Topic: DC sniper
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Wed 11/11/09 08:43 AM
Edited by boredinaz06 on Wed 11/11/09 08:44 AM



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Wed 11/11/09 08:46 AM
Edited by boredinaz06 on Wed 11/11/09 08:46 AM

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Wed 11/11/09 08:48 AM
Serial sniper John Allen Muhammad will be put to death Tuesday night by lethal injection in Virginia.

The state's governor denied Muhammad's request for clemency.

He's being executed for the death of a man at a gas station during a shooting spree in 2002 that left 10 people dead across Maryland, Virginia and Washington, D.C.

Muhammad and his teenaged accomplice, Lee Boyd Malvo, were also suspected of deadly shootings in three other states, including Arizona.

Muhammad's attorney says Virginia will be executing a severely mentally ill man.

One of the people who will be watching the execution tonight is the daughter of the Tucson man killed while playing golf in 2002.

Lee Malvo admitted he and Muhammad killed a man on a Tucson golf course.

Authorities believe he was Jerry Taylor.

His daughter is in Virginia to witness Muhammad's death.

Cheryll Witz said, "He took part in watching my dad die, and I want to watch him die. That's justice to me."

Authorities did not pursue Muhammad for the Taylor murder because he was already on death row.

Malvo was given immunity, but he is serving a life term for the other attacks.

Malvo also admitted he and Muhammad shot another man on a golf course in Clearwater, Florida.

That man was 72-year old Albert Michalczyk.

He survived, and lives in Oro Valley.



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Wed 11/11/09 09:32 AM







It cost's more to feed, clothe and shelter scum than it does to execute the scum! You must add the Medical and Dental as well into the equation.


Not true at all.



I worked for AZDOC and you are wrong.


no I am not, you are,

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Wed 11/11/09 09:34 AM

I think if we, as humans, and as society, started to show concern over what happened in this guy's past to make him do what he did, and were less inclined to simply extradite him from life so we don't have to worry about him anymore, the world would be a better place.

Now it's like, he's dead, so it doesn't matter anymore.

And GASP! then the next DC shooter comes along...NOWWW suddenly it matters again, at least until that shooter has been done away with...and people are really naive enough to scratch their heads in confusion and wonder why it happened.



I agree.

Killing doesn't solve anything except make you a murderer.

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Wed 11/11/09 09:39 AM
It is animalistic stupidity to believe that killing someone brings justice to anyone.

Man should be smarter than that by now.

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Wed 11/11/09 09:43 AM

It is animalistic stupidity to believe that killing someone brings justice to anyone.

Man should be smarter than that by now.


Tell ya what. if people with your morals and ONLY people with your morals are willing to accept the financial burden of keeping someone like this alive for the rest of their lives then I would consider a different mindset about execution.

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Wed 11/11/09 09:48 AM


It is animalistic stupidity to believe that killing someone brings justice to anyone.

Man should be smarter than that by now.


Tell ya what. if people with your morals and ONLY people with your morals are willing to accept the financial burden of keeping someone like this alive for the rest of their lives then I would consider a different mindset about execution.


Considering killing them costs more I guess if you are thrifty you should be against it too.

I did not say morals, I said stupidity. Ignorance. Irrationality. Animalistic tendencies no different than the criminals, etc...

MOOC

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Wed 11/11/09 09:52 AM



It is animalistic stupidity to believe that killing someone brings justice to anyone.

Man should be smarter than that by now.


Tell ya what. if people with your morals and ONLY people with your morals are willing to accept the financial burden of keeping someone like this alive for the rest of their lives then I would consider a different mindset about execution.


Considering killing them costs more I guess if you are thrifty you should be against it too.

I did not say morals, I said stupidity. Ignorance. Irrationality. Animalistic tendencies no different than the criminals, etc...

MOOC


That's nice. Now how about answering this question. Are you willing to accept the financial burden upon yourself of keeping people like this alive without the benefit of all other Americans who support the death penalty?

