Too bad you have no pride in your state

hey...oh no wait...you guys can have state pride....we can't and that is POPPYCOCK

see fanta??? i can come up with good sources. i have ben saying i'm up in the air about it

Let them try!

They could, like SC to begin the civil war, attack Union forces at one of their military bases within the State.

They could start here,

FORT HOOD, TEXAS The Army operates one of the largest and most diverse military posts worldwide right here in Central Texas. Fort Hood has more than 52,000 Soldiers currently assigned and 100,000 family members (18,300 on post and 81,700 off post).

One out of every 10 active duty Soldiers in the Army is assigned to Fort Hood
Fort Hood is ranked No. 1 among the Army’s 97 installations in terms of “future” capability
Fort Hood’s economic impact last year is estimated at $10.9 billion statewide
Fort Hood also distinguishes itself as the largest single local location employer in the State of Texas – with more than 12,000 civilian employees and contractors working here.


http://usmilitary.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.hood.army.mil/

Yeah!!!!
Good Luck with that!

wow my spelling is off tonight i have my nerf gun...let's lock and load

You're assuming everyone on that base would be against the break off. I haven't done any personal interviews. Have you?

That's the US Army!
They wont fight against the Union!

Besides,
Fort Hood’s economic impact last year is estimated at $10.9 billion statewide
Fort Hood also distinguishes itself as the largest single local location employer in the State of Texas – with more than 12,000 civilian employees and contractors working here.



The Texas economy would soon crumble!

I think you are grossly wrong if you think none of them will side with the state they live in. I don't know what kind of percentage of them might go which way and unless someone has done some interviews on the subject I seriously doubt any one could even make a remotely accurate guess.



My personal opinion is that it would be devastating to both economies. Still don't think it would stop anything.

How rude!

I must say that as a citizen of my nation I am quiet aware what is going on in Europe. I also mentioned that Germany is in a recession, but not as bad as the United States or alot of neighboring European Nation countries.

The main recession Germany is suffering is that it is not selling as much on its exports as they use to because of the world recession.

Concerning the deficit you have to remember Germany didn't spend trillions of dollars for a war, they had a surplus, but used it up to help stimulate weaker European Econonomies, which was a difficult decision the government made at the time, and also used some stimulus packages to help stabilize some of their corporations that are facing problems.

Again, Germany did slide into a recession a year ago and it is predicted that they will stay like that for at least one more year.

Overall, most Germans have jobs, with good wages, and benefits. Is there unemployment yes, does the country have some internal problems, yes they do, but every country does. Some more then others.

The fact is that Germany is and will continue to be the engine of the EU's real economy. Not the financial centres such as the City of London. It is in Germany's direct interest that its neighbours, including the relatively poorer east Europeans, pull through the crisis with as little damage to themselves as possible, dependent as they are on exports to the rest of Europe, in particular Germany itself, as well as being major markets for German products.

Understandbly the Germans are upset at the profligacy of the Greeks, Italians, Irish and Spanish and Portuguese who have taken full advantage of the low interest rates of the EURO to continue with populist economic policies. The UK basket case is another matter altogether.

Ironically, with the exception of Latvia and Hungary, the rest of the Eastern EU, in particular Czech Rep, Slovakia, Slovenia and Poland,seems to be following the German role model, their finances being in much better shape than those of southern Europe, with much lower borrowing needs and allocated EU monies being well spent on infrastructure improvement rather than on hand-outs to the electorates.

Therefore, I think the Germans will handle matters on a case by case basis, rewarding, in their own interest, the sensible and careful and ostracising the profligate.

In recent Newsweek article, German finance minister Peer Steinbrück criticized the recent stimulus measures proposed by UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown, remarking, "The switch from decades of supply-side politics all the way to a crass Keynesianism is breathtaking."
Brown wasn't pleased. But no one took the barb more personally than the self-appointed champion of Keynesianism, the Nobel laureate Paul Krugman. He mocked German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who has steadfastly refused extra stimulus measures proposed by the EU, as "Frau Nein." He derided German leadership as "conservative politicians, clinging to an out-of-date ideology," a wishful characterization since Steinbrück is a card-carry member of the Social Democratic Party.

Most of the EU shares Krugman's disdain, even though it seems that the Germans are being quite Keynesian. Merkel agreed to the EU's 200 billion-euro stimulus package and passed a 32 billion-euro stimulus in Germany, with plans to consider another 30 billion plan in January, after Obama takes office.

The sticking point is that Germany, which ran a (balanced budget last year and is in surplus this year), has refused further measures, especially tax cuts modeled after the UK's 2.5% cut of the value added tax (VAT). Steinbrück panned the British VAT cut, saying the only effect would be to raise Britain’s debt to “a level that will take a whole generation to work off.”

THE REASON GERMANY has parted ways with the rest of the EU and the U.S. on this issue is that Germany has practiced sensible fiscal policies over the past few years. Steinbrück characterized Europe's attitude as "let's get the Germans to pay because they can," and he's almost certainly right.

