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What does any of that have to do with Christianity in specifics? Do you not do those things as well? Those are not actions that are derived from the Christian belief so I don't know what you're getting at with this. I can be sure there is no god of the old book words because of the blatant hipocrasy of those that follow the books. if you love your gods....you would be in awe of the gift that your gods gave you, and take care of it. Every single one of you. It's the most ludicrous situation to fervently postulate words from old books, when the actions are in complete diametric opposition of the words. I don't disrespect the gift of life...ALL life, this planet, and everything that resides on it....and I don't need a god list to do it. |
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What does any of that have to do with Christianity in specifics? Do you not do those things as well? Those are not actions that are derived from the Christian belief so I don't know what you're getting at with this. I can be sure there is no god of the old book words because of the blatant hipocrasy of those that follow the books. if you love your gods....you would be in awe of the gift that your gods gave you, and take care of it. Every single one of you. It's the most ludicrous situation to fervently postulate words from old books, when the actions are in complete diametric opposition of the words. I don't disrespect the gift of life...ALL life, this planet, and everything that resides on it....and I don't need a god list to do it. There is no hypocrisy in the bible. What is good for the goose is good for gander if you will. We are ALL equal, no one is greater then the other. We are to love EVERYBODY. Not love the tall people and forget the shorts, not love brown heads and forget brunettes, NO. We love everyone and all the laws apply to EVERYONE, again no one's greater or has more privileges or anything. So therefore no hypocrisy. |
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Why are you the spokesperson for Christianity...and the 'we' you use....is that the collective 'we'...
I asked YOU specific questions...specific to YOU individually...a human being who follows a man made construct called a god... not the whole cast and crew of the religion.. |
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Why are you the spokesperson for Christianity...and the 'we' you use....is that the collective 'we'... I asked YOU specific questions...specific to YOU individually...a human being who follows a man made construct called a god... not the whole cast and crew of the religion.. No i'm not spokesperson for Christianity, nothing special. You asking me questions reflects the entire belief in our father. So therefore the "we's" were justified. For you asking me a question about it is an answer from all of us. And I have no idea what you are referring to as the man made construct called a god. I follow no such thing, but i do follow the guidelines our father has given us to follow. |
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Why are you the spokesperson for Christianity...and the 'we' you use....is that the collective 'we'... I asked YOU specific questions...specific to YOU individually...a human being who follows a man made construct called a god... not the whole cast and crew of the religion.. He's a Paper Pope who is offended by his own choice to be so. 
He also refers to his own distorted versions of this fictitious God as "OUR FATHER". 
And you're perfectly correct Jess, he constantly uses the term "We" to make it sound like he's speaking for a large group of people rather than confessing that he's spewing nothing more than mere personal opinions. |
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NO WONDER ALL GENOCIDE IN HUMANITY WAS PERPED BY RELIGIOUS "SELF SEEKER'S"... Except in the Ukraine and Rowanda and in Cambodia... And don't forget that Democide by atheist governments far outnumber all deaths in all recorded wars combined. But hey, that's only what historians say... atheist is a "religion" in itself. it is a declared "belief"!? it is simply a "belief" taken unto self, no different than "christians" take a belief unto themself. and how does each select their "belief"? if it suites what self WISHES to believe, OR FOSTERS AND PERPETRATES, what self deem as "good" for itself? spawned in inception, simply by the natural human feelings of "bias toward self", or favoring toward self? then, the SEEKING, for anything that self can find to CONCUR WITH SELF? so, self BIAS, is in essence the "FIRST RELIGION", that create the many lists of "belief's" known to mankind. the religion of what "self believe's" as SUPREME, taking then no other HUMAN WORDS AS EVEN CONSIDERED in due time, except what WILL CONCUR WITH SELF? ****ing dangerous! creates every last phycological condition ever spwaned and passed down in humanity! such creates the wouldbe dictators, the wouldbe hater enough to kill, the wouldbe loyalist to corrupt power to erase what oppose self, soon, anything and everything except that which CONCURS WITH SELF BRAIN. just as the word """bias""" denote's... DECLARED "by us", AS SOVEREIGN! if US, ain't ALL, then it is BIASED. just because "historians" don't classify these "OTHERS" as 'religious', DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE NOT, lol... ALL OF HISTORY ALSO PROVES THE "MAINSTREAM", OR MASSES, as history, science, religion, and all spectrum's, SOUGHT TO FIGHT AGAINST ANY TRUE OR BETTER? so, why would one base it's own guide of itself, upon historian's alone, whom BUILD EMPIRES FOR THEMSELF, ON THEIR WORDS AS ACCURATE? does not this make it hard for them to ADMIT ANYTHING ELSE AS ACCURATE? religion, lol... THE ROOT WILL AND MOTIVE, TO MAKE THE "SELF INTEREST OF ONE AND SOME", AS SUPREME. as the LIVING GUIDE of ALL, and as the total sum of the DEFINITION OF GOOD, and morality, and words, and deeds, FOR ALL? archaic and primitive, for the small minded that wish but clones of themself, to stifle and oppress and force, other's to MIMIC AND DO AS SELF. the greatest form of flattery to that which loves itself to be worshipped! the greatest form of vomit that degenerates the human intelligence to become able to 'HAIL THE FUHRER', and NOT SEE, what he REALLY WAS IN ADVANCE. and indeed, these you listed, committing genocide, most and many were once raised in a belief, and became rebels against it, and thus sought to erase what plagued itself earlier in time and life, with war and killing... only a true "common good for all" sytem of rule, will not encite and create rebellion and wrath in it's peoples. 
