Hitting is unpleasant???

UNPLEASANT?

Well all those abused women out there will be glad to know that it is just UNPLEASANT to be hit out of love for their betterment.

Spanking does set the stage for that kind of relationship really well, you have to say.

Like I said, it is absurdity to make someone who is littler than you believe you hit them because you love them.

Sorry it is a long enduring absurdity of the human condition.

And there is no justification for it.

None.

its subjective, its justified for me as the spanker and as the spanked

its not justified for you


and thats fine


NONE of my brothers would ever raise a finger to a woman and we all were spanked,,,,,,as I said before, there is a huge leap from swatting a well padded behind(in a child that falls on it just as often) and punching or slapping a woman in her body or face(injuries she probably wouldnt regularly be imposing upon herself)

assuming that being spanked leads people to be violent is like assuming that lack of spanking ensures people wont be,,,,

Actually teaching non violence does lead to less violence.

Corporal punishment


In many cultures, parents have historically had the right to spank their children when appropriate. Attitudes and legislation in some countries have changed in recent years, particularly in continental Europe. Domestic corporal punishment has now (2009) been outlawed in 24 countries around the world, beginning with Sweden in 1979. Most of these 24 countries are in Europe or Latin America. Thirty years after Sweden's ban, official figures show that just 10 percent of Swedish children are spanked or otherwise struck by their parents today. More than 90 percent of Swedish children were smacked prior to the ban.[10] The Swedish law does not actually lay down any legal punishment for smacking but requires social workers to support families with problems.[10] However, the law has not prevented assaults on children in Sweden from increasing significantly in recent years.[11]

In North America, Britain and much of the rest of the English-speaking world, corporal punishment remains highly controversial. In the United States, corporal punishment of children by their parents remains lawful in all 50 states.

The effectiveness of corporal punishment is disputed. Those opposed to spanking[who?] argue that other methods of child discipline are both more humane and more effective than physical punishment such as spanking. Some studies have suggested that spanking may lead to more misbehaviour in the long run, and some researchers have linked what they describe as "authoritarian" child-rearing with children who withdraw, lack spontaneity, and have lesser evidence of conscience.[12][13][14][15]

Hitting is violence, there is no love there.

Teaching problem solving without violence really needs to start with the parents and then the children can learn it also.

It doesn't say he used his hands, though. When I was a kid (and when my dad was a kid) they used a paddle or a belt, which is more likely what happened here. I'll wait to hear more before making a firm judgement in that regard.

it isnt problem solving it is DISCIPLINE

as far as spanking leading to violence, that has in no way been PROVEN anymore than its been proven that non spanked children are less violent

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CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) — April 26, 1996 - 4:09 a.m. EDT

Violence in society could be reduced if parents gave up spanking, according to a study released at a University of North Carolina conference on child discipline.

Spanking has the opposite of its intended purpose and often leads to increased misbehavior, according to researchers Murray Straus of the University of New Hampshire and David Sugarman of Texas Christian University.

``When you correct bad behavior with violence, you encourage more violence,'' Straus said.

The study was released Thursday at a conference sponsored by the UNC-Chapel Hill School of Medicine and Injury Prevention Research Center.

Straus has several theories as to why spanking may lead to more violence.

Children who are spanked often will behave only when there is a threat of being struck, leading to a less-developed conscience, he said. When the parent is not around, the child is apt to misbehave.

Also, spanking teaches children it's OK to hit people to resolve conflict, Straus contended.

``We're telling them that if something goes wrong, lash out,'' he said.

Ultimately, spanking leads to less-developed methods of working out problems, Straus said.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/149274/

they charged him with a 4th degree sexual assault... i think it was because his hand. or maybe because he wanted to bend her over his knee. not sure why the charged him with that.

Experts: Spanking Harms Children, Especially Girls

By Melinda Rice

WEnews correspondent

Sunday, September 23, 2001

Wife beating is no longer acceptable, but in 23 states it is legal for school teachers and officials to spank and paddle girls, a form of corporal punishment that advocates say leads to violence in adult lives.

Jordan Riak

(WOMENSENEWS)--A growing body of evidence indicates that perhaps the parent or authority figure who uses the rod, spoils, or at least harms, the child, especially a girl child.

In fact, a growing number of experts believe that children, in general, and girls, in particular, should not be spanked at home or subjected to corporal punishment at school. Experts say such spankings can precondition girls to accept violence and boys to rely on it.

All studies show that boys are spanked significantly more than girls, but there are special concerns with girls who are spanked. Of particular concern is the sexual aspect of spanking girls.

"When a girl is spanked by her father or paddled by a male school teacher, she is being trained to submit," says Jordan Riak, a retired school teacher and the executive director of Parents and Teachers Against Violence in Education, a California-based nonprofit group dedicated to getting corporal punishment banned in U.S. schools.

