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Edited by
Arcamedees
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Sun 09/06/09 12:41 AM
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err..nevermind
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Edited by
Arcamedees
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Sun 09/06/09 12:44 AM
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The best thing I have did for me and my children was dump my childhood religion and seek out a path of my own...the worst thing my parents did was teach me their faith and tell me it was the only one and to take it in faith and NOT ask questions. I'm really grateful today I didn't listen..I had to completely lose the salvation theory to find spirituality. I was raised with no belief system at all. But I was afforded the opportunity explore any I wanted to. And so I did, many of them. I still have no belief system at all. Of course you do. If you did not, then you would not exist.  On what do you base that on? Do you believe that you exist? If so, that is your belief system. oky doky |
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Of course atheism could be true and we're all just worthless slime. But why focus on such a worthless picture? But why does that make everyone worthless? Just because their might not be a deity, doesn't make us useless. It just makes us us with the ability to control ourselves, better ourselves and others, without living in fear that some angry male figure is going to punish us for asking a question.  
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I don't think I can adequately answer you question, but I will try to clear up some of the confusion about why GOD is referred to as being male. Christians actually believe in what we call the trinity. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. God refers to himself as being male, (the Father) so naturally, Christians refer to Him as being male. Not all who believe in a Supreme Being are Christians. Deists believe in a God who created the universe, but they do not believe in the trinity. I hope that helps you to understand our beliefs a little better. Steve some christians don't believe everything you believe. But then again, you probably wouldn't classify anyone who didn't believe everything you do as a christian. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 09/11/09 08:38 AM
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Steve said:
God refers to himself as being male, (the Father) so naturally, Christians refer to Him as being male. Not all who believe in a Supreme Being are Christians. Deists believe in a God who created the universe, but they do not believe in the trinity. I hope that helps you to understand our beliefs a little better. Steve OH REALLY? God refers to himself as being male??? Tell me this, when has anyone had a conversation with God where he referred to himself as being Male? I realize that the Bible refers to God as being male, but I do not consider the Bible to be God, or even the 'word of God' as it was written and compiled by human men, none of which actually ever spoke to God (or even to Jesus) in person. I understand WHAT people believe, I just don't understand why or how they believe it. Now, if you do believe that God is male, and in the image of a humanoid man of which they made man in that image, then how about speculating about that supreme being you envision and God in a more practical manner. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 09/11/09 08:51 AM
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Not everyone sees 'God' the same way. Ok. You want them to define God...but yet, you say not everyone sees God the same way. Why bother with the definition?? Taking something on faith isn't practical?? Neither is relying on science or your own senses to base your belief or disbelief on. If you are as open minded as you want to believe you are, then asking for a " definition " of God, when " not everyone sees God the same way ", might make you want to rethink your level of open mindedness. Can you, yourself, place a strict definition of what God is?? Unless and until you can, then asking people to question their definition is not only selfish, but narrow minded as well. It's very rare that a truly " open minded " person will ask others to change their way of thinking. I only want them to define what their concept of 'God' is if we are engaged in a conversation about God. Otherwise, I just don't know what premise we are working from or what we are talking about. It does not matter to me what a person's concept of God is except when they are talking about God to me and assuming that I know and agree with what their concept of God is. In order to have a successful communication we should be on the same page. Given that, if a person then describes "God" as a humanoid supreme being who created the world, then I have a few questions for them to consider... based on that premise. I don't want them to just drop that concept in my lap as if it were truth and expect me to agree with them and not "question" GOd. (Their concept of God.) I do question their concept of God. Sorry, but I just do. I don't care that they have that concept, I just don't want to talk to them about God if they