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Wed 11/11/09 10:05 AM




It is animalistic stupidity to believe that killing someone brings justice to anyone.

Man should be smarter than that by now.


Tell ya what. if people with your morals and ONLY people with your morals are willing to accept the financial burden of keeping someone like this alive for the rest of their lives then I would consider a different mindset about execution.


Considering killing them costs more I guess if you are thrifty you should be against it too.

I did not say morals, I said stupidity. Ignorance. Irrationality. Animalistic tendencies no different than the criminals, etc...

MOOC


That's nice. Now how about answering this question. Are you willing to accept the financial burden upon yourself of keeping people like this alive without the benefit of all other Americans who support the death penalty?


Since it is more expensive to kill them of course all American with any sense should be willing to.,

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Wed 11/11/09 10:22 AM
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
Financial Facts
Information on Costs of the Death Penalty From DPIC

Cost News and Developments - Current Year
Cost News and Developments - Previous Years

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Financial Facts About the Death Penalty


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California
Report of the California Commission on the Fair Administration of Justice
“The additional cost of confining an inmate to death row, as compared to the maximum security prisons where those sentenced to life without possibility of parole ordinarily serve their sentences, is $90,000 per year per inmate. With California’s current death row population of 670, that accounts for $63.3 million annually.”

Using conservative rough projections, the Commission estimates the annual costs of the present (death penalty) system to be $137 million per year.

The cost of the present system with reforms recommended by the Commission to ensure a fair process would be $232.7 million per year.

The cost of a system in which the number of death-eligible crimes was significantly narrowed would be $130 million per year.

The cost of a system which imposes a maximum penalty of lifetime incarceration instead of the death penalty would be $11.5 million per year.

Commission on the Fair Administration of Justice, June 30, 2008).

Maryland
New Study Reveals Maryland Pays $37 Million for One Execution
A new study released by the Urban Institute on March 6, 2008 forecasted that the lifetime expenses of capitally-prosecuted cases since 1978 will cost Maryland taxpayers $186 million. That translates into at least $37.2 million for each of the state’s five executions since the state reenacted the death penalty. The study estimates that the average cost to Maryland taxpayers for reaching a single death sentence is $3 million - $1.9 million more than the cost of a non-death penalty case. (This includes investigation, trial, appeals, and incarceration costs.) The study examined 162 capital cases that were prosecuted between 1978 and 1999 and found that those cases will cost $186 million more than what those cases would have cost had the death penalty not existed as a punishment. At every phase of a case, according to the study, capital murder cases cost more than non-capital murder cases.

Of the 162 capital cases, there werer 106 cases in which a death sentence was sought but not handed down in Maryland. Those cases cost the state an additional $71 million compared to the cost non-death penalty cases. Those costs were incurred simply to seek the death penalty where the ultimate outcome was a life or long-term prison sentence.

(“Death penalty costs Md. more than life term,” by Jennifer McMenamin, The Baltimore Sun, March 6, 2008). Read the entire study here.

Federal Costs
The average cost of defending a trial in a federal death case is $620,932, about 8 times that of a federal murder case in which the death penalty is not sought. A study found that those defendants whose representation was the least expensive, and thus who received the least amount of attorney and expert time, had an increased probability of receiving a death sentence. Defendants with less than $320,000 in terms of representation costs (the bottom 1/3 of federal capital trials) had a 44% chance of receiving a death sentence at trial. On the other hand, those defendants whose representation costs were higher than $320,000 (the remaining 2/3 of federal capital trials) had only a 19% chance of being sentenced to death. Thus, the study concluded that defendants with low representation costs were more than twice as likely to receive a death sentence. The complete report can be found here.

(Office of Defender Services of the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts, "Update on Cost, Quality, and Availability of Defense Representation in Federal Death Penalty Cases," June 2008; prepared by Jon Gould and Lisa Greenman).

