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Topic: Secession....view points please...
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Fri 04/17/09 10:27 PM

Has anyone besides me wondered why Bush chose Texas as a debarkation point for troops going to Iraq?

Does anyone but me realize how much Fed Tax money was funneled to the economy of Texas as a result of this?

Does anyone except me realize what would happen to the Texas economy if the US closed all the military posts in Texas?

Does anyone except me realize what would happen to the Texas economy if the US were to close all the NASA facilities in Texas?

Does anyone except me realize how ridiculous the talk of Texas seceding from the Union really is?


Yes, in fact I don't think people have individually thought this out. It's easy to get all excited about such a thing but rarely do people realize just what it would affect in the state of Texas as well as out. I didn't really want to get involved in this discussion but yes you are not the only one that has realized so much would be involved. What some want doesn't just affect those that want it.

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Fri 04/17/09 10:40 PM



Women had an equal voice in the affairs of the tribe. The Cherokee was a matriarchy.
They would trace their bloodlines throught the mothers family.

They couldn't marry within their own tribes, but to members of outside tribes.

Kat


You see I like that the Women had a equal voice. Very gooddrinker

This is cool;

Family kinship ties in the Cherokee tribe are determined by the mother's clan. Children are automatically members of the mother's clan at birth.

Each matrilineal clan was run by a council of grandmothers from that clan. The decisions and rulings of the Grandmothers were not to be questioned. The Clan Grandmothers of one clan joined with the Grandmothers of other clans when important decisions needed to be made for the whole village.

If an individual broke the ancient Cherokee laws, they were brought before the appropriate Clan Grandmothers for judgement. The Clan Grandmothers were strict and would show no mercy to those who had committed serious breaches of social conduct.

Because of this, Cherokee children are taught not only to respect their male elders, but also to show extreme reverence and respect to the Grandmothers. Even today, Clan Grandmothers are highly respected, obeyed, and honored.

There have been seven Cherokee clans as long as the Cherokee people can remember. Some people think that the Ah-ni-ku-ta-ni (ancient Cherokee priesthood) comprised an eighth clan of the Cherokee People, but the Clan Grandmothers say this belief is a myth.

The Ah-ni-ku-ta-ni appointed a member of each of the seven clans to represent both the spiritual forces and the ritual of ceremonies related to the progression of the human spirit from birth until entry into the spirit world.

www.aaanativearts.com/cherokee/cherokee-clans.htm

Kat




I agree with this Kat, but it was only for matters such as child rearing and internal village matters!

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Fri 04/17/09 10:43 PM


Has anyone besides me wondered why Bush chose Texas as a debarkation point for troops going to Iraq?

Does anyone but me realize how much Fed Tax money was funneled to the economy of Texas as a result of this?

Does anyone except me realize what would happen to the Texas economy if the US closed all the military posts in Texas?

Does anyone except me realize what would happen to the Texas economy if the US were to close all the NASA facilities in Texas?

Does anyone except me realize how ridiculous the talk of Texas seceding from the Union really is?


Yes, in fact I don't think people have individually thought this out. It's easy to get all excited about such a thing but rarely do people realize just what it would affect in the state of Texas as well as out. I didn't really want to get involved in this discussion but yes you are not the only one that has realized so much would be involved. What some want doesn't just affect those that want it.


Texans have been Republican for far too long.
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Fri 04/17/09 10:58 PM



Has anyone besides me wondered why Bush chose Texas as a debarkation point for troops going to Iraq?

Does anyone but me realize how much Fed Tax money was funneled to the economy of Texas as a result of this?

Does anyone except me realize what would happen to the Texas economy if the US closed all the military posts in Texas?

Does anyone except me realize what would happen to the Texas economy if the US were to close all the NASA facilities in Texas?

Does anyone except me realize how ridiculous the talk of Texas seceding from the Union really is?


Yes, in fact I don't think people have individually thought this out. It's easy to get all excited about such a thing but rarely do people realize just what it would affect in the state of Texas as well as out. I didn't really want to get involved in this discussion but yes you are not the only one that has realized so much would be involved. What some want doesn't just affect those that want it.


Texans have been Republican for far too long.
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Well I could be wrong but I see it as a pride thing, and pride can be pretty obnoxious at times.

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Sat 04/18/09 05:36 AM
Edited by smiless on Sat 04/18/09 05:39 AM

We had almost unlimited European immigration during the Industrial Revolution because we needed skilled laborers! They came legally and the numbers were restricted when the country's population became larger than there was work available.