"When a school district permits teachers to paddle girls, it is setting those girls up to be victims of future male authority figures, whether it be a boyfriend, husband or employer," Riak claims.

Corporal punishment is legal to varying degrees, for different causes and up to different ages in 23 states: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas and Wyoming.

One woman writes of her experience with paddling at a Florida high school in a letter posted on the Parents and Teachers Against Violence in Education Web site. She describes how she was made to bend over a male administrator's desk while wearing a miniskirt and was ordered to spread her legs further apart. While another male administrator watched, the paddler first caressed her buttocks with the paddle, then delivered

Spanking and Deviate Behaviors
Link Between Physical Punishment and Risky Sexual Behaviors

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90% of Children Are Spanked by Parents - ablestock.com
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Murray Strauss, author of the research studies, hopes that this information will get the attention of child development experts.

Can spanking actually cause someone to have deviate behaviors in adulthood? The answer seems to be yes.
American Psychological Association Summit Discusses Spanking

Murray Strauss, author of four studies on spanking, presented at the American Psychological Association’s Summit on Violence and Abuse in Relationships in Bethesda, Maryland on February 28, 2008. The results of the studies are amazing. All studies state that sexual behaviors are somehow linked to spanking.

"This adds one more harmful side effect to spanking. It’s amazing. Something experienced by all American kids gets an average of half a page in child development textbooks, and not a single one comes to the conclusion that parents should never spank," said Dr. Strauss in his presentation.
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Strauss is the co-director of the Family Research Laboratory at the University of New Hampshire in Durham. [Amanda Gardner, "HealthDay", health.msn.com, February 28, 2008]
Dr. Benjamin Spock

The damage of spanking is not a new topic in child development. Over a generation ago, Dr. Benjamin Spock repeatedly stated, "If we are ever to turn toward a kindlier society and a safer world, a revulsion against the physical punishment of children would be a good place to start." [stophitting.com]
University of Michigan

Assistant Professor Elizabeth Gershoff at the University of Michigan’s School of Social Work states, "I think it (the research) is pretty powerful. It’s across several studies and across different forms of either risky or deviant sexual behavior." [Amanda Gardner, "HealthDay", health.msn.com, February 28, 2008]

Gershoff found that there is a 93% agreement among studies on spanking. It is rare to find to find such agreement in research. Overwhelming research shows that spanking can lead to:
Read on

* Corporal Discipline Not an Effective Strategy
* Parenting With Positive Discipline Methods
* Spanking and Physical Discipline

* Delinquent behavior
* Anti-social behavior
* Aggression
* Criminal behavior
* Spousal abuse
* Child abuse

Frequent spanking and corporal punishment have been shown to lead to:

* Increased probability of coercing a dating partner to have sex
* Risky sex (not using protection)
* Masochistic sex

Schools using corporal punishment should perhaps rethink this policy as a form of discipline.

[Amanda Gardner, "HealthDay", health.msn.com, February 28, 2008]
Correlation?

Is there a correlation between frequency of the spankings and deviant behaviors? Strauss states that there is a "dose response." "The more parents spank, the higher the probability of harmful side effects," says Strauss.

How many children are spanked? 90% of parents who have toddlers state that they spank their children.

Is there a link to childhood spanking and adult violence? Yes, there does seem to be a correlation.

* 5% of those who were never spanked hit their partners.
* 25% of those who were spanked hit their partners.

[Amanda Gardner, "HealthDay", health.msn.com, February 28, 2008]
Alternatives To Spanking

Non-violent behavior management works as well as spanking and has no harmful side effects.

* 1-2-3-Magic works beautifully with younger children.
* John Rosemond, author and psychologist, offers successful alternatives to spanking.
* Love and Logic has been very successful in schools and homes.

For more information on alternatives to spanking, visit Center for Effective Discipline

Read more at Suite101: Spanking and Deviate Behaviors: Link Between Physical Punishment and Risky Sexual Behaviors http://educationalissues.suite101.com/article.cfm/spanking_and_deviate_behaviors#ixzz0vUJWIIEq

the pro spanking crowd has studies too,,

According to a new study by Marjorie Gunnoe, professor of psychology at Calvin College in Grand Rapids, Michigan, children who were spanked up to age six are more likely as teens to perform better in school, conduct volunteer work and want to go to college than their peers who had never been spanked.

Not surprisingly, children who continued to be disciplined physically into adolescence are not happier and more successful; instead, they show clear behavioral problems.

Children’s groups and lawmakers around the world have long claimed spanking is a form of abuse that causes long-term harm to children. In the UK, such groups want to have “physical chastisement by parents” outlawed, to send a clear message that violence in any form is unacceptable.

Professor Gunnoe disagrees with that notion, arguing that parents should have the freedom to use spanking as an occasional disciplinary tool.