lol... laughs to deny, laughs to ignore, laughs to defend, laughs to degenerate the human intellect to sheer blind allegiance TO THE "BELIEF"... a compromise to the advancement of the human species itself. a plague of self fear, creating self delusion, creating haters of fellow man. what does any living thing do, when it is cornered, WITH POSSIBLE PAIN OR HARM OR DOOM? lash out to destroy. does """SELF""" ACTIVELY SEEK to go to heaven? did you pick your "belief" on the basis of what shall GET """YOU""" TO HEAVEN? lol... a very finite mentality. a very carnel perception. a very self seeking motive. a very uncaring about other's mentality. a very ruthless mentality when cornered or questioned. the follower's of "god"? wow...that seems to be the opposite of "god" as loving one's fellow man, or loving the "entire world"? lol... do you want to be spared hell? did you pick your belief based upon what "belief" would spare """YOU""" from hell? self serving. laughs change not that fact. laughs change no fact. a child know's such be A GREEDY MOTIVE? but the "crusaders of god" don't? hum... something sure smells afoul. self worshipping alwasy smells afoul. the brain simply chose, defined, and based it's BELIEF, on it's OWN MOST WANT, therefore tainting every last word ever heard or defined by self. laughs won't change that. lol... if the greatest commandment, was to "love thy neighbor as thyself", then the """belief""" would have been selected FOR WHAT WOULD ALLOW SELF TO LOVE IT'S NEIGHBOR AS """EQUAL TO ITSELF""". wow, to imagine, religion ITSELF, bought the "devils" temptation of GOOD FOR """SELF""", HOOK LINE AND SINKER. no wonder it created so many minion's willing to destroy other to get for self, lol... THERE IS NO WAY UNDER THE SUN, that a "GET TO HEAVEN", OR "SPARE SELF FROM HELL" BELIEF, can ever create any true caring for other mortals as EQUAL IN VALUE, to self... just as your response PROVES, lol... the belief is cursed, because it creates in a human the foulest self serving, self as holy, self as supreme delusion on planet earth. it is the greatest TAKE FOR SELF belief, even more foul than the athiest, that wish to "erase christians"... it is a belief that indeed creates HUMAN HELL, lol... just as all the self declared "speaker's of god", endorsed for their own families, who disageed, and their own fellow man. wow... some "brotherhood of man" these small minded self seeking belief's create, lol... but, then these COULD CARE LESS ABOUT PEACE OF MAN, or brotherhood of mankiknd, or they would NEVER HAVE BEEN GULLIBLE ENOUGH TO BELIEVE SUCH SELF SERVING BELIEF, that only cares about BROTHERHOOD OF THE "SELF DECLARED GODLY", and MENTALLY WANTING EACH OTHER HUMAN TO BE AS THEMSELF. and to think, such belief's as the beast and false prophet, shall be cast into "the everlasting lake of fire", lol... |
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Cowboy wrote:
And I have no idea what you are referring to as the man made construct called a god. I follow no such thing, but i do follow the guidelines our father has given us to follow. The Bible. The bible is the man-made construct of a God. That is indeed what you FOLLOW. In fact, you don't "follow" it, but instead you decide what you believe it should be about by deciding how you will personally interpret it. You keep saying things like "OUR FATHER" expect this that or the other thing. When what you really mean to say is that the various men who wrote the large collections of stories that we have come to call the "Holy Bible" appear to be suggesting that God might potentially want certain things from us, but then again they contradict themselves in these stories so often that it's truly hard to say what this God wants from anyone. That's all you can TRULY SAY. Anything else is a major leap of FAITH on your part. Not only faith that