Washington

Report to Washington State Bar Association regarding cost
At the trial level, death penalty cases are estimated to generate roughly $470,000 in additional costs to the prosecution and defense over the cost of trying the same case as an aggravated murder without the death penalty and costs of $47,000 to $70,000 for court personnel. On direct appeal, the cost of appellate defense averages $100,000 more in death penalty cases, than in non-death penalty murder cases. Personal restraint petitions filed in death penalty cases on average cost an additional $137,000 in public defense costs.
(FINAL REPORT OF THE DEATH PENALTY SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC DEFENSE, Washington State Bar Association, December 2006).

New Jersey
Death Penalty has Cost New Jersey Taxpayers $253 Million
A New Jersey Policy Perspectives report concluded that the state's death penalty has cost taxpayers $253 million since 1983, a figure that is over and above the costs that would have been incurred had the state utilized a sentence of life without parole instead of death. The study examined the costs of death penalty cases to prosecutor offices, public defender offices, courts, and correctional facilities. The report's authors said that the cost estimate is "very conservative" because other significant costs uniquely associated with the death penalty were not available. "From a strictly financial perspective, it is hard to reach a conclusion other than this: New Jersey taxpayers over the last 23 years have paid more than a quarter billion dollars on a capital punishment system that has executed no one," the report concluded. Since 1982, there have been 197 capital trials in New Jersey and 60 death sentences, of which 50 were reversed. There have been no executions, and 10 men are housed on the state's death row. Michael Murphy, former Morris County prosecutor, remarked: "If you were to ask me how $11 million a year could best protect the people of New Jersey, I would tell you by giving the law enforcement community more resources. I'm not interested in hypotheticals or abstractions, I want the tools for law enforcement to do their job, and $11 million can buy a lot of tools." (See Newsday, Nov. 21, 2005; also Press Release, New Jerseyans for Alternatives to the Death Penalty, Nov. 21, 2005). Read the Executive Summary. Read the full report. Read the NJADP Press Release.

Tennessee
Study Finds Death penalty Costly, Ineffective

A new report released by the Tennessee Comptroller of the Treasury recommended changes to the state's costly death penalty and called into question its effectiveness in preventing crime. The Office of Research noted that it lacked sufficient data to accurately account for the total cost of capital trials, stating that because cost and time records were not maintained, the Office of Research was unable to determine the total, comprehensive cost of the death penalty in Tennessee." Although noting that, "no reliable data exists concerning the cost of prosecution or defense of first-degree murder cases in Tennessee," the report concluded that capital murder trials are longer and more expensive at every step compared to other murder trials. In fact, the available data indicated that in capital trials, taxpayers pay half again as much as murder cases in which prosecutors seek prison terms rather than the death penalty. Findings in the report include the following:


Death penalty trials cost an average of 48% more than the average cost of trials in which prosecutors seek life imprisonment.
Tennessee District Attorneys General are not consistent in their pursuit of the death penalty.

Surveys and interviews of district attorneys indicate that some prosecutors "use the death penalty as a 'bargaining chip' to secure plea bargains for lesser sentences."

Previous research provides no clear indication whether the death penalty acts as a method of crime prevention.

The Tennessee Court of Criminal Appeals reversed 29 percent of capital cases on direct appeal.

Although any traumatic trial may cause stress and pain for jurors, the victims' family, and the defendant's family, the pressure may be at its peak during death penalty trials. (July 2004)

Read the The Tennessee Comptroller of the Treasury Office of Research's Report, "Tennessee's Death Penalty: Costs and Consequences."


Kansas
Study Concludes Death Penalty is Costly Policy
In its review of death penalty expenses, the State of Kansas concluded that capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-death penalty cases. The study counted death penalty case costs through to execution and found that the median death penalty case costs $1.26 million. Non-death penalty cases were counted through to the end of incarceration and were found to have a median cost of $740,000. For death penalty cases, the pre-trial and trial level expenses were the most expensive part, 49% of the total cost. The costs of appeals were 29% of the total expense, and the incarceration and execution costs accounted for the remaining 22%. In comparison to non-death penalty cases, the following findings were revealed:

The investigation costs for death-sentence cases were about 3 times greater than for non-death cases.

