I hope for your sake this is true. Unfortunately many have a hard time trying to accept this truth you offer of Jesus.

Some believe as a truth that Jesus was real as a human being trying to change the minds of his people to resolve situations in a different fashion that doesn't involve violence.

Some believe he is the son of God as the bible teaches

Some believe he was God.

Some believe he never existed and was written by somekind of Roman. Forgot his name at the moment.

Some believe he is being confused with a different prophet.

So there is your list of different beliefs. What you believe is something you are sharing with many other followers. If it makes you happy then that is important.

I'm sorry, you didn't understand my meaning.

Yes, lots of people believe different things about Jesus. Those are just beliefs.

My point is that there is an absolute truth. Maybe it's not even known. But there is an absolute truth. So you can believe whatever you want about Jesus, but there is a truth. I believe that the truth can be known, but that's another subject. My point is that "Jesus is whatever each individual wants him to be." is a fallacious statement, because a truth does exist and belief does not make truth.

Jesus didn't display in the bible anymore intelligence than the average human ....it was a couple of times he almost was stoned

Moses did the same thing as Jesus and didn't have to get killed to accomplish it

And the truth lies in the bible is what you are saying. Can this be correct?

You see people who believe in something usually believe that is the truth for them. Of course people who have different beliefs will call it incorrect or wrong. A contradiction at its best.

Actually, there is quite a bit.



That's not true.

Could you show me where in the post that I said that?

I'm not stating what the truth is, but I will and you already know what I'll say. What I'm saying is that truth exists and shouldn't be ignored.

You did not state that. I am asking you if this truth you are talking about is from the bible?

Actually it doesn't really matter to me.

I am sure that many people have a "truth" about Jesus. The problem is that not everyone will agree. That is something you will have to live with.

In the end what is important is you can live with yourself and enjoy the time given to you regardless on what Jesus did, was, and is now.

Good luck on preaching what you believe to be true.

spidercmb...back in the bibical days if you as a human popped out of the womb you were created by sex ...Adam and Eve are examples of being created without sex

if Adam and eve can be created without a womb and still go through the human experience, to then say that Jesus as God needed to be born out of the womb lessens the God

My post was about epistemology, not religion. There is a difference. You haven't understood my point, I think you are jumping to conclusions based on what you THINK my point is. My point is that truth exists, therefore a statement like "Jesus is whatever each individual wants him to be." is nonsense.

I didn't say Jesus had to be born through Mary. What's with you guys and putting words into my mouth?

I believe that Jesus was born through a woman to exist as an example for all men. The only possible way for Jesus to be an example to all mankind, would be for Jesus to be born, live and die as all mankind does.

Well, that has to be the bottom line as far as I'm concerned. And the Bible itself is already hearsay. There is not a single solitary word in the Bible that had actually been written by the man called Jesus. So the Bible is already hearsay.

Moreover, we see that Matthew and Luke told different stories concerning the actions and fate of the man named Judas. So there's no reason to believe that they knew any better of Jesus.

Besides, if Jesus was God (or sent by God) to have a message of such import that it would have an affect on the eternal fate of every man's soul, then why leave the message to be written down as hearsay by third-party mortal bozos?

If Jesus was God (or sent by God) with a message surely he would have written it down in his own words. The fact that he didn't is proof positive to me that he was neither God nor sent by God.

The entire Bible is nothing more than the hearsay of mortal men.

In the old testament that was excusable because supposedly God was spirit and had no choice but to communicate through mortal men. But in the case of Jesus that would have no longer been the case.

The very fact that the supposed message of Jesus had to have been wirtten down by mortal men rather than by Jesus himself says it all.

The story is a man-made gossip tale. Pure and simple.

At least this is my conclusion and some of the reasons why I arrive at it. Everyone is free to come to their own conclusions, of course.

Again I think I was fair with my replies and very friendly at the same time.

Each individual has a different opinion about Jesus that THEY believe to be true as a truth. I do not find that ridiculous, yet you do.

Whatever you believe as the "truth" about the history of this individual is yours to keep forever.

And as I have said before, if that works for you best to keep you going each and everyday then this is a good thing.

What you find ridiculous might be very serious for the other individual that takes it to heart to be happy in his life. Perhaps you can at least grant the individual his peace and solitude in his belief regardless if you don't agree. This would be called tolerance and leads to a greater chance of creating peace around the world if you practice it.


Again good luck on what you believe is true as the "truth" on the history of Jesus's path, lessons, and life.

spidercmb ...nothing in the scriptures about invitro-fertilization, also the holy ghost never made decisions on it's own or was even consider to have a mind of it's own...it was more like a power source which means if the holy spirit was place into Mary it was because God place it there....this is clearly the way Gods have sex

spidercmb...the only absolute truth is the existence of yourself to yourself and that doesn't include the existence of anything else but oneself therefore Jesus existence or purpose can not be regarded as being absolute truth

Well, not only that, but if we actually look at just the moral values that Jesus taught we see his teachings as being in almost perfect agreement with the teachings of the Buddha, and totally opposite to what had been taught be the Old Testament as the teachings of Yahweh.

Even the Gospels have Jesus disagreeing with Yahweh and agreeing with the moral values of Buddha.

Why would the Son of Yahweh disagree with his own teachings?

If we look at the parts of the gospels that try to make a case that Jesus was the Son of Yahweh we see that those parts of the gospels aren't even quoting the words of Jesus but instead are arguments given by the authors.

I don't see where Jesus ever claimed to have been born of a virgin, or to have been the son of Yahweh.

In fact, he said that "Before Abraham was I AM". That falls in line with the pantheistic views of Buddhism.

From my point of view, he could have been trying to say, "Look, we are all enternal spirit and we all have existed even before man made up his ficticious gods"

That's how I take that. Especially in light of the fact that Jesus also said, "Ye are gods". Why stress that if he wasn't thinking in term of pantheism?

I think the gospels were indeed gossip over a real man who did indeed try to preach the ways of Buddha and denounce the ways of Yahweh. I believe that there truly was a man who was nailed to a pole for having denounced the ways of Yahweh.

Was he the son of Yahweh?

Hardly. He didn't even agree with the teachings of Yahweh.

But he probably was highly educated in the ways of the Buddha.

you will be assimulated ...resistance is futile .....we are BORG

Pure rubbish.

spidercmb.....super-intelligent people that can only accomplish something by getting themselves killed...defeats the purpose of being super-intelligent

Who has the right to decide what someone's purpose truly is?

Really? I'd say the brighter some folks are, the less willing they might be to listen to the demands and/or expectations of others.