these stories might have had some divine inspiration, but that the versions and conclusions that you personally draw from them might also have some sort of validity. The bottom line is that, even if these stories in the bible were inspired by some supernatural being, that doesn't mean that you interpretations of views of them would represent this "God's" views. So for you to even remotely speak of what "OUR FATHER" wants is basically blaspheme. You need to start every one of your sentences with: "In my personal opinion here's what I think this biblical God seems to want,... blah, blah, blah" Anything less than this is blaspheme. |
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I just watched a fascinating dialogue between two people... One asked, Why is god doing this to us? The other replied... Because... you kill each other over race and greed, dirt and rubble, and words from old books...he has lost all hope. "Legion" sucked. |
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lol... laughs to deny, laughs to ignore, laughs to defend, laughs to degenerate the human intellect to sheer blind allegiance TO THE "BELIEF"... a compromise to the advancement of the human species itself. a plague of self fear, creating self delusion, creating haters of fellow man. what does any living thing do, when it is cornered, WITH POSSIBLE PAIN OR HARM OR DOOM? lash out to destroy. does """SELF""" ACTIVELY SEEK to go to heaven? did you pick your "belief" on the basis of what shall GET """YOU""" TO HEAVEN? lol... a very finite mentality. a very carnel perception. a very self seeking motive. a very uncaring about other's mentality. a very ruthless mentality when cornered or questioned. the follower's of "god"? wow...that seems to be the opposite of "god" as loving one's fellow man, or loving the "entire world"? lol... do you want to be spared hell? did you pick your belief based upon what "belief" would spare """YOU""" from hell? self serving. laughs change not that fact. laughs change no fact. a child know's such be A GREEDY MOTIVE? but the "crusaders of god" don't? hum... something sure smells afoul. self worshipping alwasy smells afoul. the brain simply chose, defined, and based it's BELIEF, on it's OWN MOST WANT, therefore tainting every last word ever heard or defined by self. laughs won't change that. lol... if the greatest commandment, was to "love thy neighbor as thyself", then the """belief""" would have been selected FOR WHAT WOULD ALLOW SELF TO LOVE IT'S NEIGHBOR AS """EQUAL TO ITSELF""". wow, to imagine, religion ITSELF, bought the "devils" temptation of GOOD FOR """SELF""", HOOK LINE AND SINKER. no wonder it created so many minion's willing to destroy other to get for self, lol... THERE IS NO WAY UNDER THE SUN, that a "GET TO HEAVEN", OR "SPARE SELF FROM HELL" BELIEF, can ever create any true caring for other mortals as EQUAL IN VALUE, to self... just as your response PROVES, lol... the belief is cursed, because it creates in a human the foulest self serving, self as holy, self as supreme delusion on planet earth. it is the greatest TAKE FOR SELF belief, even more foul than the athiest, that wish to "erase christians"... it is a belief that indeed creates HUMAN HELL, lol... just as all the self declared "speaker's of god", endorsed for their own families, who disageed, and their own fellow man. wow... some "brotherhood of man" these small minded self seeking belief's create, lol... but, then these COULD CARE LESS ABOUT PEACE OF MAN, or brotherhood of mankiknd, or they would NEVER HAVE BEEN GULLIBLE ENOUGH TO BELIEVE SUCH SELF SERVING BELIEF, that only cares about BROTHERHOOD OF THE "SELF DECLARED GODLY", and MENTALLY WANTING EACH OTHER HUMAN TO BE AS THEMSELF. and to think, such belief's as the beast and false prophet, shall be cast into "the everlasting lake of fire", lol... 