The trial costs for death cases were about 16 times greater than for non-death cases ($508,000 for death case; $32,000 for non-death case).

The appeal costs for death cases were 21 times greater.

The costs of carrying out (i.e. incarceration and/or execution) a death sentence were about half the costs of carrying out a non-death sentence in a comparable case.

Trials involving a death sentence averaged 34 days, including jury selection; non-death trials averaged about 9 days.

(Performance Audit Report: Costs Incurred for Death Penalty Cases: A K-GOAL Audit of the Department of Corrections) Read DPIC's Summary of the Kansas Cost Report.


USA
Death Penalty Trials Very Costly Relative to County Budgets

Capital cases burden county budgets with large unexpected costs, according to a report released by the National Bureau of Economic Research, "The Budgetary Repercussions of Capital Convictions," by Katherine Baicker. Counties manage these high costs by decreasing funding for highways and police and by increasing taxes. The report estimates that between 1982-1997 the extra cost of capital trials was $1.6 billion. (NBER Working Paper No. w8382, Issued in July 2001) Read the abstract.


Indiana
Total cost of Indiana's death penalty is 38% greater than the total cost of life without parole sentences
A study by Indiana's Criminal Law Study Commission found this to be true, assuming that 20% of death sentences are overturned and resentenced to life. (Indiana Criminal Law Study Commission, "Commission Report on Capital Sentencing," January 10, 2002)


North Carolina
North Carolina Spends More per Execution than on a Non-death Penalty Murder Case
The most comprehensive death penalty study in the country found that the death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million more per execution than the a non-death penalty murder case with a sentence of life imprisonment (. On a national basis, these figures translate to an extra cost of over $1 billion spent since 1976 on the death penalty. ("The Costs of Processing Murder Cases in North Carolina" Duke University, May 1993)

Florida
Florida Spends Millions Extra per Year on Death Penalty
Florida would save $51 million each year by punishing all first-degree murderers with life in prison without parole, according to estimates by the Palm Beach Post. Based on the 44 executions Florida has carried out since 1976, that amounts to an approximate cost of $24 million for each execution. This finding takes into account the relatively few inmates who are actually executed, as well as the time and effort expended on capital defendants who are tried but convicted of a lesser murder charge, and those whose death sentences are overturned on appeal. ("The High Price of Killing Killers," Palm Beach Post, January 4, 2000)


Florida Spent Average of $3.2 Million per Execution from 1973 to 1988
During that time period, Florida spent an estimated $57 million on the death penalty to achieve 18 executions. ("Bottom Line: Life in Prison One-Sixth as Expensive," Miami Herald, July 10, 1988)


California
California Spends Millions More on Capital Cases
California spends $90 Million dollars annually above and beyond the ordinary costs of the justice system on capital cases. $78 million of that total is incurred at the trial level (Sacramento Bee, March 18, 1988). In January 2003, despite a budge deficit, California Governor Gray Davis proposed building a new $220 million state of the art death row. ("San Quentin Debate: Death Row vs. Bay Views, New York Times, December 18, 2004).


The California Death Penalty System Costs Taxpayers More than $114 Million a Year
According to state and federal records obtained by The Los Angeles Times, maintaining the California death penalty system costs taxpayers more than $114 million a year beyond the cost of simply keeping the convicts locked up for life. This figure does not count the millions more spent on court costs to prosecute capital cases. The Times concluded that Californians and federal taxpayers have paid more than a quarter of a billion dollars for each of the state's 11 executions, and that it costs $90,000 more a year to house one inmate on death row, where each person has a private cell and extra guards, than in general prison population. This additional cost per prisoner adds up to $57.5 million in annual spending. ("Death Row Often Means a Long Life," Los Angeles Times, March 6, 2005).