The Europeans obey the immigration laws.
Most of those coming from the South do so illegally and many simply sneak across the border through the desert. Some come on a visitation visa to see family and never leave!

Europe is suffering more from the recession than America and the cost of living is much higher, but they are unable to just walk across our border in the large illegal numbers the Latinos do!


Well as a German, my country isn't suffering from the recession as much as you think. We don't have a huge deficit and actually the US owes us money now.

On top of it we are one of the few countries that has stablized our budget.

Unemployment is only a little high for we had to find work for the East Germans at one time, but we are tackling that issue.

We don't sell as much of our products like we use to because other countries are suffering recession alot, but we are doing alot better then most countries.

I am in constant contact with my family and friends over there and we aren't suffering that bad.

Most Germans like to visit America today, but most wouldn't want to live in the country just for the fact that health care and education costs alot of money where we believe that in our country everyone is entitled to these necessary needs.

Also we have many programs that take care of the people that I don't see in the US.

Now in the 17 all the way to the early 1900's this was a different case, but not anymore.

Having been to an immigration office where foreigners get their US citizenship, 90% are from Latin America, and barely 1% are from Europe, which includes no Germans, Austrians, or Switzerland.

Miami is a big port for foreigners starting over by the way, especially for spanish speakers and Haitians.

I must also in defense to Spanish Speakers say that many truly try to assimilate to the country trying to learn the English language and obey the Laws. It would be unfair to say (MOST) come over here to take advantage of the country. I disagree with that.

Afterall, many are truly hard workers compared to many Americans today.

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Sat 04/18/09 07:05 AM
I gotta admit...this actually turned out to be a pretty good discussion with many different, well spoken view points. Thanks kids!

Lynann's photo
Sat 04/18/09 08:48 AM
Perry is playing you all like a fiddle.


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Sat 04/18/09 09:24 AM
Thanks Mom. With all these experts around..no real point in having my own thoughts...so...how exactly should I think and live my life so I may suit your sensibilities? I will be the first to admit that I don't know everything....I am simply amazed at the number of people around here who DO know everything...must be nice.

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Sat 04/18/09 09:37 AM
I think it might be a good idea for Texas to leave us in peace. For one thing we would get better public school textbooks that don't have to alter science so as not to offend all those crazy creation lovers.

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Sat 04/18/09 09:38 AM

I think it might be a good idea for Texas to leave us in peace. For one thing we would get better public school textbooks that don't have to alter science so as not to offend all those crazy creation lovers.


laugh how is that Texas' fault?

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Sat 04/18/09 09:43 AM
Not all of Texas is bad, they have the Houston SPCA which i watch on Animal Planet drinker

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Sat 04/18/09 10:09 AM

I think it might be a good idea for Texas to leave us in peace. For one thing we would get better public school textbooks that don't have to alter science so as not to offend all those crazy creation lovers.


Text book selection is not made on a federal basis it's made state by state and county by county, so wtf are you talking about?

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Sat 04/18/09 10:11 AM


I think it might be a good idea for Texas to leave us in peace. For one thing we would get better public school textbooks that don't have to alter science so as not to offend all those crazy creation lovers.


laugh how is that Texas' fault?


Well ya see Rose the frazelstat makes all the people gerpumeltunked so if texas would just gaberplate and succeed then everything would be plazerstat.

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Sat 04/18/09 10:14 AM
rofl ty for clearing that up davey rofl

now why wasn't that explained that way to begin with rofl

gotta love how Texas is blamed for everything...like other states have no say or don't have their own issues as well

damnitscloudy's photo
Sat 04/18/09 10:15 AM
I always blame California laugh

yellowrose10's photo
Sat 04/18/09 10:16 AM

I always blame California laugh


that's only because that's where davey lives laugh

yellowrose10's photo
Sat 04/18/09 10:18 AM
as for Texas pride...I can see how others might get annoyed by it....but it's something I can't explain. I am proud to be a texan and proud to be an american

DaveyB's photo
Sat 04/18/09 11:23 AM

as for Texas pride...I can see how others might get annoyed by it....but it's something I can't explain. I am proud to be a texan and proud to be an american


And well you should be, I'm proud to be a Californian... even if we do keep electing actors laugh

DaveyB's photo
Sat 04/18/09 11:27 AM

I always blame California laugh


noway noway
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yellowrose10's photo
Sat 04/18/09 11:28 AM


as for Texas pride...I can see how others might get annoyed by it....but it's something I can't explain. I am proud to be a texan and proud to be an american


And well you should be, I'm proud to be a Californian... even if we do keep electing actors laugh


laugh no state is perfect

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