“The claims made [against] spanking children fail to hold up. They are not consistent with the data,” said Gunnoe. “…Spanking [is] a dangerous tool, but there are times when there is a job big enough for a dangerous tool. You just don’t use it for all your jobs.”

http://www.northstarnational.com/2010/01/08/spanking-acceptable-form-discipline/


there are no absolutes in child rearing with the exception of molestation

children who are BEATEN ( hit into middle and high school) probably take a different lesson away from it than CHILDREN who are SPANKED (during the formative and early education years)

if ANY form of discipline is still NEEDED past elementary,, it probably isnt working for ya, whatever it is,,,

my last spanking was at age six, and in my childhood I guarantee my behind made forceful contact with the ground during playtime than it ever did with my parents hands or belt,,,,

more?

not necessary, studies and numbers can show whatever the poster wishes them to


I am sure we both are aware,,,,



it still comes down to giving children a balance of discipline and love and its an individual choice whose only true gauge is in how healthy and happy THAT child turns out,,,

Hitting is not loving someone, no matter who they are.

SPANKING TEACHES SHORT-TERM LESSON, BUT LONG-TERM VIOLENCE
By Murray Straus, Ph.D.
July 24, 1999

The writer is the Co-Director of the Family Research Laboratory at the University of New Hampshire and a former president of the National Council on Family Relations. He is the author of Beating The Devil Out of Them: Corporal Punishment In American Families.

Oklahoma and Nevada recently passed laws to remind parents and teachers that they have the right to use corporal punishment such as spanking and slapping children. These laws were prompted by the recent shootings in schools. As one Oklahoma legislator reasoned, "Back when I grew up, we got our tails whipped at school, then got it again when we got home. We didn't have shootings."

This opinion does not square with the fact that seven of the eight school shooting sprees in the last three years occurred in states that do use corporal punishment in the schools. However, since only a very small fraction of murders by youth are in schools, I decided to check on all murders by children age 17 and under in each of the states.

If the Oklahoma and Nevada legislators are correct, the states that permit the widest use of corporal punishment should have the lowest rate of homicides by children. But if the research on corporal punishment that has been conducted over the last 45 years is correct, those states are likely to have the most murders by children. To find out which is true, I classified the states into three groups on the basis of the degree to which they permitted corporal punishment: The low group are states that prohibit corporal punishment in the schools and also in day care, group homes, and foster care (no state prohibits corporal punishment by parents). The middle group permitted corporal punishment in only one of these settings, and the high group permitted it in two or more of these settings. I found that the rate of murders by children was 13 per million in the low corporal punishment states, was 19 per million (or 46 percent higher) in the middle group, and almost doubled to 24 in the high corporal punishment states.

It seems that, instead of being a deterrent, corporal punishment provides an example for children. When parents or teachers hit children for misbehaving, it teaches the child that if someone misbehaves towards them (an everyday event in the lives of children), hitting is a way to correct the problem. Corporal punishment also creates resentment and anger in many children, which further increases the probability of violence.

Spanking does work in the short run. However, the research which shows that spanking works also shows that non-violent methods of discipline work just as well. So there is no need to use corporal punishment. But what about the long-run effect? Parents spank to stop misbehavior and also to "teach a lesson." Spanking does teach a lesson, but study after study in the past 40 years provides evidence suggesting, but not proving, that children also learn violence and other antisocial behavior. However, 1997 marked a turning point in research on spanking.

Since 1997 five studies have used the amount of misbehavior that led to the corporal punishment as the baseline. These studies then reexamined children after a year, two years, or five years to determine if things had stayed the same, changed for the better, or gotten worse. My own study, and all others, found that, on average, the behavior of the children of parents who spanked got worse. Of course some spanked children improved and some whose parents used other modes of discipline got worse. But on the average, spanking boomeranged. These studies are especially important because all were based on large and representative samples of families, and all took into account many other factors that affect the behavior of children, such as the education level of the parents, and whether the parents were also emotionally warm and supportive.

Yes, spanking teaches a lesson. Unfortunately, there is also a hidden curriculum. It is the teaching of violence. If we want a less violent society, one of the many steps is to stop bringing up children by the violent methods that go under the euphemism of spanking.
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"When a child hits a child, we call it aggression. When a child hits an adult, we call it hostility. When an adult hits an adult, we call it assault. When an adult hits a child, we call it discipline." -Haim G. Ginot

when misused it teaches violence,

When parents or teachers hit children for misbehaving, it teaches the child that if someone misbehaves towards them (an everyday event in the lives of children), hitting is a way to correct the problem??

ONLY if children are raised to think that everyone else including other children and themselves are on equal par to their parents

I was very clear on the difference between my parents role in my life and my relationship to some randome 'someone'

. HITTING MODELS HITTING There is a classic story about the mother who believed in spanking as a necessary part of discipline until one day she observed her three- year-old daughter hitting her one-year-old son. When confronted, her daughter said, "I'm just playing mommy." This mother never spanked another child.

Spanking does for a child's development what wife beating does for a marriage.