Msharmony ....since I make it a point to debate the bible as if everything written in it is logical and truth you wouldn't be able to find anything anyway

also if God came to Earth as Jesus what possible reason would it be to come except to interfer in Man's supposed "Free Will"

Of course, because your logic is perfectly infallible, even ten pages of it,,,so I will move on from that point and try to remember.

AS to your point that Gods presence as Jesus would have to be for the purpose of interfering with free will, I think you misunderstand what free will is or you are using an INCREDIBLY broad definition of interfere. If my doctor recommends a treatment for me, I still have the CHOICE or FREE WILL To decide to take it or not. IN a broad sense, someone could argue the difference between involvement and interference. I , however, would be grateful to have my doctor be involved in giving me sound information from which to make a CHOICE. Free Will is only as significant as the information available from which to make sound choices,, in my opinion. Therefore any attempt to provide choices, is not interference, just involvement that in the end will contribute along with my FREE will in my choices.
..and now, I will exercise my FREE WILL, by choosing to take myself to work.....good day

Msharmony...if you are a believer in god and your doctor claim to be god....I'm interested in the choice you now would make


now rememeber ....you are in your doctor's office and your doctor said that he was god...not doctor god like alec baldwin said in the movie "Malice"...but that he was the god in the old testament ...would that interfer in the choice you would make about the treament that god said that you need

this is so exciting ..I can't wait to read this answer

Msharmony...explain what "Free Will" do humans have that animals don't

Hi and much respect to you,

Jesus was and is the Son of God.

Are you a true seeker of understanding who Jesus is or just a septic? Either way I would love to have open hoest dialouge with you on this subject and can provide you with plenty of materials to study if you are really intersted in getting correct understanding about this.

Abda

the thread does not dispute Jesus being the son....the debate is about the claim that Jesus is god or that the baby jesus was omniscient and/or omnipotent

No, it would not interfere with my free will, it might influence my choice though. Free will and choice are being used interchangably, but free will is what allows us to make CHOICE for ourselves based upon available information. Being supplied information does not at all interfere with being able to make your own choice.

I dont know the purpose of the question,, but Im game. Humans have free will to do or not do what is best for their own survival. Animals have a much,,,more limited, free will to survive. Surviving is the only information they have, so their choices are limited and thus,, their free wil.

saying that it would not influence and then saying that it might is a contradiction...but either way if the possibility exist that god being your doctor may influence your choice takes away "Free Will"

a believer in god would have to do what god recommend without question ..this is why claiming that Jesus is God takes away "free Will" aka "Free Choice"

if Doctor God told you that you needed a treatment are you saying that it's a chance that you would defy him and not do it

Is this for real or is it a punked type thread????

I dont know..lol. Seems like confusion about what free will means to me. Circular arguments that are going nowhere fast,,,,

All information influences our CHOICES, having choices , by definition is having free will.It doesnt matter what choice you are persuaded to make, only matters that the choice was your own and you were FREE to come to the conclusion or make the choice freely. There is no plainer way to explain the difference.

the only point I'm trying to make is animals have "Free Will aka Free Choice just like humans ..that it wasn't something special that god supposedly gave humans

placing you in a jungle or desert situation with no technology or weapons along side with an animal the same size and strength as you is what determines who's best at survival...not free will ...more like the will to survive

Lilth...to place the thread in a context that you would possible understand...let's say that it's a harlequin romance thread about the possible seduction of the virgin mary by the fabio type romeo Joseph which resulted in an non-omniscient baby Jesus

the bottom line is that you as a believer in god will not follow god without question ...also I'm also curious if the doctor did claim to be god would you just take his word for it ...since he is a doctor healing the sick is out of the equation...so how could the doctor convince you that he is god

That sounds like you're delusional. Which was why I asked if this was for real. I'm not certain you're grounded in reality, you insult anyone who has an opinion, and you bait people to arguments. But then again, delusional implies incompetence, whereas this just seems to be personality thing.

As a believer, I have the FREE WILL to choose to follow God or not and as a believer, it would be the choice I made because I wanted to not because I was made to. I would not believe the doctor was God unless I felt inside that it were true. People can claim to be whomever they wish but the best judgment is their behavior and actions. I would need to observe or know more about this doctor than just his CLAIM that he was God.

Lilth....that probably the same thing the pharisees say to Jesus

for Jesus and I are one ...funches 3:16

animals also have the free will not to follow god but as a believer in god you are supposed to folow his every command or you're not a believer

Msharmony...like what for instance? ..what would he have to do to convince you