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i often wonder, how can an atheist be so sure that there is no god, the answer is simple....Atheism can only exist because God doesn't What? i mean... HUH!? That would be like newton saying the apple is in the tree therefore it can never fall... it is part of the tree. The answer is even simpler. Atheism and God both exist because man does. If we were not here neither would have a reason to exist. Since we are here everything we imagine exists does. But there was and is a reason for our father even before man came into the picture. Our father has been here since the beginning of time, he is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. We're not the only creations our father has made. There are angels as well. We're merely children in the process of growing, do you forget we are God's as well? Not exactly sure what that in-tells for the future exactly. But the earth is not the end of anything, merely the start of something more great. I submit to you that if man did not exist neither would god (as-we-know-him). Since neither of us was 'present' at the moment of creation as set forth in the bible niether of us should accept such account blindly. For if there is an alpha and an omega as described, there most assuredly is also a 'containment field' that hold that circle. If there is such 'containment field' then there also is a medium that contains such 'containment field'. How far can you 'see'. So I don't have to quote you words again I will just make this a straight statement. When I sin it is not because I stumbled... It is because I chose to sin... Perhaps unwisely but choice it was. Which is one reason why I can not allow an ancient prophet to 'take' my 'sin'... I am responsible for what I do. That is your choice. But keep in mind with every action there is a reaction. When children are disobedient they are punished in one way or other for their misbehaviour. Do you really wish to accept the punishment for sins? And also keep in mind the only reward for sin is death. You do not need to respond to this post if you wish not to, it is not specifically meant for a response. It is merely a statement for you to seriously ponder upon. And our father exists weather you wish to believe he does or not. If i do not wish to believe penguins exist, that does not mean they truly don't. Only that I wish for them not to, but regardless of my belief they will exist. Does it not say that God will chasten all of his sons whom he loves? And does it not also say that God loves all? Also, are not all of God's creations worthy of praise? Everyone is responsible for their own actions... Praise and worship are almost two entirely different actions. I can give something/someone praise but not worship them. Yes when you worship something you praise that of which you worship. But you do have to worship that of which you praise. And yes everyone is accountable for their actions in life. Coyboy, I never mentioned "worship", so I don't understand your response as worded... |
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i often wonder, how can an atheist be so sure that there is no god, the answer is simple....Atheism can only exist because God doesn't What? i mean... HUH!? That would be like newton saying the apple is in the tree therefore it can never fall... it is part of the tree. The answer is even simpler. Atheism and God both exist because man does. If we were not here neither would have a reason to exist. Since we are here everything we imagine exists does. But there was and is a reason for our father even before man came into the picture. Our father has been here since the beginning of time, he is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. We're not the only creations our father has made. There are angels as well. We're merely children in the process of growing, do you forget we are God's as well? Not exactly sure what that in-tells for the future exactly. But the earth is not the end of anything, merely the start of something more great. I submit to you that if man did not exist neither would god (as-we-know-him). Since neither of us was 'present' at the moment of creation as set forth in the bible niether of us should accept such account blindly. For if there is an alpha and an omega as described, there most assuredly is also a 'containment field' that hold that circle. If there is such 'containment field' then there also is a medium that contains such 'containment field'. How far can you 'see'. So I don't have to quote you words again I will just make this a straight statement. When I sin it is not because I stumbled... It is because I chose to sin... Perhaps unwisely but choice it was. Which is one reason why I can not allow an ancient prophet to 'take' my 'sin'... I am responsible for what I do. That is your choice. But keep in mind with every action there is a reaction. When children are disobedient they are punished in one way or other for their misbehaviour. Do you really wish to accept the punishment for sins? And also keep in mind the only reward for sin is death. You do not need to respond to this post if you wish not to, it is not specifically meant for a response. It is merely a statement for you to seriously ponder upon. And our father exists weather you wish to believe he does or not. If i do not wish to believe penguins exist, that does not mean they truly don't. Only that I wish for them not to, but regardless of my belief they will exist. Does it not say that God will chasten all of his sons whom he loves? And does it not also say that God loves all? Also, are not all of God's creations worthy of praise? Everyone is responsible for their own actions... Praise and worship are almost two entirely different actions. I can give something/someone praise but not worship them. Yes when you worship something you praise that of which you worship. But you do have to worship that of which you praise. And yes everyone is accountable for their actions in life. Coyboy, I never mentioned "worship", so I don't understand your response as worded... Sorry misunderstood the meaning of what you said when I originally replied. But yes all things of the world are worthy of praise, all things of our father that is. |