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Peter_Pan69
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Thu 10/28/10 02:15 PM
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NO WONDER ALL GENOCIDE IN HUMANITY WAS PERPED BY RELIGIOUS "SELF SEEKER'S"... Except in the Ukraine and Rowanda and in Cambodia... And don't forget that Democide by atheist governments far outnumber all deaths in all recorded wars combined. But hey, that's only what historians say... atheist is a "religion" in itself. it is a declared "belief"!? it is simply a "belief" taken unto self, no different than "christians" take a belief unto themself. and how does each select their "belief"? if it suites what self WISHES to believe, OR FOSTERS AND PERPETRATES, what self deem as "good" for itself? spawned in inception, simply by the natural human feelings of "bias toward self", or favoring toward self? then, the SEEKING, for anything that self can find to CONCUR WITH SELF? so, self BIAS, is in essence the "FIRST RELIGION", that create the many lists of "belief's" known to mankind. the religion of what "self believe's" as SUPREME, taking then no other HUMAN WORDS AS EVEN CONSIDERED in due time, except what WILL CONCUR WITH SELF? ****ing dangerous! creates every last phycological condition ever spwaned and passed down in humanity! such creates the wouldbe dictators, the wouldbe hater enough to kill, the wouldbe loyalist to corrupt power to erase what oppose self, soon, anything and everything except that which CONCURS WITH SELF BRAIN. just as the word """bias""" denote's... DECLARED "by us", AS SOVEREIGN! if US, ain't ALL, then it is BIASED. just because "historians" don't classify these "OTHERS" as 'religious', DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE NOT, lol... ALL OF HISTORY ALSO PROVES THE "MAINSTREAM", OR MASSES, as history, science, religion, and all spectrum's, SOUGHT TO FIGHT AGAINST ANY TRUE OR BETTER? so, why would one base it's own guide of itself, upon historian's alone, whom BUILD EMPIRES FOR THEMSELF, ON THEIR WORDS AS ACCURATE? does not this make it hard for them to ADMIT ANYTHING ELSE AS ACCURATE? religion, lol... THE ROOT WILL AND MOTIVE, TO MAKE THE "SELF INTEREST OF ONE AND SOME", AS SUPREME. as the LIVING GUIDE of ALL, and as the total sum of the DEFINITION OF GOOD, and morality, and words, and deeds, FOR ALL? archaic and primitive, for the small minded that wish but clones of themself, to stifle and oppress and force, other's to MIMIC AND DO AS SELF. the greatest form of flattery to that which loves itself to be worshipped! the greatest form of vomit that degenerates the human intelligence to become able to 'HAIL THE FUHRER', and NOT SEE, what he REALLY WAS IN ADVANCE. and indeed, these you listed, committing genocide, most and many were once raised in a belief, and became rebels against it, and thus sought to erase what plagued itself earlier in time and life, with war and killing... only a true "common good for all" sytem of rule, will not encite and create rebellion and wrath in it's peoples.
lol... laughs to deny, laughs to ignore, laughs to defend, laughs to degenerate the human intellect to sheer blind allegiance TO THE "BELIEF"... a compromise to the advancement of the human species itself. a plague of self fear, creating self delusion, creating haters of fellow man. what does any living thing do, when it is cornered, WITH POSSIBLE PAIN OR HARM OR DOOM? lash out to destroy. does """SELF""" ACTIVELY SEEK to go to heaven? did you pick your "belief" on the basis of what shall GET """YOU""" TO HEAVEN? lol... a very finite mentality. a very carnel perception. a very self seeking motive. a very uncaring about other's mentality. a very ruthless mentality when cornered or questioned. the follower's of "god"? wow...that seems to be the opposite of "god" as loving one's fellow man, or loving the "entire world"? lol... do you want to be spared hell? did you pick your belief based upon what "belief" would spare """YOU""" from hell? self serving. laughs change not that fact. laughs change no fact. a child know's such be A GREEDY MOTIVE? but the "crusaders of god" don't? hum... something sure smells afoul. self worshipping alwasy smells afoul. the brain simply chose, defined, and based it's BELIEF, on it's OWN MOST WANT, therefore tainting every last word ever heard or defined by self. laughs won't change that. lol... if the greatest commandment, was to "love thy neighbor as thyself", then the """belief""" would have been selected FOR WHAT WOULD ALLOW SELF TO LOVE IT'S NEIGHBOR AS """EQUAL TO ITSELF""". wow, to imagine, religion ITSELF, bought the "devils" temptation of GOOD FOR """SELF""", HOOK LINE AND SINKER. no wonder it created so many minion's willing to destroy other to get for self, lol... THERE IS NO WAY UNDER THE SUN, that a "GET TO HEAVEN", OR "SPARE SELF FROM HELL" BELIEF, can ever create any true caring for other mortals as EQUAL IN VALUE, to self... just as your response PROVES, lol... the belief is cursed, because it creates in a human the foulest self serving, self as holy, self as supreme delusion on planet earth. it