are assuming I am understanding and agreeing with their concept or premise. That is why I ask people to please define their concept of God. I can totally accept their premise and concept of God being a male humanoid supreme being who created the world and then continue the conversation from there. Okay on that premise these are my questions. (In the Opening post.) Ok. Let's try this again. Your own words..." not everyone sees God the same way ". Based on that statement, how can you possibly expect anyone in particular to be on the " same page " as you are with your definition??? By the way...I'm not gonna bother quoting the post or the user...but I am being neither " arrogant " nor am I being " hostile " toward the OP. I am simply asking logical questions. The same as she is asking what SHE sees to be logical questions. I would never expect a person to be on the same page as I am on with my concept of God, but I can certainly go to their page if I know their premise. If you believe in the God of the Bible, then I have a few questions about that belief, because if I were to believe in that God, these are the questions I would pose, being of a sound and practical mind, and not being a person who believes in fairy tales, I want just the facts. If God is a male supreme being, where does he actually live? Does he have a humanoid body? Can he shape shift into other forms? Does he, being male, have a wife, etc. Is he alive, does he really exist in the way that we exist? These are my questions if and when I go to that page and accept that premise about God. Taking something on faith is something that I do every day, so it is very practical. But I still have questions. I have to have a somewhat logical reason to take something on faith. I like hearing fairy tales but if you are going to insist that your statements and stories about God are truth, and if I were to accept that on faith, I would then assume that it is true and proceed to find more facts about the life of God. I would not just believe a fairy tale and then spend my life hoping and wishing it is actually true. |
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Okay I just want to say that people who say they don't question God annoy me.
If I could have an audience with God I would certainly have a lot of questions. People who say they 'don't question God' also probably don't question authority. Any authority. When are people going to take some responsibility for themselves and their own lives and start taking their power back? When are people going to start taking their authority back for their own lives. Bunch of spineless non-questioning slaves!    geeeese Don't mind me I'm just venting. Go ahead and talk amongst yourselves.  
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God has no form, i don't know who describes him as being human. Christians maybe?
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Lets get the message right.The Bible as it says said in Gen. chapter 1:26 and i quote "and God said,let Us make man in our image,after Our likeness:......."so you see,it can be taken from here under a point of view that God is male
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 09/18/09 06:56 AM
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Lets get the message right.The Bible as it says said in Gen. chapter 1:26 and i quote "and God said,let Us make man in our image,after Our likeness:......."so you see,it can be taken from here under a point of view that God is male That's right, so why then do people say that God has no form? Some people believe the Bible and the Bible suggests that God is a humanoid Male. If 'he' is, then that is why I have more questions about that. Yet people who believe that God is a humanoid male, don't want to try to answer or think about those questions. Why? To say: "I don't question God." is a cop out. Of course you don't "question God." I don't think you have ever seen him. It is your authority (The Bible or the Church fathers) that you "DON'T QUESTION." Why?? |
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My point is that some people INSIST that God is a humanoid supreme being and that is where they drop the ball. They just expect you to believe it. They offer no proof at all and they have no answers to practical logical questions that I have presented about this being. Where does he live? How did he create the world? What does he look like? If he is a man, does he have male organs? If he does, what does he do with them? Does he eat food? Does he go to the bathroom? Does he have a wife or Mate or does he just like virgins? Don't tell me that God is a male supreme being who looks like a human if you can't think of him in that respect and answer a few questions. (and saying "I don't know" does not cut it.) Of course you "don't know"...but have you ever even thought about these things? If not, why not? Why don't people ask questions? Aren't you curious? Or are you just too terrified to question the awesome authority that spins these stories? People are always saying "God said this and God said that, and God demands this or that..." How the hell do they know? And who do they think they are kidding? In my view, people are not "insisting" that God is a "male humanoid"... I simply think that people use the "male humanoid" image to help wrap their minds around something that is quite overwhelming to understand... eh? |