The credit crunch would not have posed an insurmountable obstacle in Germany alone, where consumers and companies have savings and cash on hand. But since the Germans rely so heavily on exports, especially those of high-end cars, the lack of demand in other countries affected them as well.

With that in mind, Merkel and Steinbrück approved the 32 billion-euro stimulus package. But they draw the line at incurring excessive debt to placate their less responsible neighbors.

In the UK and elsewhere, the crisis came after years of housing bubbles and budget overruns. For the UK, deficit spending has a different meaning than it does in Germany. The UK's debt is set to double next year, and is trading at a higher price than McDonald's debt in the credit default swap market -- meaning the market thinks it is riskier.

Why should Germany also sacrifice its hard-won fiscal stability?

Krugman made the point that since the EU is highly integrated, an uncoordinated fiscal stimulus would be far less effective than a coordinated continent-wide measure. Any country unilaterally pursuing deficit spending would bankrupt itself when about 40% (the amount of GDP that EU countries spend on imports) of the spending benefited other countries.

For the rest of the EU, desperate for massive stimulus, the Germans' obstinacy reeks of nationalism. They must either abandon coordinated stimulus entirely or give Germany a free ride.

Nationalistic or not, it's a reasonable choice for Germany. Jean-Claude Trichet, the president of the European Central Bank, warned the rest of the EU that fiscal indiscipline would not be tolerated for the sake of deficit spending.

Furthermore, the Financial Times reported, Trichet argued "that the European Union's 'stability and growth pact,' which sets rules on public deficits and debt, offered flexibility to countries with stronger finances.…Mr. Trichet’s comments on the need for fiscal discipline could offer some comfort to Berlin…"

So the rest of Europe, suffering because of its lack of prudence and restraint, lashes out at Merkel for maintaining hers. Apparently Germany is not free to maintain sanity when the rest of the EU, panicked, resorts to Keynesianism.

BARACK OBAMA AND incoming Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner should take note. Massive deficit spending is the province of desperate European leaders, and not something to be countenanced merely because Paul Krugman and Gordon Brown demand it.

The U.S. stumbled into the crisis in similar fiscal condition to the UK's. Now Obama is weighing a public spending plan that would add $1 trillion to the deficit, in a reprise of FDR's New Deal. Profligate spending didn't work in the '30s, it led to crippling inflation in the '60s, and it should not be on the table today.

The lesson from Merkel and Steinbrück is clear: with a little backbone Obama wouldn't need to add $1 trillion to the deficit. What are the odds he'll listen?

I have been to your great country smiles.
2 and a half years!

Obviously you did not read the article I linked.

Obviously you did not get the memo of the German economy's retreat on the world stage.
Just a few years ago they had the worlds third largest economy. Now they are ranked 5th!

Oh!
No! The US Military is trained to have discipline and the forces we have are 100% Voluntary!
They are the most Patriotic of all Americans and very loyal!

Union forces did not turn against the Union at Ft Sumter in 1861 when 11 states attempted to secede and I have no doubt that they would be just as loyal today!
Besides, those troops are Americans from all 50 states not Texans!

If they did we still have sufficient troop strength to defeat them stationed in other states!

The Texas economy would be decimated without the Union!
They rank third highest of States in Fed aid received each year!

They balance their budget because it is Texas law to do so, but they do so by cutting spending on existing programs.
This year they must balance their budget with a 10 billion dollar shortfall from last year!

LOL, sorry but I think that is incredibly foolish thinking. Please don't miss understand, I agree about our military being very patriotic. But it's made up of humans with and they are far more complicated than that. The discussion here alone should be reason enough to know how divided people can be on the issue. To think that every last one of them will fall in line and not a single one would be willing to defect to their state seems blind." Heck they can't even keep all of them with out that kind of issue in the way. Remember also that I have said repeatedly that I don't believe it would happen tomorrow, it's going to take things getting much worse. Which is all anyone one has said including the one starting all this hoopla. Wasn't it you who has spoken of Tx pride and such? But none of them will switch allegiance? Get real.



It's not 1861 any more and the situation is not the same. And we are talking a LOT more people now. As the numbers grow the likelihood that some of them would not stay goes up exponentially. Also Again, we are talking about people who by the time it would happen would be far more disgruntled.



Defeat, possibly, still doesn't mean it won't happen. And it doesn't mean we won't be facing the same problem in other states. When it gets bad enough for this to happen it's going to be a problem all over.

A few might commit treason, but they would not be a factor. They would be arrested and disciplined first by their units and by the US Army!
History shows there would be no problem.

American soldiers defend the Constitution and the sovereign integrity of the Union.
The Constitution says no state can secede from the Union!

There is nothing in our history to compare it what's happening. People, including service men, are becoming more and more disgruntled with the fed gov trampling the constitution. It's showing in our armed services even now.



The constitution says a lot of things that are being ignored. What of it?

Again I will remind you I never said I believed secession would be successful not, for texas or any other state for that matter. But I still believe that if things don't change it will come.

Oh yes there is!
The civil war. Only on a far larger scale!

How many Fed troops were willing to commit treason during the Civil War?
Entire units, not a few individuals?

I don't know about the military so I'm just watching and sayng POPPYCOCK