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well really if a person wanted they could find support for any argument in the scripture
it can be pretty contradictory but I found this note by John Wesley (founder of the methodists) 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood - Whether upon a sudden provocation, or premeditated, (for rash anger is heart - murder as well as malice prepense, Mt 5:21,22), by man shall his blood be shed - That is, by the magistrate, or whoever is appointed to be the avenger of blood. Before the flood, as it should seem by the story of Cain, God took the punishment of murder into his own hands; but now he committed this judgment to men, to masters of families at first, and afterwards to the heads of countries. For in the image of God made he man - Man is a creature dear to his Creator, and therefore ought to be so to us; God put honour upon him, let us not then put contempt upon him. Such remains of God's image are still even upon fallen man, that he who unjustly kills a man, defaceth the image of God, and doth dishonour to him. |
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And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. 3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. 4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. 5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man’s brother will I require the life of man. 6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. -Genesis Cool but he says only he can do it since vengeance is his alone. wrong. read again.. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed But if vengeance is his alone, then people who shed the blood on both sides get to roast in hell....lol |
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is there a difference between vengeance and punishment?
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is there a difference between vengeance and punishment? vengeance One entry found. Main Entry: ven·geance Pronunciation: \ˈven-jən(t)s\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from venger to avenge, from Latin vindicare to lay claim to, avenge — more at vindicate Date: 14th century : punishment inflicted in retaliation for an injury or offense : retribution — with a vengeance 1 : with great force or vehemence <undertook reform with a vengeance> 2 : to an extreme or excessive degree <the tourists are back—with a vengeance> Looks like they are the same |
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is there a difference between vengeance and punishment? vengeance One entry found. Main Entry: ven·geance Pronunciation: \ˈven-jən(t)s\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from venger to avenge, from Latin vindicare to lay claim to, avenge — more at vindicate Date: 14th century : punishment inflicted in retaliation for an injury or offense : retribution — with a vengeance 1 : with great force or vehemence <undertook reform with a vengeance> 2 : to an extreme or excessive degree <the tourists are back—with a vengeance> Looks like they are the same except that due process is implicit in punishment under the law.. vengance is more of a human emotion, acting in rage or as a personal matter. Punishment under the law is not murder, per se. It's the state acting on the behalf of the society at large, enforcing the values that are codified in law. Vengance implies an individual acting on his own behalf and in his own interest, not that of the society.. |
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is there a difference between vengeance and punishment? vengeance One entry found. Main Entry: ven·geance Pronunciation: \ˈven-jən(t)s\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from venger to avenge, from Latin vindicare to lay claim to, avenge — more at vindicate Date: 14th century : punishment inflicted in retaliation for an injury or offense : retribution — with a vengeance 1 : with great force or vehemence <undertook reform with a vengeance> 2 : to an extreme or excessive degree <the tourists are back—with a vengeance> Looks like they are the same except that due process is implicit in punishment under the law.. vengance is more of a human emotion, acting in rage or as a personal matter. Punishment under the law is not murder, per se. It's the state acting on the behalf of the society at large, enforcing the values that are codified in law. Vengance implies an individual acting on his own behalf and in his own interest, not that of the society.. Doesn't change anything. Vengeance is his alone. |
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The Quran says, cut off his head.
