see this is why you don't understand the bible, i just insulted you and you didn't even see it. I was talking in parable about me talking to you on this forum. I would get the same kind of responce from a rock laying on the ground as i do from you if i was to go tell the rock the same thing i am trying to tell you.

Funches i will pray for your healing. If you don't think you're sick then you are more blind then i thought. I will pray for your blindness to what is true and ask God to open your eyes to the real truth.

spidercmb ...the concept of absolute truth can be explain if you answer this one question

do you "know" that you exist or do you "believe" that you exist

Cowboy...with a name like Funches it's nothing you could ever say that would insult me...anyway...to explain why a metaphor is the same as a lie .....how many metaphors are on your birth certificate

I have no idea, and i couldn't rightly care less. That birth certicate has no bareing anything to do with me. It's a frick'n piece of paper for us to show to people that we are who we say we are. I think what you don't get is the bible wasn't wrote by man or woman, it was written by God and is why it's nothing but truth. So i have no idea where you think that compareing it to a worthless little piece of paper that man wrote has anything to do with anything in this.

Funches,

Absolute truth has nothing to do with beliefs. It is a statement of reality. So if I just "believe" that Jesus exists, that doesn't effect the absolute truth that lies behind Jesus' existence.

Maybe the absolute truth is that Jesus never existed.

Maybe the absolute is that Jesus is God.

Belief does not effect the value of an absolute truth.

So while I believe that "Jesus is God" is an absolute truth, I'm not irrational or delusional for believing that without hard evidence. Even if I'm wrong and Jesus isn't God, I have come to the conclusion based on rational arguments and personal experience, so I'm not irrational or delusional to believe in Jesus.

Cowboy...sounds rather sad....but anyway unless you live in the forest you need an accurate birth certificate to play in this system ..

so again do your birth certificate have any metaphors on it

A birth certificate doesn't have metaphors, because a birth certificate has hard information that directly applies to this world.

The Bible contains parables and metaphors, because spiritual concepts must be understood and cannot be explained in spiritual terms. Humans cannot perceive the spiritual, so for us to understand the spiritual, it must be explained in terms that we understand.

Metaphor does not imply "untruth" as you are suggesting. Metaphors are a good technique for teaching someone a new concept. For instance, the metaphor "information super highway" is still used by writers to convey the concept of the internet to those who are unfamiliar with the internet. While that metaphor is poor and limited, it isn't false.

So you're saying that even God doesn't know whether Judas tossed the money down at the temple and went off and hanged himself, or whether he accepted the money, bought a field with it, and then fell to his death?

Spidercmb..the keyword is "believe" ...you can only claim to believe ..you can not claim to "know" ..and that is why you can not claim that someone that you never met existence or purpose is absolute truth ...simply because you do not know...you can only claim "faith"

You may not choose to believe that Jesus is God is an absolute truth, but I can choose to believe it. And as I pointed out, it's perfectly rational. You haven't offered any proof that Jesus isn't God and arguments exist that support the belief that Jesus is God. Also, there is my own experiential evidence, which I see no reason ignore.

spidercmb ..to claim that god being omniscient could not deliver his word in truth but had to use metaphors only display the limitations of god ...

spidercmb...you can choose to believe anything you want to...but the point is you can not claim it as fact

Yes I can. That's the point. Some claim that "everyone has their own truth", that's just silly. I claim that "everyone has their own belief of what is truth", that's absolutely true. You believe it is true that "you can choose to believe anything you want to...but the point is you can not claim it as fact", but I vehemently disagree. That's absolute evidence that we both have a different opinion on what the truth is.

Spidercmb...the truth is that you have a religious belief ...a belief is not truth ..it's a belief

I never said that. I was pointing out the problems with your point, I wasn't supporting the belief that the Bible is metaphorical.

But either way, it's a clear misunderstanding of omniscient to claim that God can do anything. God's power has limitations, which is clearly evident through logic.

1) God cannot make a square circle. A square circle cannot exist.

2) God cannot give someone free will and dictate their actions. Either the person has free will or God is in control, it can't be both.

3) God cannot explain a concept with words alone, if the concept is completely alien to the audience.

These statements are just simple logic. God can do anything, which can be done.

The Bible contains historical truths, parables, metaphors, similes, etc.

What is a truth? A truth is a belief that is accepted as reality. I accept Christianity as the truth. That doesn't make it the absolute truth, but it is the truth in my opinion. I'm not even sure of what your point is anymore. What is your point, can you explain?

one end is a circle the other end a square


for Free Will to exist that would mean that God is not omniscient, clearly he would have known how everything he created would turn out, this either cancel out free will or cancel out god being omniscient



no believer would ever claim what god can't do ...and if a god could not communicate with his creations using the truth would mean that the god is not omniscient and not truthful



an again who gets to pick which is which...Satan? ...that is why if the bible is not all truth then none of it can be regarded as being turth ...it becomes a book of fables

if a belief was truth it would at the least be everyone's reality ....and to claim it is everyone's reality without proof that it is becomes delusion...your religious belief is clearly not everyone's reality ....and the fact that you need faith means it's not even your reality it falls more into the realm of wishful thinking

From all what I read I believe that Jesus was a man with all man's parts who eat, drunk, slept, walked, used the toilet.....etc.
I have never seen any proof to suggest he was a God or a son of a God . A man by any man is just a man .