is the greatest TAKE FOR SELF belief, even more foul than the athiest, that wish to "erase christians"... it is a belief that indeed creates HUMAN HELL, lol... just as all the self declared "speaker's of god", endorsed for their own families, who disageed, and their own fellow man. wow... some "brotherhood of man" these small minded self seeking belief's create, lol... but, then these COULD CARE LESS ABOUT PEACE OF MAN, or brotherhood of mankiknd, or they would NEVER HAVE BEEN GULLIBLE ENOUGH TO BELIEVE SUCH SELF SERVING BELIEF, that only cares about BROTHERHOOD OF THE "SELF DECLARED GODLY", and MENTALLY WANTING EACH OTHER HUMAN TO BE AS THEMSELF. and to think, such belief's as the beast and false prophet, shall be cast into "the everlasting lake of fire", lol... Laughs show appreciation of humor... Humor of that self-centered "for-all" mentality that you use to place yourself on the self-righteous pedestal... Giggles at the self-contradictions you expose... Chuckles for the incoherent sentence structure... LOL's for the frustration and loathing you have when dealing with people... -scramblin ham P.S. ROFL's just because it is just too damn funny!!!
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Cowboy wrote:
And I have no idea what you are referring to as the man made construct called a god. I follow no such thing, but i do follow the guidelines our father has given us to follow. The Bible. The bible is the man-made construct of a God. That is indeed what you FOLLOW. In fact, you don't "follow" it, but instead you decide what you believe it should be about by deciding how you will personally interpret it. You keep saying things like "OUR FATHER" expect this that or the other thing. When what you really mean to say is that the various men who wrote the large collections of stories that we have come to call the "Holy Bible" appear to be suggesting that God might potentially want certain things from us, but then again they contradict themselves in these stories so often that it's truly hard to say what this God wants from anyone. That's all you can TRULY SAY. Anything else is a major leap of FAITH on your part. Not only faith that these stories might have had some divine inspiration, but that the versions and conclusions that you personally draw from them might also have some sort of validity. The bottom line is that, even if these stories in the bible were inspired by some supernatural being, that doesn't mean that you interpretations of views of them would represent this "God's" views. So for you to even remotely speak of what "OUR FATHER" wants is basically blaspheme. You need to start every one of your sentences with: "In my personal opinion here's what I think this biblical God seems to want,... blah, blah, blah" Anything less than this is blaspheme. Is not blaspheme till shown to be as such. And again you with the contradictions. There are NO contradictions in the bible. The contradictions you see are merely things you do not understand. And again if I say something incorrect and or in a way it's not ment to be, i plea for others to tell me as such. We then will talk one on one and discuss the particular matter to reach an understanding. |
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If you subscribe to the wrong religion, do u still get points?
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Cowboy wrote:
Is not blaspheme till shown to be as such. And again you with the contradictions. There are NO contradictions in the bible. The contradictions you see are merely things you do not understand. And again if I say something incorrect and or in a way it's not ment to be, i plea for others to tell me as such. We then will talk one on one and discuss the particular matter to reach an understanding. It already has been shown to be such. The Christian myth can only be supported via a concept of FAITH. Any attempt to try to support it by claiming that it is error-free and without contradiction is not only laughable, but it's DISHONEST. I've shown countless contradictions and outright blatant errors. Also you say, We then will talk one on one and discuss the particular matter to reach an understanding. But that can never happen between you and I because you flatly refuse to accept the truth. You simply remain in denial. And that's precisely where we always end up. Me having made legitimate points backed up by more than sufficient evidence, and you in completely and utter denial. You call that "understanding". I don't. I call that denial on your part. You just reject that facts is all. |
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i often wonder, how can an atheist be so sure that there is no god, that they are willing to jeopardize eternity for a mere 70-100 years of life. its kinda funny because you can be certain that there is a God if you truly know him, but you can never really be certain that there is not if you dont know him. Getting back to the original question of the thread. Why reduce everything to such simplistic terms? Why assume that either a particular specific mythology is true, OR there is no God at all? 
