fanta....don't ask me. i know my limits of brain power and can admit it

On Texas:


United by force? Is that a freedom, to be forcefully united?
One can not leave? Have no legal authority to leave? "be a grave mistake for Texas if they were to try..."?
It would also go against American ideology?

Fanta, what America ideology are you describing here? Fascism?

I though the American ideology is freedom and self-determination, independence and self-reliance.



On Republican party:



Yes, of course, I agree, the republican party had positioned itself against the interest of America and Americans. Today, it is a fascist party.

Are you saying that it is time to do away with both the republican and the democratic parties though? Because, these two are one party in a disguise of two separate ones. Their goal is a complete destruction of America.

To destroy one of them is to affect the other.

But, if you want to remove one to elevate the other, then you're only helping them to achieve their anti-american goals.

we have Lockheed and Bell here too. and shepard AF and the old Carwell.

I cant find any info beyond 2005 for fed aid recieved versus paid Rose1

In 2005 Texans paid .94 for every 1 dollar paid!
In 2005 SC wasnt first either. Not even in the top 10.

N Mexico- and Miss were both recieved over 2 dollars for every 1 paid!


I'll look later for more up to date info.
I was getting SC's from a radio program I heard one day!

did you see my idea about no federal taxes???? not sure how well it would work though...but at least I tried to come up with something other then give ME your money lol

What is the name of this country?
The United States?????
No state has a right to secede. That includes Texas!
No one forced anyone to join the Union and sign the conditions which hold them to the Union!

In fact Texas requested that privilege several time. Being rejected before finally be allowed. Even then they just made it by a vote in Congress, 27- for, 25- against Annexation!




No not both! At least not at the present moment.
Just the Republican Party and not through any policy, but the Republican Party is corrupt to the core and more concerned with retaining power than America!
They are anti-American and Pro-Republican Party!
They need to go!

The Dem party isnt organized enough to be a danger, and they dont vote as a block with every member standing to block every bill presented in Congress!
They are not standing in the way of recovery, and they are not radicalizing the fringe extremists with anti-Obama propaganda.

I, myself, will never vote for a Republican again!
They need to decline as a sufficient voice in American politics!
Bring on the Libertarian, Green, or Constitution party!

"I myself am not a member of an organized political party. I am a Democrat"

-Will Rogers

I don't like either party. i am for the people and the constitution that our founding fathers fought for and our current, past and present service men/women fought for

That's quite a vision of freedom, Fanta.

You're free to do whatever you want to do, except what you're not allowed to do, and no, you can't leave!

i'll say this again

can anyone give me feed back on this????

That's was the conditions when the signed!
Its a contract in which the States are guaranteed state sovereignty!
If they didnt like it they should not have signed.
In the case of Texas.
They practically begged to join!

It doesn't matter if they begged on not. Spare us the rhetorics.

No union is free is one is not allowed to leave, and that is the main point.

You're either acknowledge that this isn't a free country, or you acknowledge that one has a freedom of self-determination.

I'd take my chances with secession way above accepting the ObamaNation

Rose, never, ever, sell yourself short. 6th sense, gut instinct, common sense is much more preferable and reliable than internet info.
It'll keep you safer to.

oh i have gut feelings hun...almost a 6th sense ... i just don't always listen to it

I still would like feed back on this.

I don't know how it would all work out but I would THINK it would take the money away from the federal government and let the people have more of a direct say. example (and not looking for an argument) but like my taxes going for blueberries in GA. GA should pay for that with this idea. now as far as border patrol....all of the states would benefit and should contribute for the border states service. as well as refugees from other states that the other states help when they come here for help.

but maybe this would stop other states from complaining about the money another state gets

I am a member of the Green Party in Germany for many years and even participated in hall meetings when I had the chance voting on certain laws that many found important at the time when needed for the people.

Here in the States, I just see two parties taking turns running the country. In the end, I also see that the country is very divided on many issues and astonishes me how they can still be of one country working together at times.

I hope you guys work it out somehow because the world is watching and many really do want Americans to succeed in its turbulent times.

Not saying the idea isn't without merit, but it'd be quite a bit more complicated than that. As I think was mentioned there are quite a few services provided by the feds. Trying to do those services on a state level would be costly because of the overhead needed. Over all it probably would cost more money for individual services even if they were out sourced to the feds but each state would then end up with the option to participate in a given program, create it's own or just do without. Interesting idea, just not sure how feasible it is.

I'm with you on that Kim