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The Quran says, cut off his head. Didn't know you were Muslim??? Does it say that only Allah can do it, like the bible does? |
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raiderfan_32
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is there a difference between vengeance and punishment? vengeance One entry found. Main Entry: ven·geance Pronunciation: \ˈven-jən(t)s\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from venger to avenge, from Latin vindicare to lay claim to, avenge — more at vindicate Date: 14th century : punishment inflicted in retaliation for an injury or offense : retribution — with a vengeance 1 : with great force or vehemence <undertook reform with a vengeance> 2 : to an extreme or excessive degree <the tourists are back—with a vengeance> Looks like they are the same except that due process is implicit in punishment under the law.. vengance is more of a human emotion, acting in rage or as a personal matter. Punishment under the law is not murder, per se. It's the state acting on the behalf of the society at large, enforcing the values that are codified in law. Vengance implies an individual acting on his own behalf and in his own interest, not that of the society.. Doesn't change anything. Vengeance is his alone. Biblical Scholar, all of a sudden? probably not otherwise you would have capitalised "His".. however, the arguement doesn't rest on religious grounds. To take vengance is irrespective of due process. To apply capital punishment (or any punishment) in this country is a matter of due process and applying the values of society codified into law. It's not an exercise in vengance. It's the ultimate step in carrying out justice.. You may find it objectionable. You may disagree with it. That doens't change the fact that the law of the land is that murder, of which he was tried and convicted, is punishable by death in the state where he committed the act.. |
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The Quran says, cut off his head. Didn't know you were Muslim??? Does it say that only Allah can do it, like the bible does? I ain't no muslim and I ain't no bible thumper. I was just stating what Islam would do in this case. All religous interpretations are allowed unless you want to discriminate. Are you racist? |
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is there a difference between vengeance and punishment? vengeance One entry found. Main Entry: ven·geance Pronunciation: \ˈven-jən(t)s\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from venger to avenge, from Latin vindicare to lay claim to, avenge — more at vindicate Date: 14th century : punishment inflicted in retaliation for an injury or offense : retribution — with a vengeance 1 : with great force or vehemence <undertook reform with a vengeance> 2 : to an extreme or excessive degree <the tourists are back—with a vengeance> Looks like they are the same except that due process is implicit in punishment under the law.. vengance is more of a human emotion, acting in rage or as a personal matter. Punishment under the law is not murder, per se. It's the state acting on the behalf of the society at large, enforcing the values that are codified in law. Vengance implies an individual acting on his own behalf and in his own interest, not that of the society.. Doesn't change anything. Vengeance is his alone. Biblical Scholar, all of a sudden? probably not otherwise you would have capitalised "His".. however, the arguement doesn't rest on religious grounds. To take vengance is irrespective of due process. To apply capital punishment (or any punishment) in this country is a matter of due process and applying the values of society codified into law. It's not an exercise in vengance. It's the ultimate step in carrying out justice.. You may find it objectionable. You may disagree with it. That doens't change the fact that the law of the land is that murder, of which he was tried and convicted, is punishable by death in the state where he committed the act.. And all who are Christian who vote for and support the death penalty will roast in hell with the killer since they are taking vengeance out of their own God's hands. Not all states have it, there are some enlightened states in this country. |
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The Quran says, cut off his head. Didn't know you were Muslim??? Does it say that only Allah can do it, like the bible does? I ain't no muslim and I ain't no bible thumper. I was just stating what Islam would do in this case. All religous interpretations are allowed unless you want to discriminate. Are you racist? If your not a Muslim than how do you know what a Muslim would do? How do you know what the Koran says? So if I discriminate against religions it makes me a racist??? NOT...LOL |
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And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. 3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. 4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. 5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man’s brother will I require the life of man. 6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. -Genesis Cool but he says only he can do it since vengeance is his alone. wrong. read again.. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed But if vengeance is his alone, then people who shed the blood on both sides get to roast in hell....lol  Yes most people are (in?)going to hell. The Old Testament advocates death penalty (for just about anything),but the New Testament advocates forgiveness
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The Quran says, cut off his head. Didn't know you were Muslim??? Does it say that only Allah can do it, like the bible does? I ain't no muslim and I ain't no bible thumper. I was just stating what Islam would do in this case. All religous interpretations are allowed unless you want to discriminate. Are you racist? If your not a Muslim than how do you know what a Muslim would do? How do you know what the Koran says? So if I discriminate against religions it makes me a racist??? NOT...LOL  lol  Sounds like someone has been reading the Quran a lot lately
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 In modern society,we do not base our law on any bible, so this whole discussion is a moot point anyways