This kind of simple-minded view never ceases to amaze me. There are so many other possibilities. It's like saying, "Well, either Zeus was God, or there is no God". I mean why think like that? Why not recognize that the truth of reality might be something far beyond what mankind has previously imagined in his superstitious fairy tales? Why reduce yourself to some particular ancient mythology? Especially a male-chauvinistic mythology that's based on a self-confessed jealous God. A mythology that it riddled with self-contradictions, not to mention blatant errors associated with the status of physical reality. Why focus in on that as a basis for a belief in something supernatural? |
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Cowboy wrote:
Is not blaspheme till shown to be as such. And again you with the contradictions. There are NO contradictions in the bible. The contradictions you see are merely things you do not understand. And again if I say something incorrect and or in a way it's not ment to be, i plea for others to tell me as such. We then will talk one on one and discuss the particular matter to reach an understanding. It already has been shown to be such. The Christian myth can only be supported via a concept of FAITH. Any attempt to try to support it by claiming that it is error-free and without contradiction is not only laughable, but it's DISHONEST. I've shown countless contradictions and outright blatant errors. Also you say, We then will talk one on one and discuss the particular matter to reach an understanding. But that can never happen between you and I because you flatly refuse to accept the truth. You simply remain in denial. And that's precisely where we always end up. Me having made legitimate points backed up by more than sufficient evidence, and you in completely and utter denial. You call that "understanding". I don't. I call that denial on your part. You just reject that facts is all. No there has been no blasphemy shown. And i'm in no denial, tis you my friend that remains in denial. Afraid of the truth and the thought someone else has your life in his hands. You have shown absolutely no proof of contradictions, just verses you were having problems with through your confused delusional thinking. |
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Cowboy wrote:
You have shown absolutely no proof of contradictions, just verses you were having problems with through your confused delusional thinking. I have no "problems" with them. I can clearly see that they are blatant contradictions. It's not a problem at all really. Also you make the silliest accusations: Afraid of the truth and the thought someone else has your life in his hands. First off you claim that this is a 'truth' when in fact it's merely your faith in an clearly problematic fable. I'm not the only one who recognizes that these fables are extremely problematic. Just about every HONEST and DECENT priest or preacher will confess that even they have difficulty with many part of the Bible. In fact, why do YOU suppose that there are so many diverse sects of this religion if everything is so crystal clear and unambiguous? You have Judaism, Islam, Catholicism, and the many diverging sects of Protestantism, none of whom can even agree among themselves precisely what they should believe. And you're going to try to claim that there are no contradictions or errors in these fables? 
Secondly, why is it so important to you to believe that your life is in the hands of some other entity? 
Sounds to me like you're the one who needs a crutch. Finally, would you worship Hitler just to avoid his wrath? If not, then why worship jealous demonic God in order to avoid his wrath?
Trying to sell a religion to people based on the idea that they need to believe in it to avoid the wrath of God is truly about as pathetic as spirituality can even become. The Abrahamic religions are beneath the bottom rung of the latter of spirituality. There are far better creation myths and spiritual philosophies to be had. You're stuck in a rut you can't get out of because you've fallen for the idea that if you turn your back on this mythology you'll lose everything that you lust for. You've fallen for the "Wrathful God" syndrome. The God who will hate you if you refuse to believe in him.
