satan. ---------------------------------- |
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Who cares? really? I just watched a fascinating dialogue between two people... One asked, Why is god doing this to us? The other replied... Because... you kill each other over race and greed, dirt and rubble, and words from old books...he has lost all hope. Your gods don't leave me with a lot of anything other than mangled words from old books, when there is so much destruction of everything your so-called gods made for you...if you truely loved your gods....you wouldn't contribute to the destruction of what he made for you, in love. There is no destruction in Christianity, for it teaches us to love thy neighbor as they self and to turn the other cheek. We are to love one another. Fighting, killing, and or any immoral action is against the law our father has set out before us. |
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Jess642
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Thu 10/28/10 01:20 PM
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Who cares? really? I just watched a fascinating dialogue between two people... One asked, Why is god doing this to us? The other replied... Because... you kill each other over race and greed, dirt and rubble, and words from old books...he has lost all hope. Your gods don't leave me with a lot of anything other than mangled words from old books, when there is so much destruction of everything your so-called gods made for you...if you truely loved your gods....you wouldn't contribute to the destruction of what he made for you, in love. There is no destruction in Christianity, for it teaches us to love thy neighbor as they self and to turn the other cheek. We are to love one another. Fighting, killing, and or any immoral action is against the law our father has set out before us. ...you're kidding me, aren't you? Do you drive a car? Live in a house, use electricity, drink water, poo in a toilet? Eat animals? Vote? pay taxes? you contribute to the destruction of everything, you call your god, allegedly, created for you out of love. ever been in the armed forces? Used fly spray? I rest my case. |
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Who cares? really? I just watched a fascinating dialogue between two people... One asked, Why is god doing this to us? The other replied... Because... you kill each other over race and greed, dirt and rubble, and words from old books...he has lost all hope. Your gods don't leave me with a lot of anything other than mangled words from old books, when there is so much destruction of everything your so-called gods made for you...if you truely loved your gods....you wouldn't contribute to the destruction of what he made for you, in love. There is no destruction in Christianity, for it teaches us to love thy neighbor as they self and to turn the other cheek. We are to love one another. Fighting, killing, and or any immoral action is against the law our father has set out before us. ...you're kidding me, aren't you? Do you drive a car? Live in a house, use electricity, drink water, poo in a toilet? Eat animals? Vote? pay taxes? you contribute to the destruction of everything, you call your god, allegedly, created for you out of love. ever been in the armed forces? Used fly spray? I rest my case. What does any of that have to do with Christianity in specifics? Do you not do those things as well? Those are not actions that are derived from the Christian belief so I don't know what you're getting at with this. |
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