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i often wonder, how can an atheist be so sure that there is no god, the answer is simple....Atheism can only exist because God doesn't What? i mean... HUH!? That would be like newton saying the apple is in the tree therefore it can never fall... it is part of the tree. The answer is even simpler. Atheism and God both exist because man does. If we were not here neither would have a reason to exist. Since we are here everything we imagine exists does. no it would be more like Newton saying that the apple can never fall because it hangs on an invisible tree .... even the bible admits that no man has seen God ..which is why Atheism exist as a reality as God exist as a fantasy delusion created by faith within one's mind |
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quite ironic, how divinty shall step foward and fight for the athiests, creating the abolishment of ALL religions from the face of the planet earth. |
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quite ironic, how divinty shall step foward and fight for the athiests, creating the abolishment of ALL religions from the face of the planet earth. well ....God is an Atheist |
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quite ironic, how divinty shall step foward and fight for the athiests, creating the abolishment of ALL religions from the face of the planet earth. well ....God is an Atheist indeed indeed indeed... for even "jesus" declared himself as "one with any father", or the same as, so therefore, NO FATHER AS "GOD" TO EXIST, AS HUMANS SO WANT TO MAKE IT... it certainly seems incredulous that religious self holy aspirations, cannot see their very self declared leader was "against religion". how it can be missed that "religion" in the story was what demanded his death, is beyond me, lol... |
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quite ironic, how divinty shall step foward and fight for the athiests, creating the abolishment of ALL religions from the face of the planet earth. well ....God is an Atheist indeed indeed indeed... for even "jesus" declared himself as "one with any father", or the same as, so therefore, NO FATHER AS "GOD" TO EXIST, AS HUMANS SO WANT TO MAKE IT... it certainly seems incredulous that religious self holy aspirations, cannot see their very self declared leader was "against religion". how it can be missed that "religion" in the story was what demanded his death, is beyond me, lol... Following the instructions of our father is not "religion". It is only referred to as such because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. Religion is a general word for a belief in a God. The word the lord has given us isn't "religion", again it is only placed in that category because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. |
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quite ironic, how divinty shall step foward and fight for the athiests, creating the abolishment of ALL religions from the face of the planet earth. well ....God is an Atheist indeed indeed indeed... for even "jesus" declared himself as "one with any father", or the same as, so therefore, NO FATHER AS "GOD" TO EXIST, AS HUMANS SO WANT TO MAKE IT... it certainly seems incredulous that religious self holy aspirations, cannot see their very self declared leader was "against religion". how it can be missed that "religion" in the story was what demanded his death, is beyond me, lol... Following the instructions of our father is not "religion". It is only referred to as such because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. Religion is a general word for a belief in a God. The word the lord has given us isn't "religion", again it is only placed in that category because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah....so do you follow the instructions of Allah? ... |
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quite ironic, how divinty shall step foward and fight for the athiests, creating the abolishment of ALL religions from the face of the planet earth. well ....God is an Atheist indeed indeed indeed... for even "jesus" declared himself as "one with any father", or the same as, so therefore, NO FATHER AS "GOD" TO EXIST, AS HUMANS SO WANT TO MAKE IT... it certainly seems incredulous that religious self holy aspirations, cannot see their very self declared leader was "against religion". how it can be missed that "religion" in the story was what demanded his death, is beyond me, lol... Following the instructions of our father is not "religion". It is only referred to as such because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. Religion is a general word for a belief in a God. The word the lord has given us isn't "religion", again it is only placed in that category because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah....so do you follow the instructions of Allah? ... There is but one father or in secular terms, there is but one God. |
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quite ironic, how divinty shall step foward and fight for the athiests, creating the abolishment of ALL religions from the face of the planet earth. well ....God is an Atheist indeed indeed indeed... for even "jesus" declared himself as "one with any father", or the same as, so therefore, NO FATHER AS "GOD" TO EXIST, AS HUMANS SO WANT TO MAKE IT... it certainly seems incredulous that religious self holy aspirations, cannot see their very self declared leader was "against religion". how it can be missed that "religion" in the story was what demanded his death, is beyond me, lol... Following the instructions of our father is not "religion". It is only referred to as such because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. Religion is a general word for a belief in a God. The word the lord has given us isn't "religion", again it is only placed in that category because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah....so do you follow the instructions of Allah? ... There is but one father or in secular terms, there is but one God. I stated nothing about there being more than one God..I stated that God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah ....so do you follow the instructions handed down by Allah? |