EVEN if your reasons are sane, just, and righteous. It matters not, your God has no sense of sanity or righteousness, he just hates everyone who refuses to believe the the Bible is "His Word" no matter what. No God ever came to me and told me that the Bible is "His Word", the only people who have ever suggested such a thing are mortal men. Sinners according to you! Why should I believe the words of sinners? |
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Cowboy wrote:
You have shown absolutely no proof of contradictions, just verses you were having problems with through your confused delusional thinking. By the way, some of the very basics of this myth are such obvious contradictions that you'd need to be delusion not to see them For example, God commands, "Thou Shalt not Kill". But then he instructs people to stone sinners to death, stone unruly children to death, stone heathens to death (including their wives and children with no mercy), and not to suffer a witch to live. So which is it? "Thou Shalt not Kill?",.... Or "Oh by they way it's perfectly OK to kill people in the following circumstance, blah, blah, blah." The whole fable is nothing but one HUGE conglomeration of contradictions. |
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Cowboy wrote:
You have shown absolutely no proof of contradictions, just verses you were having problems with through your confused delusional thinking. By the way, some of the very basics of this myth are such obvious contradictions that you'd need to be delusion not to see them For example, God commands, "Thou Shalt not Kill". But then he instructs people to stone sinners to death, stone unruly children to death, stone heathens to death (including their wives and children with no mercy), and not to suffer a witch to live. So which is it? "Thou Shalt not Kill?",.... Or "Oh by they way it's perfectly OK to kill people in the following circumstance, blah, blah, blah." The whole fable is nothing but one HUGE conglomeration of contradictions. Killing is not the same as being judged and sentenced to death. If they were the same thing all the judges in the world that gave the death penalty would be sent to prison for killing someone. |
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Cowboy wrote:
You have shown absolutely no proof of contradictions, just verses you were having problems with through your confused delusional thinking. I have no "problems" with them. I can clearly see that they are blatant contradictions. It's not a problem at all really. Also you make the silliest accusations: Afraid of the truth and the thought someone else has your life in his hands. First off you claim that this is a 'truth' when in fact it's merely your faith in an clearly problematic fable. I'm not the only one who recognizes that these fables are extremely problematic. Just about every HONEST and DECENT priest or preacher will confess that even they have difficulty with many part of the Bible. In fact, why do YOU suppose that there are so many diverse sects of this religion if everything is so crystal clear and unambiguous? You have Judaism, Islam, Catholicism, and the many diverging sects of Protestantism, none of whom can even agree among themselves precisely what they should believe. And you're going to try to claim that there are no contradictions or errors in these fables?
Secondly, why is it so important to you to believe that your life is in the hands of some other entity?
Sounds to me like you're the one who needs a crutch. Finally, would you worship Hitler just to avoid his wrath? If not, then why worship jealous demonic God in order to avoid his wrath?
Trying to sell a religion to people based on the idea that they need to believe in it to avoid the wrath of God is truly about as pathetic as spirituality can even become. The Abrahamic religions are beneath the bottom rung of the latter of spirituality. There are far better creation myths and spiritual philosophies to be had. You're stuck in a rut you can't get out of because you've fallen for the idea that if you turn your back on this mythology you'll lose everything that you lust for. You've fallen for the "Wrathful God" syndrome. The God who will hate you if you refuse to believe in him.
EVEN if your reasons are sane, just, and righteous. It matters not, your God has no sense of sanity or righteousness, he just hates everyone who refuses to believe the the Bible is "His Word" no matter what. No God ever came to me and told me that the Bible is "His Word", the only people who have ever suggested such a thing are mortal men. Sinners according to you! Why should I believe the words of sinners? =========================================== Secondly, why is it so important to you to believe that your life is in the hands of some other entity?
=========================================== It's not important in that sense. It's just flat out the truth, it's realization. It's not something i'm "choosing" to be, it just is. -------------------------------- ============================================ Finally, would you worship Hitler just to avoid his wrath? If not, then why worship jealous demonic God in order to avoid his wrath?
============================================ No sir, i bow down to no man. And no that's not the reason i worship our father. I worship our father out of love and in a way to show him the love i possess for him. ---------------------------------- ============================================ Trying to sell a religion to people based on the idea that they need to believe in it to avoid the wrath of God is truly about as pathetic as spirituality can even become. ============================================= Faith alone will save no man. Faith without works is dead. And i'm not trying to sell anything. I just will no stand and watch people try to down and deny our father. If you do not believe our holy father, that is your choice, your decision. But I will not stand by while you and other try to give him a bad name and make him look like an animal when in reality he's not. ------------------------------------ ============================================ You've fallen for the "Wrathful God" syndrome. The God who will hate you if you refuse to believe in him.
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peter the pan...
it appears you may had some close contact with the notorious religious dogmatic germ, or RDG, more common in primitive days, but still lingering in some areas of the country... perhaps some sort of "false god radiation syndrome", or FGRS, has settled upon the region of the brain closely associated with logical deducting abilities... hum... i would be on high "red alert". "rolf" could as well mean devil gamma demon rays, or DGDR, have infiltrated the neurological pathways of the brain, and caused synaptic mis-firing mechanism disorder, or SMMD... these are very complex disorder's that many a local "faith healer" could be the cause of. i would have these issues properly treated ASAP. good luck in your search for a cure. |
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