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Edited by
norslyman
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It's all part of the ritual.
Ft Hood shooter is dead no, wait, he's alive (as if resurrected) Now, as if to fulfill the publics bloodlust for justice (Muslim blood in particular), we have the patsy from this past ritual dying on cue. I had to laugh at NPR today. Obamanation will be agonizing over the decision about troop increase in Pakistan... I mean Afganhistan. Does anybody really doubt what will happen. Let the Muslim bloodletting begin. 
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The sniper should be executed, Personally I don't want to spend my tax money to keep him alive in prison for the rest of his life where he is going to die anyway. I don't want to be the one contributing to his 'salary' of $120,000yr(that's how much it cost to keep one prisoner alive in prison) kill him...save me some money 
How ironic ... Charles Manson still alive Manson didn't physically commit the murders nor did he coerce a minor into doing it. But he should die to for being so effed up in the head. |
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again.. there is a difference vengance and lawful punishment in the interest of justice regardless of your opinion to the contrary.. we were never neandertals.. there were common ancestor between the two species but that was a divergent limb of evolution.. that's been rather well documented.. Neandertal man was wiped out by homo sapiens. We did not evolve from them.. by your logic, the legitimacy of any exercise of punishment under the law would be nullified by your religious agruement.. so lets just stop enforcing law en toto and let there be chaos. Oh but any race of humans that would execute their own kind for any reason is less than a neandrathal. There is no difference contrary to your belief, I posted the definition. My logic has nothing to do with what I have been discussing with you. I have been discussing with the you the Christian nonjustification for their death penalty. My logic is that we should be too smart by now to even consider a death penalty as a legitimate form of punishment. I guess I can keep hopin and wishin for the brains to grow.... 
So first you state (or at least agree with the statement) that laws ought not be based on biblical precedence and then you come at me with a biblical justification against capital punishment? Does anyone else smell the hypocracy in this? please.. pick which side of the fence you'd like to argue from. The definition you copied and pasted from wherever (without citation, by the way) present several weaknesses inyour arguement. First it does not incorporate justice, the moral foundation of all law. Vengance is not concerned with due process whereas Justice requires due process. payment for criminality does not equate to retribution. And Justice is not concerned with retribution. Second it indicates that vengence is a style or type of punishment. but just as all ducks are birds, though not all birds are ducks. Similarly though vengence is an exercise in punishment, not all punishments are exercises in vengence. A parent does not punich a child out of a sense of vengence. The parent punishes the child out of the need to impress a sense of right and wrong. I'm certain I'm not going to change your stance on this issue. You have something stuck in your head and that's that, as far as you're concerned. That's fine. Obstenence is your perogative but you at least owe yourself the decency to operate with a modecum of intellectual honesty.. I wasn't debating from my personal position to begin with. I am no longer a Christian. So you did not have my position on it to begin with. Second, don't tell me what I should or shouldn't do, I do what I want, when I want, how I want....etc... You can't make an intelligent stand in favor of capital punishment because there is no intelligent stance on it. It is stupid to believe that killing fixes killing. It is stupid to cost the citizens many many tax dollars for the killing that doesn't fix killing since it is killing. It is stupid to believe we give any family in their right mind any kind of comfort from killing that doesn't fix killing that is killing. Etc... |
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He's been dead for about 7 minutes and I say good riddance!!! I have ZERO tolerance for criminals and do not feel any sympathy for them. If it were up to me, even taggers would be executed. i'm saddened and shaken. and yes, i'll shed a tear. |
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It cost's more to feed, clothe and shelter scum than it does to execute the scum! You must add the Medical and Dental as well into the equation. |
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Trained snipers have to show no signs of a God complex.