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quite ironic, how divinty shall step foward and fight for the athiests, creating the abolishment of ALL religions from the face of the planet earth. well ....God is an Atheist indeed indeed indeed... for even "jesus" declared himself as "one with any father", or the same as, so therefore, NO FATHER AS "GOD" TO EXIST, AS HUMANS SO WANT TO MAKE IT... it certainly seems incredulous that religious self holy aspirations, cannot see their very self declared leader was "against religion". how it can be missed that "religion" in the story was what demanded his death, is beyond me, lol... Following the instructions of our father is not "religion". It is only referred to as such because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. Religion is a general word for a belief in a God. The word the lord has given us isn't "religion", again it is only placed in that category because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah....so do you follow the instructions of Allah? ... There is but one father or in secular terms, there is but one God. I stated nothing about there being more than one God..I stated that God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah ....so do you follow the instructions handed down by Allah? I do not know the name of our father. It is irrelevant, unimportant. Jesus referred to our father exactly as that, father. So if Jesus only referred to him as such, it is apparent that is all that is required. If he has a name I will learn it one day when I see him face to face. |
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quite ironic, how divinty shall step foward and fight for the athiests, creating the abolishment of ALL religions from the face of the planet earth. well ....God is an Atheist indeed indeed indeed... for even "jesus" declared himself as "one with any father", or the same as, so therefore, NO FATHER AS "GOD" TO EXIST, AS HUMANS SO WANT TO MAKE IT... it certainly seems incredulous that religious self holy aspirations, cannot see their very self declared leader was "against religion". how it can be missed that "religion" in the story was what demanded his death, is beyond me, lol... Following the instructions of our father is not "religion". It is only referred to as such because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. Religion is a general word for a belief in a God. The word the lord has given us isn't "religion", again it is only placed in that category because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah....so do you follow the instructions of Allah? ... There is but one father or in secular terms, there is but one God. I stated nothing about there being more than one God..I stated that God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah ....so do you follow the instructions handed down by Allah? I do not know the name of our father. It is irrelevant, unimportant. Jesus referred to our father exactly as that, father. So if Jesus only referred to him as such, it is apparent that is all that is required. If he has a name I will learn it one day when I see him face to face. again I didn't ask what God name was....I stated that God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah ...so do you follow the instructions of Allah ...it's a question that only requires a simple yes or no answer |
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quite ironic, how divinty shall step foward and fight for the athiests, creating the abolishment of ALL religions from the face of the planet earth. well ....God is an Atheist indeed indeed indeed... for even "jesus" declared himself as "one with any father", or the same as, so therefore, NO FATHER AS "GOD" TO EXIST, AS HUMANS SO WANT TO MAKE IT... it certainly seems incredulous that religious self holy aspirations, cannot see their very self declared leader was "against religion". how it can be missed that "religion" in the story was what demanded his death, is beyond me, lol... Following the instructions of our father is not "religion". It is only referred to as such because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. Religion is a general word for a belief in a God. The word the lord has given us isn't "religion", again it is only placed in that category because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah....so do you follow the instructions of Allah? ... There is but one father or in secular terms, there is but one God. I stated nothing about there being more than one God..I stated that God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah ....so do you follow the instructions handed down by Allah? I do not know the name of our father. It is irrelevant, unimportant. Jesus referred to our father exactly as that, father. So if Jesus only referred to him as such, it is apparent that is all that is required. If he has a name I will learn it one day when I see him face to face. again I didn't ask what God name was....I stated that God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah ...so do you follow the instructions of Allah ...it's a question that only requires a simple yes or no answer And I said no, i do not know the name of our father for Jesus never said the name nor is it mentioned through out the bible. |
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quite ironic, how divinty shall step foward and fight for the athiests, creating the abolishment of ALL religions from the face of the planet earth. well ....God is an Atheist indeed indeed indeed... for even "jesus" declared himself as "one with any father", or the same as, so therefore, NO FATHER AS "GOD" TO EXIST, AS HUMANS SO WANT TO MAKE IT... it certainly seems incredulous that religious self holy aspirations, cannot see their very self declared leader was "against religion". how it can be missed that "religion" in the story was what demanded his death, is beyond me, lol... Following the instructions of our father is not "religion". It is only referred to as such because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. Religion is a general word for a belief in a God. The word the lord has given us isn't "religion", again it is only placed in that category because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah....so do you follow the instructions of Allah? ... There is but one father or in secular terms, there is but one God. In circles where the term Allah is used (arabic for GOD) the term Abbah is also applied (Arabic for father when applied speaking of GOD as the 'father'). So you see yall ain't that much different. Abraham and his tribes are the root of both. not only are you not that much different but both religions have a tendency to bring 'conversion' by the sword, force, violence and intimidation. (Cause the rank and file tend to allow the extremes to determine 'forward' for their religion) ... Kinda like Americans allow the 'extremes' to determine 'foward' for our Nation. Which is why we are in a hole. |
