So if we go solely by the gospels we're going by the words of other men who may or may not have had a clue what they were talking about. Clearly the gospels are quite belated hearsay.

Maybe Jesus was never a baby! Now how absurd can that thought be

Interesting debate for the sake of debate. Personally, I believe much of the argument about a walking and talking baby jesus is based, again, on our wordly understandings. It is possibly a cute sidebar but , for me anyhow, it seems 'obvious' or at least 'logical' that for Jesus to go through the human experience he was created human and developed as a human. None of that , however, would take away from the significance of who he GREW up to be. To be Lord and savior did not require him to be a superbaby,,it required his experience to be an example to believers.

Jesus was God made to flesh. Jesus was fully God and he was fully man. He was sent to earth to provide his word of truth. If you have seen Jesus you have seen God. You cant limit who God is because How can man understand the Almighty God who created all things. It is beyond our comprehension. God was looking to show man How a righteous man should live his life by example. He had all the temptations and still was obedient to the father.

God is multifacited he is The father Jahovah and he sent his son Jesus and he is everyehere in the Holy spirit.

How can one man search the wonder's of understanding fully the Almighty God?

The secret is the kindom of heaven is within you. via the Holy Spirit. So learn about God thru Jesus because what he says is the truth. Just talk to him it will surprise you why ask people?

Don't forget the delusion insult that was thrown at someone for them merely expressing their belief. Or the insinuation that I wanted pre-teens to read Harlequinn ... no idea where that came from.

To be Lord and savior did not require him to be a superbaby,,

but if you want argue about something you should at least have some foundation in the facts of the argument instead of just whimsy that you thought up in the middle of the night

dismissing the Arian Controversy because you just didnt want to mess with it is ignorance

Jesus was God made to flesh. Jesus was fully God and he was fully man.

Don't forget the delusion insult that was thrown at someone for them merely expressing their belief. Or the insinuation that I wanted pre-teens to read Harlequinn ... no idea where that came from.

Philippians 2:7
but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

(of offspring) generated by procreation; "naturally begotten child"
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Begotten means human. Created by SEX.

well let's just say that according to the belief god supposedly filled mary with his holy spirit and then Jesus was conceived

Jesus is whatever each individual wants him to be.

If that's the way it actually worked out in practice it would be great.

Unfortunately that's not how it ends up working out. It can become quite hostile and a basis for extreme bigotry.

Even when I used to be a Christian I found myself defending Jesus from the "Christians" who used him as an excuse to judge and bully other people.

I was bullied myself by Christians simply because I didn't interpret Jesus as a monster.

Try telling a Christian that you're not a sinner and see how that goes over. Yes according to the Bible Jesus washed away our sins.

I guess they didn't believe that part.

I think the reason that most decent people find Jesus attractive in the first place is precisely because he denounced the old teachings of Yahweh. People didn't like the idea of having to stone sinners to death.

There's the parable of Jesus at the well telling people who are without sin to cast the first stone. Suppose I was there and stood up and told Jesus that I am without sin and then asked him if HE wants me to throw a stone at the woman.

After all, who's idea was it to stone sinners to death in the first place?

Supposedly that was a commandment from God. So does God want us to stone sinners to death or not?

It's stupid.

You have a god commanding us to stone sinners to death and then turning around and acting like it was our frigg'in idea in the first place.

I don't want to stone anyone to death. So does God want us to stone people to death or not?

Yahweh says YES.

Jesus says NO.

Sounds like two entirely different opinions to me. A God that can't even make up his mind?

The New Testament tries to make out like it's the mob's idea to stone the sinners to death. But that was supposed to be God's directive! The whole story is an oxymoron.

A God that teaches people to behave in such a manner and then acts like it was their idea!

And then he has the audacity to say that he has not come to change the laws and that not one jot nor one tittle shall pass from law?

There's something horribly wrong with the whole story if you ask me.

I think Jesus just tried to teach people some civility in spite of their horrible religion and ended up being crucified for it. Then later they used him as a dead patsy to prop it back up again by writing the so-called 'gospels' that clearly contain fabrications as well as outright made-up lies.

The book clearly contains lies. There can be no doubt about that whatsoever. Matthew and Luke told totally different accounts of what happened to Judas. One claims he toss the money down in the temple and went off and hanged himself, the other one claims that Judas accepted the money, bought a field, and died from a fall.

Somebody is making things up! These authors clearly can't be trusted to know what they are talking about. They lie.

The book is clearly not the infalliable word of any God.

Sorry, but it's right there in the doctrine.

unfortunetly those individuals form armies to force it to work for them