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My point is that some people INSIST that God is a humanoid supreme being and that is where they drop the ball. They just expect you to believe it. They offer no proof at all and they have no answers to practical logical questions that I have presented about this being. Where does he live? How did he create the world? What does he look like? If he is a man, does he have male organs? If he does, what does he do with them? Does he eat food? Does he go to the bathroom? Does he have a wife or Mate or does he just like virgins? Don't tell me that God is a male supreme being who looks like a human if you can't think of him in that respect and answer a few questions. (and saying "I don't know" does not cut it.) Of course you "don't know"...but have you ever even thought about these things? If not, why not? Why don't people ask questions? Aren't you curious? Or are you just too terrified to question the awesome authority that spins these stories? People are always saying "God said this and God said that, and God demands this or that..." How the hell do they know? And who do they think they are kidding? In my view, people are not "insisting" that God is a "male humanoid"... I simply think that people use the "male humanoid" image to help wrap their minds around something that is quite overwhelming to understand... eh? People who are very 'religious' is what I am talking about. They speak about God as if they know "him" personally, and talk to him. They say "God says this...blah blah blah etc..." and they state what God wants ...as if they know. They refer to "him" as male etc. Yes, they "insist" on these things. Try referring to God as IT or as SHE and see how they react. |
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My point is that some people INSIST that God is a humanoid supreme being and that is where they drop the ball. They just expect you to believe it. They offer no proof at all and they have no answers to practical logical questions that I have presented about this being. Where does he live? How did he create the world? What does he look like? If he is a man, does he have male organs? If he does, what does he do with them? Does he eat food? Does he go to the bathroom? Does he have a wife or Mate or does he just like virgins? Don't tell me that God is a male supreme being who looks like a human if you can't think of him in that respect and answer a few questions. (and saying "I don't know" does not cut it.) Of course you "don't know"...but have you ever even thought about these things? If not, why not? Why don't people ask questions? Aren't you curious? Or are you just too terrified to question the awesome authority that spins these stories? People are always saying "God said this and God said that, and God demands this or that..." How the hell do they know? And who do they think they are kidding? In my view, people are not "insisting" that God is a "male humanoid"... I simply think that people use the "male humanoid" image to help wrap their minds around something that is quite overwhelming to understand... eh? People who are very 'religious' is what I am talking about. They speak about God as if they know "him" personally, and talk to him. They say "God says this...blah blah blah etc..." and they state what God wants ...as if they know. They refer to "him" as male etc. Yes, they "insist" on these things. Try referring to God as IT or as SHE and see how they react. We have to belive that there is something else, something more than just our inevitable deaths. Christianity as with just about every other religion in the world is a branch off from a former religion, just making it more accesible for that generation. I have studied biology extensively and nowhere in the human body is a soul. It is just a state of mind. As are peoples beliefs, why do you think that so many people are so intolerant if a bad word is said about their belief. Now when i studied zoology i also studied theology, to give me a more in depth view of evolution. I respect everyone and their beliefs and i believe that jesus did exist as a prophet. We get thousands of people these days who say they speak to god and mainly they are labelled as cranks. If jesus was born today he would be labelled the same. Now back to why God is portrayed as a male figure, it is simple, religions are created by men, usually to keep the populace in check. There is hardly any mention ,to note, of females in the bible, it is all males |
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People who say they 'don't question God' also probably don't question authority. Any authority. Ever since I was about 6 or 7 years old I wounder about this,why don't people ask question, they just take what ever there fed,and take it hole. Did any notice this (Lets get the message right.The Bible as it says said in Gen. chapter 1:26 and i quote "and God said,let Us make man in our image,after Our likeness),- let (((( Us ))))) make man? I wounder, who is us? I'am sure glad it's quote or religion would say I jusk made it up, the us part. |
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I think the "us" is a group of advanced beings, perhaps aliens.