Counter snipers that travel with High Government Officials are quickly reassigned if they start showing any personality quirks. This man had no control of the complex. Combine that with the skill and focus it takes to do what he did, he had really no defense. |
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people that kill others like this know the consequences, but they don't care about that or about those that they kill. In a perfect world...no one would kill, but this isn't a perfect world. No country has a perfect judicial system. JMO
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Edited by
Quietman_2009
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Tue 11/10/09 07:44 PM
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just as a remberance of his victims
James Martin 55 Killed October 2, 2002, 6:04 PM Wheaton, Maryland James Buchanan 39 Killed October 3, 2002, 7:41 AM Rockville, Maryland Premkumar Walekar 54 Killed October 3, 2002, 8:12 AM Aspen Hill, Maryland Sarah Ramos 34 Killed October 3, 2002, 8:37 AM Silver Spring, Maryland Lori Ann Lewis-Rivera 25 Killed October 3, 2002, 9:58 AM Kensington, Maryland Pascal Charlot 72 Killed October 3, 2002, 9:20 PM Washington, D.C. Caroline Seawell 43 Survived October 4, 2002, 2:30 PM Fredericksburg, Virginia Iran Brown 13 Survived October 7, 2002, 8:09 AM Bowie, Maryland Dean Harold Meyers 53 Killed October 9, 2002, 8:18 PM Manassas, Virginia Kenneth Bridges 53 Killed October 11, 2002, 9:40 AM Fredericksburg, Virginia Linda Franklin 47 Killed October 14, 2002, 9:19 PM Falls Church, Virginia Jeffrey Hopper 37 Survived October 19, 2002, 8:00 PM Ashland, Virginia Conrad Johnson 35 Killed October 22, 2002, 5:55 AM Aspen Hill, Maryland These victims have also been linked to Muhammad and Malvo: * Keenya Cook; * Jerry Ray Taylor; * Paul La Ruffa; * Rupinder Oberoi; * Muhammad Rahid; * Million Woldemariam; * Claudine Lee Parker; * Kellie Adams; * Hong Im Ballenger; and * Wright Williams, Jr. |
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It cost's more to feed, clothe and shelter scum than it does to execute the scum! You must add the Medical and Dental as well into the equation. Not true at all. |
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It cost's more to feed, clothe and shelter scum than it does to execute the scum! You must add the Medical and Dental as well into the equation. Not true at all. I worked for AZDOC and you are wrong. |
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Edited by
Blaze1978
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Tue 11/10/09 10:12 PM
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I think if we, as humans, and as society, started to show concern over what happened in this guy's past to make him do what he did, and were less inclined to simply extradite him from life so we don't have to worry about him anymore, the world would be a better place.
Now it's like, he's dead, so it doesn't matter anymore. And GASP! then the next DC shooter comes along...NOWWW suddenly it matters again, at least until that shooter has been done away with...and people are really naive enough to scratch their heads in confusion and wonder why it happened. |
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the whole mess saddens me. i'm completely against capital punishment or revenge. this will not bring back those that have lost their lives. it cheapens us as humans to step to their level and destroy a life. So very true Lulu! It's one thing to kill someone while defending yourself or another person, but once they have been subdued and captured it is no longer self defense, but murder in the first. "THOU SHALL NOT KILL!!!" |
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is there a difference between vengeance and punishment? vengeance One entry found. Main Entry: ven·geance Pronunciation: \ˈven-jən(t)s\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from venger to avenge, from Latin vindicare to lay claim to, avenge — more at vindicate Date: 14th century : punishment inflicted in retaliation for an injury or offense : retribution — with a vengeance 1 : with great force or vehemence <undertook reform with a vengeance> 2 : to an extreme or excessive degree <the tourists are back—with a vengeance> Looks like they are the same except that due process is implicit in punishment under the law.. vengance is more of a human emotion, acting in rage or as a personal matter. Punishment under the law is not murder, per se. It's the state acting on the behalf of the society at large, enforcing the values that are codified in law. Vengance implies an individual acting on his own behalf and in his own interest, not that of the society.. Doesn't change anything. Vengeance is his alone. But what you, not surprisingly, seem to fail to realize is that there IS a difference between " vengance " and " justice ". |
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Not only that, but later on down the road, during the sermon at the mount, He also retracts 6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: by saying thou shall not kill.