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quite ironic, how divinty shall step foward and fight for the athiests, creating the abolishment of ALL religions from the face of the planet earth. well ....God is an Atheist indeed indeed indeed... for even "jesus" declared himself as "one with any father", or the same as, so therefore, NO FATHER AS "GOD" TO EXIST, AS HUMANS SO WANT TO MAKE IT... it certainly seems incredulous that religious self holy aspirations, cannot see their very self declared leader was "against religion". how it can be missed that "religion" in the story was what demanded his death, is beyond me, lol... Following the instructions of our father is not "religion". It is only referred to as such because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. Religion is a general word for a belief in a God. The word the lord has given us isn't "religion", again it is only placed in that category because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah....so do you follow the instructions of Allah? ... There is but one father or in secular terms, there is but one God. In circles where the term Allah is used (arabic for GOD) the term Abbah is also applied (Arabic for father when applied speaking of GOD as the 'father'). So you see yall ain't that much different. Abraham and his tribes are the root of both. not only are you not that much different but both religions have a tendency to bring 'conversion' by the sword, force, violence and intimidation. (Cause the rank and file tend to allow the extremes to determine 'forward' for their religion) ... Kinda like Americans allow the 'extremes' to determine 'foward' for our Nation. Which is why we are in a hole. That would then mean Allah isn't our father's "name". For the word allah translates to "god". That would be like me translating the word manzana to be the name of an apple when in fact the word manzana is spanish for the word apple. Manzan would then not be it's "name" but yet another word for apple itself. Therefore manzan would be descriptive of what the object is, just as allah is descriptive to our father not specifically his name. |
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quite ironic, how divinty shall step foward and fight for the athiests, creating the abolishment of ALL religions from the face of the planet earth. well ....God is an Atheist indeed indeed indeed... for even "jesus" declared himself as "one with any father", or the same as, so therefore, NO FATHER AS "GOD" TO EXIST, AS HUMANS SO WANT TO MAKE IT... it certainly seems incredulous that religious self holy aspirations, cannot see their very self declared leader was "against religion". how it can be missed that "religion" in the story was what demanded his death, is beyond me, lol... Following the instructions of our father is not "religion". It is only referred to as such because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. Religion is a general word for a belief in a God. The word the lord has given us isn't "religion", again it is only placed in that category because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah....so do you follow the instructions of Allah? ... There is but one father or in secular terms, there is but one God. In circles where the term Allah is used (arabic for GOD) the term Abbah is also applied (Arabic for father when applied speaking of GOD as the 'father'). So you see yall ain't that much different. Abraham and his tribes are the root of both. not only are you not that much different but both religions have a tendency to bring 'conversion' by the sword, force, violence and intimidation. (Cause the rank and file tend to allow the extremes to determine 'forward' for their religion) ... Kinda like Americans allow the 'extremes' to determine 'foward' for our Nation. Which is why we are in a hole. That would then mean Allah isn't our father's "name". For the word allah translates to "god". Isn't that what I said...? |
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quite ironic, how divinty shall step foward and fight for the athiests, creating the abolishment of ALL religions from the face of the planet earth. well ....God is an Atheist indeed indeed indeed... for even "jesus" declared himself as "one with any father", or the same as, so therefore, NO FATHER AS "GOD" TO EXIST, AS HUMANS SO WANT TO MAKE IT... it certainly seems incredulous that religious self holy aspirations, cannot see their very self declared leader was "against religion". how it can be missed that "religion" in the story was what demanded his death, is beyond me, lol... Following the instructions of our father is not "religion". It is only referred to as such because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. Religion is a general word for a belief in a God. The word the lord has given us isn't "religion", again it is only placed in that category because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah....so do you follow the instructions of Allah? ... There is but one father or in secular terms, there is but one God. In circles where the term Allah is used (arabic for GOD) the term Abbah is also applied (Arabic for father when applied speaking of GOD as the 'father'). So you see yall ain't that much different. Abraham and his tribes are the root of both. not only are you not that much different but both religions have a tendency to bring 'conversion' by the sword, force, violence and intimidation. (Cause the rank and file tend to allow the extremes to determine 'forward' for their religion) ... Kinda like Americans allow the 'extremes' to determine 'foward' for our Nation. Which is why we are in a hole. That would then mean Allah isn't our father's "name". For the word allah translates to "god". Isn't that what I said...? Wasn't sure of your goal with the post of "God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah....so do you follow the instructions of Allah? .." So was just clarifying that it isn't specifically his name, but yet another word for the general word of God. It's descriptive, not an exact name of a being. |
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i list below the proper etiquette for evangelizing the world...