1988 Cost Study by the Sacramento Bee
A study done by the Sacramento Bee (March 28, 1988) suggests that California would save $90 million per year if it were to abolish the death penalty. $78 million of these expenses are occurred at the trial level and would not be reduced by shortening appeals. ("CLOSING DEATH ROW WOULD SAVE STATE $90 MILLION A YEAR," Sacramento Bee, March 28, 1988).


Texas
Texas death penalty cases cost more than non-capital cases
That is about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years. ("Executions Cost Texas Millions," Dallas Morning News, March 8, 1992)


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Wed 11/11/09 10:23 AM
Hey, you want your taxes to do down, stop the death penalty.

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Wed 11/11/09 10:33 AM

It is animalistic stupidity to believe that killing someone brings justice to anyone.

Man should be smarter than that by now.


laugh laugh you'd think

yep, laughter is not at you Dragoness flowerforyou

just the fact that we have gotten more bloodthirsty not less...more and more justification, acceptance for violence.

That phrase that is so often posted on here fits well..yet not really learned... "Your doing it wrong"!

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Wed 11/11/09 10:36 AM
:tongue: :wink: laugh :thumbsup:

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Wed 11/11/09 10:42 AM


I see you have found another .org to quote! Its not even really a matter of money as much as a matter of principle, if you are a POS and you kill somebody for no good reason you don't deserve to live. I will say that the victims and or their families should have the say in whether or not the POS is executed or spends life in prison. Some feel that life in prison is far worse than giving them an easy way out.

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Wed 11/11/09 10:44 AM


No, but it gives closure to the families of the ones that they killed

^um can you explain this, I'm lost......I thought closure meant finding out why and what happened, we know what happened, we don't know why, he remained mute to the reasoning.

as for this "Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed"....does that mean those responsible for shedding blood should also fall under this, if it does then half your world leaders should be shot....ok, we already know that...lol



Im opposed to the death penalty. I think life in prison is a much more suitable 'punishment'.


Three square meals a day....free health care...cable tv....weight room/workout equipment...." look the other way " guards....

Other than being in a cell for 23 hours a day...I really don't see the " punishment " involved.

Now....IF they were locked in a cell for 23 hours a day...in solitary...with no tv...if they get sick, that's their problem..

THAT would be punishment.

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Wed 11/11/09 10:50 AM



I see you have found another .org to quote! Its not even really a matter of money as much as a matter of principle, if you are a POS and you kill somebody for no good reason you don't deserve to live. I will say that the victims and or their families should have the say in whether or not the POS is executed or spends life in prison. Some feel that life in prison is far worse than giving them an easy way out.


Principle???noway

Killing others is being principled???surprised

I cannot believe folks would even fix their mouths to say it.slaphead

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Wed 11/11/09 10:55 AM
"Investment in education is about the future, and it is about hope. Investment in prisons and especially in the death penalty is about a final reckoning, an admission of gross failure."
Editorial, The Daily Astorian (OR), April 23, 2009.

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Wed 11/11/09 11:05 AM




I see you have found another .org to quote! Its not even really a matter of money as much as a matter of principle, if you are a POS and you kill somebody for no good reason you don't deserve to live. I will say that the victims and or their families should have the say in whether or not the POS is executed or spends life in prison. Some feel that life in prison is far worse than giving them an easy way out.


Principle???noway

Killing others is being principled???surprised

I cannot believe folks would even fix their mouths to say it.slaphead


Well I see you have it all figures outwhoa

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Wed 11/11/09 11:09 AM

"Investment in education is about the future, and it is about hope. Investment in prisons and especially in the death penalty is about a final reckoning, an admission of gross failure."
Editorial, The Daily Astorian (OR), April 23, 2009.



You cannot educate the stupid or those who do not wish to apply themselves only those who WANT to apply themselves and learn and become a productive member of society, what you have posted is an opinion, albeit a wrong opinion unlike my opinion.