And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. 3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. 4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. 5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man’s brother will I require the life of man. 6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. -Genesis Cool but he says only he can do it since vengeance is his alone. |
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just as a remberance of his victims James Martin 55 Killed October 2, 2002, 6:04 PM Wheaton, Maryland James Buchanan 39 Killed October 3, 2002, 7:41 AM Rockville, Maryland Premkumar Walekar 54 Killed October 3, 2002, 8:12 AM Aspen Hill, Maryland Sarah Ramos 34 Killed October 3, 2002, 8:37 AM Silver Spring, Maryland Lori Ann Lewis-Rivera 25 Killed October 3, 2002, 9:58 AM Kensington, Maryland Pascal Charlot 72 Killed October 3, 2002, 9:20 PM Washington, D.C. Caroline Seawell 43 Survived October 4, 2002, 2:30 PM Fredericksburg, Virginia Iran Brown 13 Survived October 7, 2002, 8:09 AM Bowie, Maryland Dean Harold Meyers 53 Killed October 9, 2002, 8:18 PM Manassas, Virginia Kenneth Bridges 53 Killed October 11, 2002, 9:40 AM Fredericksburg, Virginia Linda Franklin 47 Killed October 14, 2002, 9:19 PM Falls Church, Virginia Jeffrey Hopper 37 Survived October 19, 2002, 8:00 PM Ashland, Virginia Conrad Johnson 35 Killed October 22, 2002, 5:55 AM Aspen Hill, Maryland These victims have also been linked to Muhammad and Malvo: * Keenya Cook; * Jerry Ray Taylor; * Paul La Ruffa; * Rupinder Oberoi; * Muhammad Rahid; * Million Woldemariam; * Claudine Lee Parker; * Kellie Adams; * Hong Im Ballenger; and * Wright Williams, Jr. Schools in the area cancelled recess and outdoor sporting events. Parents instructed their kids to duck down in cars as they had to buy gas. So many people had to alter their lives in the hope of being safe from this SOB. All u nay sayers out there might very well change your mind if it had happened to someone u loved. Thanks Quietman for posting the names of those whose families were destroyed by him. |
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No, but it gives closure to the families of the ones that they killed
^um can you explain this, I'm lost......I thought closure meant finding out why and what happened, we know what happened, we don't know why, he remained mute to the reasoning. as for this "Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed"....does that mean those responsible for shedding blood should also fall under this, if it does then half your world leaders should be shot....ok, we already know that...lol |
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No, but it gives closure to the families of the ones that they killed ^um can you explain this, I'm lost......I thought closure meant finding out why and what happened, we know what happened, we don't know why, he remained mute to the reasoning. as for this "Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed"....does that mean those responsible for shedding blood should also fall under this, if it does then half your world leaders should be shot....ok, we already know that...lol Im opposed to the death penalty. I think life in prison is a much more suitable 'punishment'. |
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Edited by
Quietman_2009
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Wed 11/11/09 06:22 AM
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Thous Shalt not Kill
turns out that was a mis translation from Aramaic or whatever to Greek. The scholars pretty much agree nowadays that it should read, "Thou Shalt not murder" |
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Thous Shalt not Kill turns out that was a mis translation from Aramaic or whatever to Greek. The scholars pretty much agree nowadays that it should read, "Thou Shalt not murder" ene eye for an eye was old testament.. but religion aside. I just feel that planning and execution of a human life is not right. The more we take life , the less precious life becomes. I strongly believe this. Society has gotten so used to sex and violence and killing that it has become desensitized to the privilege AND responsibility that sex entails, the many lives violence touches and the value of life itself. |
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I lived in Baltimore during that shooting. Glad to see him go.
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