of course, this would only apply to any that use a book to prove itself as divine, itself speaking the ONE TRUTH OF GOD, having divine truth that should RULE 6.9 BILLION BRAINS AND BODIES... hello... MY NAME IS_________________________________________ insert name here, or "god" for short may i take control of your brain, and your body... i am the divine brain of planet earth. please at this point, provide proper credentials. just an idea. hey... such would eliminate the delusions of elf grandeaur, and make easier to see the dictaterous personalities of earth, and provode total honesty about the motive. now there nothing wrong about being honest about one's motive... why, even text said, to be honest about the self motive. ditto's gazitto's perhaps all the brain controllers together in a gazeebo, eating gazitto's, doing ditto's together... yea.... freedom.... divide the world in half, and put all that want to control other brains per self feelers on one half, and all that want to live and let live, on the other half... damn... that would solve it... ****... how's that gonna happen. 
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quite ironic, how divinty shall step foward and fight for the athiests, creating the abolishment of ALL religions from the face of the planet earth. well ....God is an Atheist indeed indeed indeed... for even "jesus" declared himself as "one with any father", or the same as, so therefore, NO FATHER AS "GOD" TO EXIST, AS HUMANS SO WANT TO MAKE IT... it certainly seems incredulous that religious self holy aspirations, cannot see their very self declared leader was "against religion". how it can be missed that "religion" in the story was what demanded his death, is beyond me, lol... Following the instructions of our father is not "religion". It is only referred to as such because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. Religion is a general word for a belief in a God. The word the lord has given us isn't "religion", again it is only placed in that category because of atheists and or people of other beliefs. God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah....so do you follow the instructions of Allah? ... There is but one father or in secular terms, there is but one God. I stated nothing about there being more than one God..I stated that God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah ....so do you follow the instructions handed down by Allah? I do not know the name of our father. It is irrelevant, unimportant. Jesus referred to our father exactly as that, father. So if Jesus only referred to him as such, it is apparent that is all that is required. If he has a name I will learn it one day when I see him face to face. again I didn't ask what God name was....I stated that God goes by many names and one of those names is Allah ...so do you follow the instructions of Allah ...it's a question that only requires a simple yes or no answer And I said no, i do not know the name of our father for Jesus never said the name nor is it mentioned through out the bible. you claim that following the instructions of God is not a religion ..if that is true then explain why you don't now follow the instructions handed down by God after the crucifixion in the Koran |
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Davidben wrote:
for even "jesus" declared himself as "one with any father", or the same as, so therefore, NO FATHER AS "GOD" TO EXIST, AS HUMANS SO WANT TO MAKE IT... Truly. That is precisely what Jesus taught. If Jesus and the father are one, then there is no 'father' beyond the human condition. That's precisely what Jesus was saying. That's a pantheistic statement that the Christian (the authors of the New Testament) never understood. Cowboy wrote:
And I said no, i do not know the name of our father for Jesus never said the name nor is it mentioned through out the bible. Well, why focus on Jesus? 
If you subscribe to the idea that the Holy Cannon of Stories we call the Bible is the "Word of God" then God's name is Jealous. [color] Exod.34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: It clearly states right in the Old Testament that the LORD's name is Jealous. Unless of course you either don't believe the Bible is the "Word of God", or you don't believe it is inerrant. Otherwise, the Biblical God's name is Jealous. There's no need to look to Jesus for God's name. Besides, why do you focus on Jesus? Jesus was merely the Son of God. You are not supposed to be worshiping Jesus, or idolizing him in any way, you are supposed to love the God of the Old Testament with all your heart, mind, body and soul. Jesus was merely his half-son. Jesus was half-human and necessarily had to be in order to claim his genetic inheritance from King David. So Jesus was a mere demigod. Jesus could not have been "The Father" in this fable as others have claimed. It simply doesn't fit in with the rest of the fable. The only way to believe that Jesus and the Father are truly One is to go with the pantheistic view of God as Davidben has so wisely illustrated above. But then that brings us face-to-face with my theory that Jesus was indeed a Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva which makes perfect sense. It certainly makes far more sense then the idea of a demigod claiming that he is the same as the father. That would be like Apollo claiming that he was Zeus, or Hercules claiming that he was Zeus. |
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