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And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. 3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. 4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. 5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man’s brother will I require the life of man. 6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. -Genesis Cool but he says only he can do it since vengeance is his alone. wrong. read again.. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed But if vengeance is his alone, then people who shed the blood on both sides get to roast in hell....lol Yes most people are (in?)going to hell. The Old Testament advocates death penalty (for just about anything),but the New Testament advocates forgiveness “VENGEANCE IS MINE”, sayeth the Lord. From Leviticus in the Old Testament to Romans in the New, both Christians and Jews have been told to never seek vengeance against one another, “but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord”. (Leviticus 19:18) This is the old testament. So it appears the writers of the bible wrote that you can kill those who kill but you will also go to hell for it. What a concept. |
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Edited by
raiderfan_32
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is there a difference between vengeance and punishment? vengeance One entry found. Main Entry: ven·geance Pronunciation: \ˈven-jən(t)s\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from venger to avenge, from Latin vindicare to lay claim to, avenge — more at vindicate Date: 14th century : punishment inflicted in retaliation for an injury or offense : retribution — with a vengeance 1 : with great force or vehemence <undertook reform with a vengeance> 2 : to an extreme or excessive degree <the tourists are back—with a vengeance> Looks like they are the same except that due process is implicit in punishment under the law.. vengance is more of a human emotion, acting in rage or as a personal matter. Punishment under the law is not murder, per se. It's the state acting on the behalf of the society at large, enforcing the values that are codified in law. Vengance implies an individual acting on his own behalf and in his own interest, not that of the society.. Doesn't change anything. Vengeance is his alone. Biblical Scholar, all of a sudden? probably not otherwise you would have capitalised "His".. however, the arguement doesn't rest on religious grounds. To take vengance is irrespective of due process. To apply capital punishment (or any punishment) in this country is a matter of due process and applying the values of society codified into law. It's not an exercise in vengance. It's the ultimate step in carrying out justice.. You may find it objectionable. You may disagree with it. That doens't change the fact that the law of the land is that murder, of which he was tried and convicted, is punishable by death in the state where he committed the act.. And all who are Christian who vote for and support the death penalty will roast in hell with the killer since they are taking vengeance out of their own God's hands. Not all states have it, there are some enlightened states in this country. A) that's their business.. what difference does it make to you what relationship another has with his/her creator? B) so go live in one of those states if you feel that strongly about it.. maybe you already do, in which case you're just billowing hot air and passing judgement on other. "Judge not, lest ye be judged" C) We've already demonstrated the distinction between punishment and vengance.. there is a difference whether you choose to see it or not |
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In modern society,we do not base our law on any bible, so this whole discussion is a moot point anyways Who do you think still supports the death penalty in this country? |
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In modern society,we do not base our law on any bible, so this whole discussion is a moot point anyways Who do you think still supports the death penalty in this country? I know It's weird
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is there a difference between vengeance and punishment? vengeance One entry found. Main Entry: ven·geance Pronunciation: \ˈven-jən(t)s\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from venger to avenge, from Latin vindicare to lay claim to, avenge — more at vindicate Date: 14th century : punishment inflicted in retaliation for an injury or offense : retribution — with a vengeance 1 : with great force or vehemence <undertook reform with a vengeance> 2 : to an extreme or excessive degree <the tourists are back—with a vengeance> Looks like they are the same except that due process is implicit in punishment under the law.. vengance is more of a human emotion, acting in rage or as a personal matter. Punishment under the law is not murder, per se. It's the state acting on the behalf of the society at large, enforcing the values that are codified in law. Vengance implies an individual acting on his own behalf and in his own interest, not that of the society.. Doesn't change anything. Vengeance is his alone. Biblical Scholar, all of a sudden? probably not otherwise you would have capitalised "His".. however, the arguement doesn't rest on religious grounds. To take vengance is irrespective of due process. To apply capital punishment (or any punishment) in this country is a matter of due process and applying the values of society codified into law. It's not an exercise in vengance. It's the ultimate step in carrying out justice.. You may find it objectionable. You may disagree with it. That doens't change the fact that the law of the land is that murder, of which he was tried and convicted, is punishable by death in the state where he committed the act.. And all who are Christian who vote for and support the death penalty will roast in hell with the killer since they are taking vengeance out of their own God's hands. Not all states have it, there are some enlightened states in this country. A) that's their business.. what difference does it make to you what relationship another has with his/her creator? B) so go live in one of those states if you feel that strongly about it.. maybe you already do, in which case you're just billowing hot air and passing judgement on other. "Judge not, lest ye be judged" C) We've already made the distinction between punishment and vengance.. there is a difference whether you choose to see it or not No difference has been established. We will be enlightened soon here too. We are not neandrathals anymore, we need to show this as humans. |
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