Religious people try to say that it is the trinity... father, son, holy spirit. That does not make sense at all. |
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I think the "us" is a group of advanced beings, perhaps aliens. Religious people try to say that it is the trinity... father, son, holy spirit. That does not make sense at all. You are right no Trinity. 666 is the number of man and thier are 3 of them huh. You do make me laugh. Thanks for that we all need more of it.. Blessings...Miles |
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This is from youtube (George Carlin - Religion is ********) In the bull **** department, a businessman can't hold a candle to a clergymen, cause I got to tell you the truth folks, when it comes to bull ****, big time major league bull ****, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion, no contest. Religion easily has the greatest bull **** story ever told, think about it, religion has actually convinced people that there is an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do every minute of every day, and this invisible man has a special list of 10 things he does not want to to do, and if you do any of these 10 things, he has a special place full of fire, smoke, burning, full of torture, angwish, that he will send you to live, and suffer, and burn, and choke, and scream, and cry, forever and ever on untill the end of time. But he loves you?????? and he needs money, he always needs money, he is all perfect all knowing all wise, but somehow just can't handle money. Religion takes in billions of dollars, and pay no taxes, and they always need a little more, now you talk about a good bull **** story, holy ****!!!!! But I want you to know something, and this is sincere I really try to believe in God, I really really try to believe there is a God who created us in his likeness and image, loves us very much and keeps a close eye on everything, but I got tell Ya, the longer you live the more you realize, that something is F----UP, something is wrong here, war, disease, destruction, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption and the Ice Capades, this is not good work, if this is the best work God can do I'm not impressed, results like these do not belong on a resume of a supreme being, this is something you would expect from an office temp with a bad attitude, just between you and me in any decently run universe this guy would be out on his all powerful *** a long time ago, and by the way I say this guy, I firmly believe that looking at these results, that God has to be a man because no woman could or would ever F---- things up this bad! If there is a God most reasonable people might agree that he is at least incompetent, and maybe just maybe doesn't give a ****! So I decided to look around for something else to worship, something I could really count on, so I immediately thought of the sun, happened like that, overnight I become a son were worship, well not overnight can't see the sun at night, but first thing in the morning, several reasons, first of all I can see the sun, unlike some other gods mentioned, you can actually see the sun, I am kind of big on that, I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility, so every day I can see the sun, it gives me everything I need, heat, light, food, flowers in the park, reflections on the lake, and ocational skin cancer, but hey, at least there's no crucifixions, and were not setten people on fire because they don't agree with us, sun worship is fairly simple, no mystery no miracles no pagintry, it doesn't ask for money, no songs to learn, and there is mo special building to gather in to compare clothing! The best thing about the sun is and never tells me I'm unworthy, or that I'm a bad person that need to be saved, and has never said an unkind word and treats me fine. There is if you care to look!? eckani
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I dont question God. God is who he is, he is what he is. Of course you don't. You can't!! You don't know where "he" is or what "he" looks like. You would not know God if you bumped into "him," so how could you question "him?" You say that "God is who he is and what he is." Already you have made him into a male. If you believe that God made man in his own image, then you believe he is a humanoid. It is not God you don't question. It is the authority who has defined him to you as being a male humanoid supreme being. This you apparently accept but do not question. That's probably a good thing because the church authorities don't like to be questioned about the nature of God. They promote blind faith. They have never seen God either. God made he and she in his image. I dont believe this refers to any physicality. I think it is more about spiritual image and capablities. As Far as blind faith, I think everyone has it whether they chose to call it that or not. Most of what I learned in school about history,,I was not actually there to see, and I have no proof of, besides maybe documents that MEN have written (men I didnt see for myself). So, my point being, life takes a certain amount of Faith, blind faith if you will, in people, in documents, in words, etc,,,, I see the Heavenly Father as I do my own parents on earth. I believe he loves me unconditionally and has my best interest at heart. Because of this trust, I feel no desire or need to question him although I may have questions FOR him which I feel free to ask Him directly. I think I see Him as HE because he has the fatherly role of authority. Biblically speaking, men were chosen to lead, not because women are inferior or cant but because they were busy with other things. I think that model just makes sense and is why I call him HE. |
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